I've had a request to review this sloop for a friend interested in buying it. I'm unfamiliar with bayliner sailboats. Any sailors recommend these boats?
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Of a bayliner sailboat My father has a bayliner yatch which is a wonderful vessel so I could assume it would be a quality boat. But since they dont make them anymore and you dont see them this would lead me to belive that its for a reason. Do your research and have it hauled out first for a survey! Good luck Jeff Russell H23
Of a bayliner sailboat My father has a bayliner yatch which is a wonderful vessel so I could assume it would be a quality boat. But since they dont make them anymore and you dont see them this would lead me to belive that its for a reason. Do your research and have it hauled out first for a survey! Good luck Jeff Russell H23
I dont like them, and neither did a former owner.
I knew someone that had one several years back. He didnt know anything at all about sailing and bought the (used) Bayliner because it had an attractive price.Very uncomfortable feeling on it. It always felt like it was going to roll over. It never did, but felt that way. Was also very slow. Like SweetTrade said "since they dont make them anymore and you dont see them this would lead me to belive that its for a reason." Stick to the major manufacturers and you will be much better off.
I knew someone that had one several years back. He didnt know anything at all about sailing and bought the (used) Bayliner because it had an attractive price.Very uncomfortable feeling on it. It always felt like it was going to roll over. It never did, but felt that way. Was also very slow. Like SweetTrade said "since they dont make them anymore and you dont see them this would lead me to belive that its for a reason." Stick to the major manufacturers and you will be much better off.
Two Generations
As I recall, there were really two generations of these. The first were sort of mega trailererables which had shoal fixed keels and super high freeboards. Sort of looked like puffer fishes. There were the ones that gave them a 'bad' rep, but I'm not inclined to pile on since I met a family who had cruised the islands including Cuba and a good chunk of the US on a 25. I think a lot of it had to do with looks. The second generation boat, which this one looks like, had some name designers and were very contemporary. They even had a 1/4 and 1/2 tonner under the IOR rule as I further recollect. So, my point is that it's certainly worth considering, but should be looked over just like any older used boat. I believe the second generation boats had nice gear on them at that time too. Rick D.
As I recall, there were really two generations of these. The first were sort of mega trailererables which had shoal fixed keels and super high freeboards. Sort of looked like puffer fishes. There were the ones that gave them a 'bad' rep, but I'm not inclined to pile on since I met a family who had cruised the islands including Cuba and a good chunk of the US on a 25. I think a lot of it had to do with looks. The second generation boat, which this one looks like, had some name designers and were very contemporary. They even had a 1/4 and 1/2 tonner under the IOR rule as I further recollect. So, my point is that it's certainly worth considering, but should be looked over just like any older used boat. I believe the second generation boats had nice gear on them at that time too. Rick D.
Regardless of gear or any equipment, the problem
is their reputation. Tell your friend to run away, not walk.
is their reputation. Tell your friend to run away, not walk.
Bayliner?!
If the Bayliner name can carry the same baggage (ain't good) in sailboats as it does in powerboats, particularly anything older than 5 years, beware!
If the Bayliner name can carry the same baggage (ain't good) in sailboats as it does in powerboats, particularly anything older than 5 years, beware!
Nice looking boat ...
Her lines look pretty nice to me. How could you knock it if the components are in good condition and higher quality. Bayliners are very popular among the powerboat crowd because they are priced right.
Her lines look pretty nice to me. How could you knock it if the components are in good condition and higher quality. Bayliners are very popular among the powerboat crowd because they are priced right.
Bayliner
I had a Bayliner Bucaneer several years ago. It was about 18' did all right by me. Had a swing keel and very small encosed bow. Sloop rigged. It was pretty quick, got up on a plane.
I had a Bayliner Bucaneer several years ago. It was about 18' did all right by me. Had a swing keel and very small encosed bow. Sloop rigged. It was pretty quick, got up on a plane.
