Beginner at sailing - advice on boats?

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May 4, 2010
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None yet - looking looking VA/TN
Ive found 2 that seem good and in my range - what are your opinions:

Helsen 22 - only thing that is wrong is tip of keel is bent about a 1/2 inch and throttle is possibly locked on outboard...no idea the cost of these? It is priced right at 2000 with trailer

2nd is a 23 Oday - no trailer, but ready to sail priced at 1700
 
Jul 17, 2009
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Endeavour/Chrysler E-32/C-22 swimming pool
Piratenotions I have both a Chrysler C-22 and C-26 the 22 is what the 1st mate really learned to sail, she got the hang of it very quickly and she handles the C-26 like a pro ater 2nd time out.

Best of luck nothing wrong with a boat that needs TLC most comes from neglect.
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
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Pearson 323 . St. Mary's Georgia
You said you have a trailer. My trailer is a converted power boat trailer and better than most production sailboat trailers. Given those two choices I would get the one that is ready to sail. Any keel problems can be very bad. If there was a force great enough to bend the keel, there could be more damage.
 
May 4, 2010
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None yet - looking looking VA/TN
I had also got a reply back about a boat - called an Aquarius 23'. Boat is ready to sail and has trailer at 1700. Is that a good brand of boat?
 
Sep 21, 2006
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-Hunter 35.5 Washington, NC
I agree that I'd go with either the O'day or Hunter. Somebody mentioned the Catalina 22 and that's a real good boat that can probably be gotten in your price range. The West Wright Potters are super but you won't find one for $2K
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Pearson 26W Marblehead
$2000 boat

You wont get much for 2K uless your very lucky. A decent trailer and motor is worth more
than 2000 without the boat. I don`t mean to be redundant but parts, supplies and repairs on sailboats are very expensive they always have been. Go into a marine supply and look around. You will see small shackles costing $25 Better to pay more for a decent sailable boat in good repair. OH one more thing 25ft is to big to trailer on a regular basis. Its too much work to get the mast up.
 

Gary_H

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Nov 5, 2007
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Cal 2-25 Carolina Beach NC
Natually I think the Cal 25 is great, Beefy and roomy for a boat its size, big heavy fin keel very seaworthy and easy to sail but....I wouldn't want to trailer it. most ramps couldn't handle it and it would have to be put in the water using a hoist and sling. I agree that a boat in the range of around 19 to 22 ft with a swing keel would be your best bet.
 

Gary_H

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Nov 5, 2007
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Cal 2-25 Carolina Beach NC
If you get an larger, older boat be prepared to learn all about fiberglass repair, plumbing electrical wiring, carpentry, sealing, patching and puttying and things like rebuilding water pumps ect. Parts and labor on marine repairs can be expensive, if you are on a tight budget you will end up doing the repairs yourself. The up side of that though is that you will become intimately knowledgable about every aspect of your boat.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
We are considering buying a 17 foot....



....Venture for sailing at the smaller local lakes that are just too small for our Mac. We will definitely be keeping the Mac for longer trips :).



They seem to come up at under $2000 in nice condition and have a small cabin you could overnight in, be very easy to launch and have a weighted swing keel that should make them more stable than other boats in that size that only have a swing centerboard.

Here are a couple links....

http://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats99venture17.html

a factory brochure....

http://oday.sailboatowners.com/components/com_mtree/attachment.php?link_id=7679&cf_id=24

and also as others have said I'd keep an open mind about the Venture 22 that is also in that brochure as you can find them in the same under $2000 price range ...

http://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats99venture22.html

The Sailingtexas.com link is a great place to look at pictures of exteriors and interiors of about any boat you are interested in.

Here is a link to searching Craigs List nation wide and is how we found our boat, dinghy, dinghy outboard and the Suburban to tow the whole works...

http://boat.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/boat....fil=venture&state=&ps=&pe=&ys=&ye=&submit=+GO+

Take at least a couple weeks to research this, so you get a better understanding of the differences in the boats such as keel vs. center board, ease of launching, etc.. Some larger boats like our Mac are very easy, quick and a one person job to get the mast up and are easy to launch in shallow water and light on the trailer, but you won't find them in your price range.


