Beneteau speaker covers

LAc11e

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Aug 21, 2013
3
Beneteau Oceanis Sydney
Hello,
I have an Oceanis 34, and within 2 outings, peoples feet have broken the speaker covers, we then got these replaced after 2 years, but now its going to happen again, Does any one have any suggestions like another external cover?, see the photos. Otherwsie i just replace ever few years! Im sure others have had this issue,
Thanks for your help
 

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DougM

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Jul 24, 2005
2,242
Beneteau 323 Manistee, MI
Any round speaker grille for that speaker diameter should fit. Unfortunately, they will probably all be plastic. no need to pay "marine" prices... Then either buy spares, find less clumsy crew, or eliminate the speakers from the cockpit. It's a boat, not a concert hall.
 
May 25, 2012
46
Beneteau B393 Norfolk
Any round speaker grille for that speaker diameter should fit. Unfortunately, they will probably all be plastic. no need to pay "marine" prices... Then either buy spares, find less clumsy crew, or eliminate the speakers from the cockpit. It's a boat, not a concert hall.
Ah, come on Doug! Maybe they have a party barge not a slick racing sloop! Cut 'em some slack! I vote for mounting a thick wire cage over the speaker cover so they stub their toes! On a more serious note, I have no idea what the best solution is, I just hope I don't go kicking mine in now! -BCD
 
Jan 28, 2014
5
Beneteau Oceanis 34 Auckland
Another question on speaker covers

I suffered with the same issue, teenagers with size 13 feet doesn't help. Living in New Zealand we're a bit isolated from a decent source of spare parts, does anyone know the actual make/model of these speakers so I don't have to enlarge the holes to retrofit alternative speakers please??
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
I just knew someone would ask this question, so it's good that I keep my (PartsExpress.Com) catalog at my elbow. P153 for several choices.
 
Dec 11, 2008
1,338
catalina C27 stillwater
The issue you are dealing with is unfortunately a speaker product supplied by a lowest-cost provider to the boat manufacturer, combined with a mounting location that facilitates ease of manufacturing. Apparently it is also prone to physical damage by guests and flying objects.

That is what is best called an entry-level generic loudspeaker, made for sale to the marine environment but not made for the marine environment. Note the color change that took place between what we can assume are the before and after pictures? You see the yellowing that UV has caused; what you also see indirectly is the brittleness that the UV caused. The brand new speaker probably had grills that were more flexible, but they became brittle over a very short term that the grills also turned yellow.

I assume by your comments that these are probably smaller speakers in the 4" to 5" range? Most of tthe high-quality speakers available are larger, in what we would call a 6" or 6.5" size. By high quality, I am implying rugged grills that will stand up to kicking, made in a materail that is UV stable and don't yellow or get brittle over time. I will also tell you that real high-quality marine speakers are going to cost at least $100.00 a set and many are in the $149 - $199 a pair price range. If those speakers in the picutrre are roughly 4" in size, I know of a new high quality 4" speaker that will be available in March. If your current speakers are roughly 5" in size, I don't know of a good speaker replacement at this time.

Your comments about foot traffic damaging them in two outings tells me that your primary speaker location is as much an issue as speaker selection. Move or remove the speakers and the damage in the current speaker location will simply go away. Let me explain: Based in some threads elsewhere in the SBO forums, I would probably first recommend a novel approach a few have used with great success. Take a look at tactile transducers. A tactile transducer is sort of like a speaker without the cone or the grill; it is a device you can attach directly to your fiberglass, inside the boat, that turns the surface you mount it to into a loudspeaker. A common location to use is the vertiucal wall that is adjacent to your calves when seated in the cockpit. Parts Express is a common provider of these and I have provided a link to the probable page wher you would select one from. The units shown are all 8-ohm transducers, which will allow you to use two transdures on each side of the cockpit.
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/ta...eca:matches(.,"P_Searchable","1")]&PortalID=1

Here is a thread where TED, a C&C owner, went down this path and installed a set of the HiWave model HIAX32C20-8 transducres in his boat. http://www.parts-express.com/hiwave-hiax32c20-8-32mm-self-supported-exciter-8-ohm--297-2114 If you scroll through the thread you will find pics of his installation and a YouTube video as proof of performance.

