BBQ grills and vibration

[Peggie Hall HeadMistress]

I don't TEEENK so...

I asked CW4 warrent officer Chad Wolfe USCG this morning at church concerning this. He said that technically it is a violation but he never heard of anybody getting a citation for it. So just don't get grumpy when the law enforcement gang comes by to chat.

Next time you see him, ask him for the citation in the CFR or USCG regs pertaining to the "discharge" of vegetable or animal fat. If that were "technically" or any other kind of violation, it would also be illegal for galley gray water that has any grease in it to go overboard.

Title 36 does prohibit the discharge of galley WASTE in lakes and rivers (I'd have to look it up to know whether it includes coastal waters too)...which make its illegal to toss chicken bones overboard, but not grease drippings from the grill while cooking the chicken, or oil in the skillet from frying it.

 

[Don S/V ILLusion]

Never disagree with a CG CWA -
The OPA defines oil as:
“oil” means oil of any kind or in any form, including petroleum, fuel oil, sludge, oil refuse, and oil mixed with wastes other than dredged spoil, but does not include any substance which is specifically listed or designated as a hazardous substance under subparagraphs (A) through (F) of section 101(14) of the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act (42 U.S.C. 9601) and which is subject to the provisions of that Act [42 U.S.C. 9601 et seq.]

 

[Peggie Hall HeadMistress]

I wanna see their definition of "oil"

And btw, what you quoted pertains to superfund cleanup and environmental hazards. Regs for non-commercial vessels--including oil and fuel spill liability--are spelled out very specifically and may differ from other circumstances. For instance, the definition of "sewage" from on-land sources and the definition of "sewage" from vessels is very different.

Any universal ban on "oil of any kind" going into the water would make the discharge of gray water from vessels illegal and even the wearing of suntan oil in the water or washing it off in shower water that goes overboard.

I've won quite a few argument with Coasties, btw.

 

[Don S/V ILLusion]

And btw, what you quoted pertains to superfund cleanup and environmental hazards. Regs for non-commercial vessels--including oil and fuel spill liability--are spelled out very specifically and may differ from other circumstances. For instance, the definition of "sewage" from on-land sources and the definition of "sewage" from vessels is very different.

Any universal ban on "oil of any kind" going into the water would make the discharge of gray water from vessels illegal and even the wearing of suntan oil in the water or washing it off in shower water that goes overboard.

I've won quite a few argument with Coasties, btw.

Hi Peggy
What I referenced is the definition of "oil".
Looks like we're getting way off topic but just to close this loop, what I quoted (I thought I was clear) was the definition of "oil" as defined in the Oil Pollution Act; it has nothing to do with CERCLA (the so-called Superfund statute).
The issue of commercial vs. non-commercial vessels is irrelevant as the statute makes no distinction in this regard with respect to inclusion of "oil" (there are other issues in which that distinction is relevant but not here).

 

[Stu Jackson]

Don, please don't stop. Good stuff, I wanna see the continuation of this. Although logic usually doesn't apply with the government, I think Pegiie has a good point, since if I drop bacon fat from my BBQ it'd be illegal, but if I drop into my sink and it goes out with the gray water, it's OK? Huh...

Inquiring minds, ya know!

 

[Ross]

Stu, I understand that if you pee in a can and dump it overboard it is a violation but if you make a direct deposit it is ok, but I have been wrong about other things too.

 

[Ctskip]

Can I tell you how many utensils I've dropped overboard along with the cheeseburger? I started out with a really nice set of tongs for flipping burgers, over they went. So I replaced them with another set . Three weeks go by and they decide to visit Davey Jones. I have replaced them with a cheap set this time and I've had them most all summer now. Go figures.

As for the animal fat verses oil situation. I think there is a difference. One is oil and the other is fat. Big difference I feel. One is natural and the other is refined

Keep it up,
Ctskip

 

[Don S/V ILLusion]

Stu/Ross
Since you asked.

Ross - the method of discharge doesn't matter. In law, it is illegal either way but implementation of the reg is a bit impracticable when you in the water.

Stu - I can't find an attachment which shows the CG Commandant Directive but it excludes animal and vegetable oil from civil penalty sanctions. My wife dropped a bottle of olive oil in the sink once which broke and the sheen spread throughout our fairway causing the marina folks to investigate. A good laugh was had by all.

 

[Peggie Hall HeadMistress]

I think the sticking point here is in the definition of "oil"...

Till I see some legalese that proves otherwise, I'm convinced that the OPA only refers to petrochemicals and other pollutants...not foodstuff.

Besides, how are bacon fat, chicken fat, rib eye drippings etc defined? Are they "oil" or just liquified animal fat? What about olive oil? Canola, sesame, corn, veggie oils? Are they classified as pollutants? (Ok, maybe a supertanker load of extra virgin would be).

Now I'm joining Stu...another inquiring mind that wants to know! :dance:

 

[Peggie Hall HeadMistress]

Your understanding is correct, Ross..

Stu, I understand that if you pee in a can and dump it overboard it is a violation but if you make a direct deposit it is ok, but I have been wrong about other things too.

 

[Don S/V ILLusion]

Till I see some legalese that proves otherwise, I'm convinced that the OPA only refers to petrochemicals and other pollutants...not foodstuff.

Besides, how are bacon fat, chicken fat, rib eye drippings etc defined? Are they "oil" or just liquified animal fat? What about olive oil? Canola, sesame, corn, veggie oils? Are they classified as pollutants? (Ok, maybe a supertanker load of extra virgin would be).

Now I'm joining Stu...another inquiring mind that wants to know! :dance:

Did you miss my last post Peggy? Let me know if you want a more definitive response.

 

[Peggie Hall HeadMistress]

Yes I missed your last post...

You and I were typing at the same time.

 

[druid]

OK, back to the Original Topic

Yes, I've lost my BBQ overboard. It was blowing 45 in Georgia Strait so we ducked into Howe Sound. There were HUGE williwaws coming down off Bowen Island. I had my genny pulled out so I could sail in the "mostly" wind of about 10 knots. BIG gust hit: I saw it coming and released the sheet. The whole boat shook from the slaking genoa, especially the lifelines and rails. Next thing I knew... PLOOP! Off goes the BBQ!

So yes, you can lose your BBQ overboard due to vibration. As for losing a steak - you guys BBQ while under way? Or have excessive vibration while at anchor? I do cook on the gimballed stove down below while under way, but not the BBQ.

druid

 

[Rick D]

I BBQ underway, but only while motoring. Usually, when doing overnighters, I fix chili and stew for dinner which can be eaten from bowls which I find much more accommodating when under sail. However, when motoring back from races, I do BBQ steaks or burgers or chicken. Helps break the boredom of those long trips home.