a.k.a. US Yachts
These boats were sold under "US Yachts" and was a company owned by Bayliner. If you're buying it then I'd definitely use the "Bayliner" name but when you go to sell use the "US Yachts" name. It sound better. Years ago I looked at a 33 (or there abouts) that had an interior that was walnut with orange and brown fabrics and, I think, orange formica counter tops. The one I looked at also a separation problem with the forward bulkhead. The bulkhead was a half-bulkhead to port and a quarter "bulkhead" to starboard. The separation occurred between the underside of the deck and the quarter "bulkhead". After analyzing the situation it became apparent that the backstay was probably cranked up too tight and the hull oil-canned causing the separation. The boat had rod rigging and a full complement of sails from spinaker to blade. Apparently there were a number of these that were made with the intent of racing in mind but about that time the boat market went south and so did US Yachts. Well, at any rate, they quit making them. The boat I looked at was listed for a really low price and after telling the dealer what I thought the problem was and how I would fix it it was sold to someone else. The one I looked at had the lines of the one you're looking at which were pretty nice. What really gives them a bad rap is (1) being associated with Bayliner and (2) being associated with the little "tubs", you know, the ones with a million ports (non-opening), lots of room inside for their length, and sleep two large families. The reason the price is low is because those who know sailboats will avoid buying the Bayliner/US Yachts. By the time you take care of all the deferred maintenance and buy new sails for her you'll have a lot more money invested and come resale time it'll be difficult to sell. If you're in for it for the long haul then amortizing the cost over many years could be a consideration. There are a lot of old used boats out there of this vintage and, from a resale standpoint, I'd consider them first: Cal, San Juan 23, O'Day, etc. There's lots more. Hope this helps and good luck in your decision.
These boats were sold under "US Yachts" and was a company owned by Bayliner. If you're buying it then I'd definitely use the "Bayliner" name but when you go to sell use the "US Yachts" name. It sound better. Years ago I looked at a 33 (or there abouts) that had an interior that was walnut with orange and brown fabrics and, I think, orange formica counter tops. The one I looked at also a separation problem with the forward bulkhead. The bulkhead was a half-bulkhead to port and a quarter "bulkhead" to starboard. The separation occurred between the underside of the deck and the quarter "bulkhead". After analyzing the situation it became apparent that the backstay was probably cranked up too tight and the hull oil-canned causing the separation. The boat had rod rigging and a full complement of sails from spinaker to blade. Apparently there were a number of these that were made with the intent of racing in mind but about that time the boat market went south and so did US Yachts. Well, at any rate, they quit making them. The boat I looked at was listed for a really low price and after telling the dealer what I thought the problem was and how I would fix it it was sold to someone else. The one I looked at had the lines of the one you're looking at which were pretty nice. What really gives them a bad rap is (1) being associated with Bayliner and (2) being associated with the little "tubs", you know, the ones with a million ports (non-opening), lots of room inside for their length, and sleep two large families. The reason the price is low is because those who know sailboats will avoid buying the Bayliner/US Yachts. By the time you take care of all the deferred maintenance and buy new sails for her you'll have a lot more money invested and come resale time it'll be difficult to sell. If you're in for it for the long haul then amortizing the cost over many years could be a consideration. There are a lot of old used boats out there of this vintage and, from a resale standpoint, I'd consider them first: Cal, San Juan 23, O'Day, etc. There's lots more. Hope this helps and good luck in your decision.
Maybe the photo doesn't reveal much ...
but that boat looks like she is in really fine condition. Somebody may have put in a lot of care and made improvements already. William, have you seen the boat in person yet?
but that boat looks like she is in really fine condition. Somebody may have put in a lot of care and made improvements already. William, have you seen the boat in person yet?
Bucaneer & US Yacht were different boats.
I think that Doug Peterson designed many of the US Yacht hulls. I am not sure that Bayliner built the original molds or they purchased them from another mfg. There is some indication that Pearson purchased some of the molds after Bayliner decided to discontinue building these boats. Check the prices on BUC and NADA for some comparable prices.
I think that Doug Peterson designed many of the US Yacht hulls. I am not sure that Bayliner built the original molds or they purchased them from another mfg. There is some indication that Pearson purchased some of the molds after Bayliner decided to discontinue building these boats. Check the prices on BUC and NADA for some comparable prices.
good heater
A friend had one several years ago, it had a nice hot water heater. The best thing that hapened to it was it got totaled by another boat!
A friend had one several years ago, it had a nice hot water heater. The best thing that hapened to it was it got totaled by another boat!
i had one for a while
Like almost all of them, it was cored with balsa below the water line which also meant it had a rotten core below the water line. I have a spare rudder for a 24' bucc, if anyone needs one, the rest of the boat was killed in Wilma in its slip... with the really shallow draft, it was a good boat to learn on though...
Like almost all of them, it was cored with balsa below the water line which also meant it had a rotten core below the water line. I have a spare rudder for a 24' bucc, if anyone needs one, the rest of the boat was killed in Wilma in its slip... with the really shallow draft, it was a good boat to learn on though...