In order to address the holes that are already in the boat where your current speakers are, I might consider purchasing two screw-in inspection ports to permanently cover and seal these two speaker holes.


Without turning this into an ad, know I work for a mobile electronics company. I am the product line manager for marine products and the salesman to the OEM marine markets... I probably have a speaker that would replace the ones you have currently that would last longer. That being said I am a firm believer in the tactile transducer approach, especially in a sailboat. It is for that reason that I write so thoroughly about the tactile transducer option first.
Phil
 
Dec 11, 2008
1,338
catalina C27 stillwater
Bilbe64-

Sorry for my long, (still relevant post) I had to read through to sort out that you are the recent poster looking for an answer. I have my sources and will dig on that for you, but I do not know at the moment what that speaker is. I will let you know what I find, if I find anything. Know that the particular speaker in question has an integral grill. If you look closely you can see a circular feature inside of the screw holes. That is where the actual grill is glued in place. this type of speaker does not have replaceable grills, so you are looking at replacing the entire speaker to repair that damage.

Ron, I will recommend against the parts express grills. Those are stamped perf steel; they will look bad in short order and will stain gelcoat permanently...
 
Jan 28, 2014
5
Beneteau Oceanis 34 Auckland
The issue you are dealing with is unfortunately a speaker product supplied by a lowest-cost provider to the boat manufacturer, combined with a mounting location that facilitates ease of manufacturing. Apparently it is also prone to physical damage by guests and flying objects.

That is what is best called an entry-level generic loudspeaker, made for sale to the marine environment but not made for the marine environment. Note the color change that took place between what we can assume are the before and after pictures? You see the yellowing that UV has caused; what you also see indirectly is the brittleness that the UV caused. The brand new speaker probably had grills that were more flexible, but they became brittle over a very short term that the grills also turned yellow.

I assume by your comments that these are probably smaller speakers in the 4" to 5" range? Most of tthe high-quality speakers available are larger, in what we would call a 6" or 6.5" size. By high quality, I am implying rugged grills that will stand up to kicking, made in a materail that is UV stable and don't yellow or get brittle over time. I will also tell you that real high-quality marine speakers are going to cost at least $100.00 a set and many are in the $149 - $199 a pair price range. If those speakers in the picutrre are roughly 4" in size, I know of a new high quality 4" speaker that will be available in March. If your current speakers are roughly 5" in size, I don't know of a good speaker replacement at this time.

Your comments about foot traffic damaging them in two outings tells me that your primary speaker location is as much an issue as speaker selection. Move or remove the speakers and the damage in the current speaker location will simply go away. Let me explain: Based in some threads elsewhere in the SBO forums, I would probably first recommend a novel approach a few have used with great success. Take a look at tactile transducers. A tactile transducer is sort of like a speaker without the cone or the grill; it is a device you can attach directly to your fiberglass, inside the boat, that turns the surface you mount it to into a loudspeaker. A common location to use is the vertiucal wall that is adjacent to your calves when seated in the cockpit. Parts Express is a common provider of these and I have provided a link to the probable page wher you would select one from. The units shown are all 8-ohm transducers, which will allow you to use two transdures on each side of the cockpit.
http://www.parts-express.com/cat/ta...eca:matches(.,"P_Searchable","1")]&PortalID=1

Here is a thread where TED, a C&C owner, went down this path and installed a set of the HiWave model HIAX32C20-8 transducres in his boat. http://www.parts-express.com/hiwave-hiax32c20-8-32mm-self-supported-exciter-8-ohm--297-2114 If you scroll through the thread you will find pics of his installation and a YouTube video as proof of performance.

In order to address the holes that are already in the boat where your current speakers are, I might consider purchasing two screw-in inspection ports to permanently cover and seal these two speaker holes.