Good luck,

Sum and Ruth

Our Trips to Lake Powell, UT - Kootenay Lake, Canada - Priest Lake, ID

Our Mac Pages

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zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
in this market for 2k ye can find all kinds of good boats---keep looking for the ones being liened by marinas..lol....
might want to sail on as many different kinds of boats as possible before ye spend money--goood luck
 

larryw

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Jun 9, 2004
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Beneteau OC400 Long Beach, CA
Learn to sail first, on a Lido 14 or something similar. Every hour spent on a smaller boat will save you multiple hours of frustration and anguish on a much larger boat you don't know how to handle, especially in a breeze. I can't tell you the number of people who bought a big sailboat, and were soon divorced.
 

MrUnix

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Mar 24, 2010
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Hunter 23 Gainesville, FL
We are considering buying a 17 foot....


The V17 is a great boat and we loved ours.. would probably still have it if it were not for hurricane Andrew. Found it abandoned at the Miami Yacht Club and purchased it for $500, complete with trailer, safety gear, 4 sails, porti-potty, VHF, bumpers, extra hardware and rigging. We did many week long or longer trips on it (crew of 2), lots of extended weekend trips (me, wife and 2 kids), and countless day sails with friends. Would highly recommend this boat as a first purchase to learn on as it is built tough, forgiving enough to keep you safe and easy to tow and launch.

Cheers,
Brad
 
May 4, 2010
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None yet - looking looking VA/TN
I like that 17 footer!

Here is what else I have found let me know the honest truth if this is good or not!

A FREE JA Helms Sailboat - it has a piece of fiberglass cracked around rub rail - maybe 1 inch long. It has no motor. But its free but I dont know anything at all about those boats

A 22 foot northstar - needs a battery and new main sail
 
Nov 23, 2009
17
Pearson 33 Mt Vernon, MD
Nobodies mentioned this yet but, when it comes to used boats and trailers, Make sure you can get them titled and tagged.
 
Jan 22, 2008
507
Catalina 310 278 Lyndeborough NH
During the past several years, I looked for and did purchase three sailboats for well under $2000. I purchased these all from eBay auctions (two were charity auctions). I did need to be patient and did my homework for the particular models. I am happy with my choices and do enjoy the work involved.

Boat #1 - 1983 O'Day 19 with trailer and outboard for $1600
This one needed to be cleaned, registered, then launched. It is very easy to rig, has a swing keel and can use a standard power boat trailer. I am keeping it for my thin-water sails. I like its simplicity for day sailing.

Boat #2 - 1988 Catalina Capri 22 wing keel and outboard for $1200 (no trailer)
Again, this one needed only to be cleaned, registered, then launched. I chose to remove the flaking antifouling bottom paint since I planned to trailer-sail. But without a trailer adjusted for the wing keel, I did not get it into the water last summer. It is ready to go into the water now.

Boat #3 - 1978 Cape Dory 25 for $1200
My wife liked the woodworking on this and told me to bid on it. Yes, sometimes it is important to obey ones wife! She liked the extra length, full keel, and mass (4000 pound weight) for going into the open water.

This boat did need much more work. The hull did have a serious case of blistering (after some serious sanding sessions, it is now ready for the sealer, then paint) and all of the hatches, portals, etc. were removed. Backstay was kinked and needed replacing. When the work is all done, the boat should be worth more than what we will initially put into it (note the word "initially").

Only you can answer the questions needed to be asked - HOW DO YOU INTEND TO USE THE BOAT? And what are you capable of doing for yourself?

Most people are really day sailors. Our O'Day 19 does have a cuddy cabin and can be used for weekending and "camping" - plus have some privacy for a portable toilet (required by at least one of us).

Trailering keeps costs down.

The O'Day (12" draft swing keel up, 1500 pounds) is so easy to trailer and setup and launch at most any ramp. I don't hesitate to go on a moments notice.

The Capri will need a deeper ramp (2' 8" draft, 2250 pounds) but I can raise the mast by myself without a gin pole or a-frame. Rigging takes a bit longer than the O'Day but I have not practiced on this boat as much.

The Cape Dory (3' draft, 4000 pounds) "can" be trailered, but would need a mechanical advantage or a gin pole or a-frame to raise the 100 pound mast. We have a slip for this year.

