Battery capacity testing

Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
My house batteries are 4 years old and I want to capacity test them this Spring. But I don't really want to discharge them all the way down to 10.5V and don't really have a practical way to be at the boat for 20 hours to do it.

If I instead just discharged them halfway to around 12.2V, let them settle a while after, and then measure the voltage and SG and ratio it back out to full, how far off would the measurement be you think.

I don't really care if I completely know the real capacity as long as I can be within 5-10% to use in programming my battery monitor so that I have more faith in the SOC measurement display.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
My house batteries are 4 years old and I want to capacity test them this Spring. But I don't really want to discharge them all the way down to 10.5V and don't really have a practical way to be at the boat for 20 hours to do it.

If I instead just discharged them halfway to around 12.2V, let them settle a while after, and then measure the voltage and SG and ratio it back out to full, how far off would the measurement be you think.

I don't really care if I completely know the real capacity as long as I can be within 5-10% to use in programming my battery monitor so that I have more faith in the SOC measurement display.
#1 Unless you can control the temp of your batteries to 75-80F, kind of tough on a boat in the North East until July or August, then trying to do a capacity test is really quite meaningless as you'll need to temp compensate. Unfortunately there are no charts for used batteries and as they age, and sulfate, they usually perform differently in cold than they do when new.

#2 If you want to know the actual capacity a discharge test at the 20 hour rate to 10.5V is the only way to do so. It does not harm the battery any more than any other cycle and if recharged immediately afterwards, at the 20 hour rate or a low slow rate, you can actually regain some lost capacity. In actuality a cycle test it is less harmless than the way most boaters cycle their batteries by going to 50% then not recharging them immediately.

Unfortunately there is no magic bullet to know your Ah capacity as the voltage drop curve as batteries age is not an accurate enough measure if you stop at 50% or what you assume is 50%.

I would suggest bringing one pair home and testing them at 75F. Just warm a single room and set up the test.... Heck even at 70F you should be within a few %... If you do it over a weekend you are around it is pretty easy..
 
Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
well I'm getting almost to the point of believing that $300 Balmar Smartgage thing used with my battery monitor is worth it to know the real story with my batteries

then again a Smartgage costs about 60% of what I paid for my house bank new
 

Blade

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Apr 30, 2014
9
Valiant Esprit 37 Mexico
Unfortunately the SmartGauge doesn't tell you remaining battery capacity. It is only a state of charge meter. E.g. if your 100Ah battery is only a 90Ah due to aging, a SmartGauge reading of 50% SOC does not mean you have 50Ah remaining. This is the same problem an Amp Hour Meter has in showing remaining capacity, unless its kept calibrated.
 
Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
Unfortunately the SmartGauge doesn't tell you remaining battery capacity. It is only a state of charge meter. E.g. if your 100Ah battery is only a 90Ah due to aging, a SmartGauge reading of 50% SOC does not mean you have 50Ah remaining. This is the same problem an Amp Hour Meter has in showing remaining capacity, unless its kept calibrated.
Yeah but if you use it with an AH counter battery monitor you can figure it out. If the Smartgauge says SOC is 50% and you battery monitor says you have used 50AH, well you capacity is 100AH (and yeah I know it depends on the rate you discharged it).

But for me it isn't really about knowing the battery capacity, it's about believing and knowing the SOC.
 

Blade

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Apr 30, 2014
9
Valiant Esprit 37 Mexico
Don -
If the SmartGauge says SOC is 50% in my example of a nominal 100Ah capacity battery that has degraded to 90AH, and my Amp Hour meter says 50 Ah (out of calibration), you would erroneously conclude your capacity is 100Ah.

In daily use I too am only interested in SOC, specifically at the 50% point so I can know when its getting time to recharge.

But I remind myself that a SmartGauge, or any test that only gives SOC, means that a 100Ah battery reading 50% SOC might have only 25Ah of energy left. Hence the need for a periodic C20 capacity test.

Wish it were different, I am doing one tomorrow and not looking forward to hanging out on the boat towards the end to make sure the load current is staying at the C20 value to completion. But since I do them only twice a year I can't really justify an automated lab tester.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Unfortunately the SmartGauge doesn't tell you remaining battery capacity. It is only a state of charge meter. E.g. if your 100Ah battery is only a 90Ah due to aging, a SmartGauge reading of 50% SOC does not mean you have 50Ah remaining. This is the same problem an Amp Hour Meter has in showing remaining capacity, unless its kept calibrated.
In the realities of battery health / DOD to SOC etc.. remaining capacity is the least of our worries. Like anything we learn how long we can run before we hit XX SOC. With the Smart Gauge you will learn how long you can run to 50% and develop a feel for it. The boats fuel gauge does not tell us how many hours we have left either..