Without turning this into an ad, know I work for a mobile electronics company. I am the product line manager for marine products and the salesman to the OEM marine markets... I probably have a speaker that would replace the ones you have currently that would last longer. That being said I am a firm believer in the tactile transducer approach, especially in a sailboat. It is for that reason that I write so thoroughly about the tactile transducer option first.
Phil
Many thanks for the reply Phil. I think my speakers are classed as 6" and the cut-out is around 115mm diam, standard size marine speakers seem to require a cut out of around 125mm and are deeper meaning the internal cover needs modifying. Mine are identical to the ones pictured above.
I'm not keen to blank these holes and prefer to retrofit a better quality speaker even if it means a bit of labour to make good

If only the tactile transducers were fitted from new!!

The other complication for me is living in New Zealand (I need to re-word that statement?!?!?!). Beneteau parts are not easy to source despite the boat being quite popular.
 
Jul 8, 2005
522
Jeanneau 389 Grosse Pointe Farms, MI
Hello,
I have an Oceanis 34, and within 2 outings, peoples feet have broken the speaker covers, we then got these replaced after 2 years, but now its going to happen again, Does any one have any suggestions like another external cover?, see the photos. Otherwsie i just replace ever few years! Im sure others have had this issue,
Thanks for your help
On our 321, we replaced the speakers with:

Fusion MS-FR4021 Marine 2-Way Full Range Speakers, 120W, Pair
About $70 for a pair at Amazon.

Speaker covers seem much stronger than the old speakers.
Sound great.
 
Jan 28, 2014
5
Beneteau Oceanis 34 Auckland
Great thanks, the Fusion 4" are too small but the 6" model looks good with a bit of "trimming". Ordered these today.
 
Dec 11, 2008
1,338
catalina C27 stillwater
The best way I know to trim speaklr holes larger is by using two hole saws. I know, lots of folks don't have them, but...

If you have a set of hole saws, select the one that fits your current hole. Then select another one that fits your new speaker's hole-size. Gang-mount the saws with the smaller hole saw inside the larger one.

The small hole saw centers your hole-sawing apparatus and assures you that you will get a concentric hole cut for the new larger speakers.

FYI
 
Jan 28, 2014
5
Beneteau Oceanis 34 Auckland
Was just wondering how to tackle the next stage, will have a look but as I'm only enlarging the hole by 10mm this method may be tricky. Thanks
 

MI248

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Sep 17, 2013
14
Beneteau 40 CHS
Ran into the same problem with my B40. After wasting a lot of time looking for replacement grills I ended up ordered a pair of new Poly Planer speakers from Defender and swapped them out. I'll be curious to hear if your fusion grills last longer.
 
Jul 8, 2005
522
Jeanneau 389 Grosse Pointe Farms, MI
Ran into the same problem with my B40. After wasting a lot of time looking for replacement grills I ended up ordered a pair of new Poly Planer speakers from Defender and swapped them out. I'll be curious to hear if your fusion grills last longer.
MI248

The Fusion speaker covers are much stronger with thicker plastic than what was on the boat originally.

I am confident they will last very long. Very happy with them.
 
Oct 13, 2013
129
Beneteau 37 Oceanis Platinum Edition Seabrook, TX
You can make some covers out of Marine Plywood or teak if you can work with wood. If the speaker protrudes slightly just gasket the wood covers to fit over it. Makes a nice looking addition to the cockpit and just takes a little labor. No modification of the holes etc. No more kick outs.
 
Jan 30, 2014
7
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Auckland
The speakers on my Beneteau 37 packed up after a year. It's the sun in the southern hemisphere.. I replaced mine with 4" Fusions because I didn't want to make the holes bigger. The old screw holes got filled with gelcoat and the new mounting holes are pretty close to the edge of the hole, but it all works..
 
Jan 28, 2014
5
Beneteau Oceanis 34 Auckland
So ladies and gents I have the job complete. I installed Fusion 6" 200 speakers model MS-FR602. I had to enlarge existing holes by 10mm to15mm which was tricky until I applied jig saw with fine tooth blade which completed the task in a minute. One of the speakers had a cone sealing the rear to the fibreglass of the cockpit which was a tight fit for the new speakers as they are a bit deeper, but it's sealed for now. I will re-visit this with a 10mm spacer/packing during winter just to make it perfect.
The speakers themselves are so much more robust and I don't think I could break the covers if I wanted to, they also have spare speaker covers in black if required.
Will post pics when I find out where I put them. Hope this was of some help to someone in the same situation.
Thanks