My choices fit my situation. Next year, I plan to have at least one boat less. We are still examining what works for us. It is possible to get a boat within your price range, but you may not get everything that you think you want in the first purchase.

John
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
.......Boat #1 - 1983 O'Day 19 with trailer and outboard for $1600
This one needed to be cleaned, registered, then launched. It is very easy to rig, has a swing keel and can use a standard power boat trailer. I am keeping it for my thin-water sails. I like its simplicity for day sailing..............John
John those O'Days....



...look like nice little boats. I have a question...I see they come in 19's and 2 + 2's. Which one do your have and is there much difference in them.

On the specs (2 +2) I see the ballast is 250 lbs w/130 lb swing keel. Is the total ballast 250 with 130 in the keel? Also the ballast that isn't in the keel is it just in the very bottom of the boat in some form? Is the ballast the same setup in the 'non 2 + 2'?

Thanks,

Sum

Our Trips to Lake Powell, UT - Kootenay Lake, Canada - Priest Lake, ID

Our Mac Pages

MacGregor/Venture Links
 
Jan 22, 2008
507
Catalina 310 278 Lyndeborough NH
The O'Day 19 and O'Day 192 are very similar and recognized by the reverse tilt in the transom (the vertical transom is found on the Mariner 19 and Rhodes 19 which BTW are still in production at Stuart Marine in Maine - nice photos of today's construction).

The 19 (525 built) is a full 19' long and 7' 9" wide. The cockpit area is longer so the cabin is shorter. The companionway top cover is removable - does not slide. Inside there is only a V-berth - no side berths. There is also no compression post although one may have been added (as it was in mine). The mast is about a foot taller with 165 square feet of sail but just under 30' from the waterline. The swing keel housing comes into the hull so less extends below the hull for a 12" draft. The 300 lbs. of ballast is concentrated in an approximately 6" deep fixed keel.

The 192 (? built, related to the 222) is 18' 7" long and 7' 1" wide. The cockpit is shorter so cabin is longer. The companionway cover slides. Inside there is more room for the v-berth and 2 side berths that extend under the cockpit. There is a compression post. The swing keel housing has been moved lower to the outside of the hull. This gives more floor space in the cabin but adds to the draft (1' 5") when the keel is up. But this allowed an additional 100 lbs. for a total of 400 lbs of ballast. The mast is about a foot shorter with 150 square feet of sail staying under 30' from the waterline.

www.iheartodays.com has much information. D&R Marine has most any part needed. If you don't see it on their website, just ask them.

The two models are similar, but with definite differences. The 192 has more sleeping space for weekend camping and the fixed portion of the keel extends down further so beaching is a little more difficult. Since we don't use the cabin for sleeping, we are very happy with our 19. I would be happy with either model or the Mariner.

John
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
The O'Day 19 and O'Day 192 are very similar and recognized by the reverse tilt in the transom (the vertical transom is found on the Mariner 19 and Rhodes 19 which BTW are still in production at Stuart Marine in Maine - nice photos of today's construction......John
Thanks John, that helped a lot. As I mentioned above we might be looking at a second smaller boat to use locally and we want it to be very easy/fast to launch and work well on a small lake. I doubt we would overnight on it as the lakes are only 10 minutes from the house and for longer trips on larger lakes we would take the Mac.

I like that Venture 17 and these boats are also going to go on the list,

Sum

Our Trips to Lake Powell, UT - Kootenay Lake, Canada - Priest Lake, ID

Our Mac Pages

MacGregor/Venture Links
 
Jan 22, 2008
328
Beneteau 46 Georgetown YB
A few years ago I found a Diller-Schwill 16 on Craiglist for $500 including a trailer. I sailed it for 2 seasons & sold it for $1,000. The guy who bought it from me later sold it for $1,500. You could probably find it for about $2k today. (LOL!)
 

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Oct 9, 2009
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Catalina 310 Havre De Grace
Nobody has mentioned a great line of small boats. I started on a Precision 23. they have a great website. The precisions are very stable and fun for a beginner. The 21 more likely to fit your budget. Just my thoughts, Mine (1995) which I sold 10 years ago is probably still out there.
 
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