Unlike an Ah counter, which is almost never programed well enough to give you an accurate snap shop of remaining capacity, or trying to use a loaded voltage and self compute, the Smart Gauge is really actually pretty smart..

If you move away from thinking of how much you have remaining and start focusing on "Do I need to charge soon?" the Smart Gauge becomes a really great tool......

For Don I ran a few tests over the last few days as I had an open spot on my test bench. I threw a 100Ah rated Lifeline battery into my temp stable water bath and let it come up to 77F.

The battery had a known tested capacity of 71.28 Ah's when tested to 10.5V at 77F at a 5A load.

Lifeline states in their technical manual that a Lifeline battery at 77F, under the 20 hour load, will hit 50% SOC at a loaded voltage of 12.15V. I set my tester for 5A and a 12.15V cut off.

50% of the actual capacity of that battery would be 35.64 Ah's

The 5A load ran to 12.15V at a battery temp of 77F and delivered just 24.14 Ah's in 4:50 minutes.

At 1 hour the rebound resting voltage was 12.235V indicating approx 50% SOC

At 28 hours the rebound voltage was 12.411V indicating closer to 72% SOC (Note: even at 77F it had not totally stabilized yet)

Based on Ah's removed & the known capacity the battery was really closer to 66% SOC.

The resting voltage got us a pretty close but remember we had 28 hours of resting battery voltage at 66% SOC in order to get there. Sitting at that low of an SOC can lead to hardening of lead sulfate. I would much prefer to discharge to 10.5V then immediately recharge and keeping the chemistry moving not sitting idle at a lowish SOC..

If you did not already know the actual capacity it would be kind of like throwing darts to find your new 50% SOC range.. Also if you try and go for a resting voltage with battery temps colder than 75F attaining the resting voltage takes considerably longer achieve. I have an Odyssey battery that came off the test bench two weeks ago in my 45F garage still sitting at 13.19V...

Unfortunately using resting voltage to find the new 50% point can be more damaging than a single test to 10.5V as the battery won't sit there for 24 hours each time you draw a few more Ah's out trying to find the new 50% point..

With a Smart Gauge you can really avoid capacity tests altogether and let it tell you when you've hit 50% SOC. You then replace the batteries when you feel they are no longer performing as they should or you can choose to test them..

As Lifeline says in their technical manual:

"These voltage levels are approximate and give an indication of the state of charge of a battery at rest. As the battery ages these voltage measurements will be lower."


Finding the actual capacity is crazy hard, but it is time consuming, a bit tricky to do it correctly and hold current and temp steady..
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
My house batteries are 4 years old and I want to capacity test them this Spring. But I don't really want to discharge them all the way down to 10.5V and don't really have a practical way to be at the boat for 20 hours to do it.
You did not say what brand or kind of batteries; maybe that's evident already to some from your description, but not to me. I normally replace my 4D wet cell (lead-acid) marine "deep-cycle" every 3 -4 years and consider myself lucky to get that much use out of 'em. But, I'm typically not out for more than 2-3 wks at a time.
 
Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
You did not say what brand or kind of batteries; maybe that's evident already to some from your description, but not to me. I normally replace my 4D wet cell (lead-acid) marine "deep-cycle" every 3 -4 years and consider myself lucky to get that much use out of 'em. But, I'm typically not out for more than 2-3 wks at a time.
I'm using 6V golf cart batteries. The boat is out on a mooring unmanned during the week with the refrigerator on with a 290W solar panel during the charging. I would be very disappointed to only get 4 years out of them.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I'm using 6V golf cart batteries. The boat is out on a mooring unmanned during the week with the refrigerator on with a 290W solar panel during the charging. I would be very disappointed to only get 4 years out of them.
Don,

You should do far batter than 3-4 years as golf cart batteries are far superior at cycling when compared to 4D or 8D batteries, which are really not "deep cycle"....

What Is A Deep Cycle Battery ??
 
Nov 26, 2008
1,970
Endeavour 42 Cruisin
We're on year 6 for our house bank. 3 years of summer only and 3 years of full time cruising.
Just now beginning to see a slight drop in specific gravity.

Trojan T-1275 12 volt golf cart batteries.
Yes, 12 volt golf cart. 150 amp/hr each X 6.
 
Jan 12, 2011
930
Hunter 410 full time cruiser
Don,

You should do far batter than 3-4 years as golf cart batteries are far superior at cycling when compared to 4D or 8D batteries, which are really not "deep cycle"....

What Is A Deep Cycle Battery ??
Not sure why this is addressed at me. I already said I would be disappointed to only get 4 hours.

Tell it to Kings Gambit who considers himself lucky to get 4 years.