Buccaneer 272 made by bayliner
A Bucaneer 272 (made by bayliner) was my first keelboat. I had a great learning experience with the boat and owned it for 8 years and had lots of great times on it. No thru hulls whatsoever to sink the boat. I installed a head on it and used a water bladder to fill the toilet. Did alot of work on it and sailed it like there was no tomorrow. Bought a Hunter 34 and sold the boat for 1200 more than I paid for it. I can not bash one of those old sinkin lincolns at all. It was a great first boat, and was NOT a balsa core hull. Solid fiberglass. Tim Welsh
A Bucaneer 272 (made by bayliner) was my first keelboat. I had a great learning experience with the boat and owned it for 8 years and had lots of great times on it. No thru hulls whatsoever to sink the boat. I installed a head on it and used a water bladder to fill the toilet. Did alot of work on it and sailed it like there was no tomorrow. Bought a Hunter 34 and sold the boat for 1200 more than I paid for it. I can not bash one of those old sinkin lincolns at all. It was a great first boat, and was NOT a balsa core hull. Solid fiberglass. Tim Welsh
Here's the scoop.
You all are associating the name Bayliner with the early to mid eighty's powerboats. Bayliner cut a lot of corners in this generation of boats by trying to be everything to everybody. The got into a lot of trouble financially and nearly went out of business. The early Bayliners, including the sailboats are excellent examples of coastal capable vessells. A well maintained bayliner buccaneer should not be excluded from the list of quality boats. Look at the boat, determine if it will fit your bill, and consider it as a viable option. I would put one up against a same vintage Macgregor or the like any day. But, a 30 year old boat should obviously be viewed with eyes wide open. Just my two cents... Ross in Tampa 1979 Oday 25 "Lola"
You all are associating the name Bayliner with the early to mid eighty's powerboats. Bayliner cut a lot of corners in this generation of boats by trying to be everything to everybody. The got into a lot of trouble financially and nearly went out of business. The early Bayliners, including the sailboats are excellent examples of coastal capable vessells. A well maintained bayliner buccaneer should not be excluded from the list of quality boats. Look at the boat, determine if it will fit your bill, and consider it as a viable option. I would put one up against a same vintage Macgregor or the like any day. But, a 30 year old boat should obviously be viewed with eyes wide open. Just my two cents... Ross in Tampa 1979 Oday 25 "Lola"
US Yachts/Bayliner Buccaneer
This one looks like the model that US Yachts took over from. I think the first "Buccaneers" were due to the cost of fuel in the 70's and there wasn't much design to them (the ones with the million ports). This one became the US Yachts which the built in 22', 25', 27', and a 30 something. It is an OK first or second boat for protected water.
This one looks like the model that US Yachts took over from. I think the first "Buccaneers" were due to the cost of fuel in the 70's and there wasn't much design to them (the ones with the million ports). This one became the US Yachts which the built in 22', 25', 27', and a 30 something. It is an OK first or second boat for protected water.
I Owned One for 8 Years
I owned a US Yachts 25 for 8 years. I sailed her on SF Bay (which is not protected water). Never had any problem with the boat in those 8 years. The deck was cored with plywood in the high stress areas, and the hull was a solid laminate. I know the hull was NOT cored because I installed the speedo and depth transducers myself. There was no coring anywhere in the hull. I bought the boat new in 1981 and she is still sailing the bay. She rated 210 SF Bay PHRF and generally would sail to that rating. She was indeed designed by Doug Peterson. If that boat is in good shape, deck solid, no damage at the keel to hull joint, I would buy it if the price was right. Later the molds were sold to Pearson Yachts and were made by them for awhile. Going by the color scheme on the boat you're looking at, it could be a Peason built US 25. The US Yachts built boats were an off white color and my '81 model was off white with beige gel coat on the topsides. The Pearson built one were pure white. Rodney S/V Sashay SF Bay
I owned a US Yachts 25 for 8 years. I sailed her on SF Bay (which is not protected water). Never had any problem with the boat in those 8 years. The deck was cored with plywood in the high stress areas, and the hull was a solid laminate. I know the hull was NOT cored because I installed the speedo and depth transducers myself. There was no coring anywhere in the hull. I bought the boat new in 1981 and she is still sailing the bay. She rated 210 SF Bay PHRF and generally would sail to that rating. She was indeed designed by Doug Peterson. If that boat is in good shape, deck solid, no damage at the keel to hull joint, I would buy it if the price was right. Later the molds were sold to Pearson Yachts and were made by them for awhile. Going by the color scheme on the boat you're looking at, it could be a Peason built US 25. The US Yachts built boats were an off white color and my '81 model was off white with beige gel coat on the topsides. The Pearson built one were pure white. Rodney S/V Sashay SF Bay
William
Get the basic dimensions of the boat and look up sailing performance here: http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html The boats are listed as "US" or "US Bayliner" I would think the most important consideration in a boat this old is what condition is it in.
Get the basic dimensions of the boat and look up sailing performance here: http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html The boats are listed as "US" or "US Bayliner" I would think the most important consideration in a boat this old is what condition is it in.
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