batteries

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Joe et.al

Quote: "The stereo is a likely suspect. The one in my pontoon can kill a healthy battery in a couple weeks if I don't use the boat." You may want to re-asses your wiring and draw in your pontoon boat if that's the case. The current draw, from a stereo for memory and clock, is comparable, in scale, to that of was a wrist watch or at the least very small. My stereo's memory does NOT even register on my Xantrex XBM battery monitor that's how low it is! I think the guys with draw issues should look further into the actual cause. While it is possible that some stereos may draw more current than others the draw is still in the tenths of an amp per hour category and a battery should power a stereos memory for a very long time even with stand by or shelf life loss of the battery... For example I used to store my wifes convertible all winter long with the battery connected because I did not want to loose the performance settings from the computer or her pre-sets. Each spring the car fired right up after sitting from October to April. While I know this is not proper storage technique I never had that battery fail or had to replace it. That car had more draw than just the stereo! Another draw may be an "electronic bilge switch" as opposed to a mercury bilge switch. Many of the new bilges switches are electronic and also have small draws.. I would start with load testing your batteries as these constant drains to empty have probably done a good job at killing them.. If you have a One/Two/Off/Both switch make sure you have identical batteries purchased at the same time before using the "Both" setting and you will increase your batteries life span.!
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Joe et.al

Quote: "The stereo is a likely suspect. The one in my pontoon can kill a healthy battery in a couple weeks if I don't use the boat." You may want to re-asses your wiring and draw in your pontoon boat if that's the case. The current draw, from a stereo for memory and clock, is comparable, in scale, to that of was a wrist watch or at the least very small. My stereo's memory does NOT even register on my Xantrex XBM battery monitor that's how low it is! I think the guys with draw issues should look further into the actual cause. While it is possible that some stereos may draw more current than others the draw is still in the tenths of an amp per hour category and a battery should power a stereos memory for a very long time even with stand by or shelf life loss of the battery... For example I used to store my wifes convertible all winter long with the battery connected because I did not want to loose the performance settings from the computer or her pre-sets. Each spring the car fired right up after sitting from October to April. While I know this is not proper storage technique I never had that battery fail or had to replace it. That car had more draw than just the stereo! Another draw may be an "electronic bilge switch" as opposed to a mercury bilge switch. Many of the new bilges switches are electronic and also have small draws.. I would start with load testing your batteries as these constant drains to empty have probably done a good job at killing them.. If you have a One/Two/Off/Both switch make sure you have identical batteries purchased at the same time before using the "Both" setting and you will increase your batteries life span.!
 
Aug 9, 2005
772
Hunter 28.5 Palm Coast, FL
Your battery drain could be from a number of sources...

1. Batteries have a normal rate of discharge that will increase with age. 2. Your stereo and some electronics will have a memory circuit that will slowly drain the batteries. 3. One battery can draw down the other battery. 4. Depending on the wiring your alternator my stay energized. 5. You may simply have a short somewhere. The easiest test would be to disconnect the batteries and see if they still drain down. Then to disconnect them one at a time and retest. Next, You remove fuses on at a time. Lastly, you're due on new batteries, you may just replace them and the problem may go away.
 
Aug 9, 2005
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Hunter 28.5 Palm Coast, FL
Your battery drain could be from a number of sources...

1. Batteries have a normal rate of discharge that will increase with age. 2. Your stereo and some electronics will have a memory circuit that will slowly drain the batteries. 3. One battery can draw down the other battery. 4. Depending on the wiring your alternator my stay energized. 5. You may simply have a short somewhere. The easiest test would be to disconnect the batteries and see if they still drain down. Then to disconnect them one at a time and retest. Next, You remove fuses on at a time. Lastly, you're due on new batteries, you may just replace them and the problem may go away.
 
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Joe A

Well Maine, I don't disagree...

with anything you said. I don't need to re-assess anything either. I didn't mean to say that the stereo IS the problem, I just pointed out that it shouldn't be overlooked. Just for fun I will measure the exact current draw of the memory of my pontoon stereo this weekend and report it to you guys. I predict it won't be negligible. Then Maine, if you like, we can compare that current measurement to your wrist watch power consumption. As you pointed out… “it is possible that some stereos may draw more current than others”.
 
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Joe A

Well Maine, I don't disagree...

with anything you said. I don't need to re-assess anything either. I didn't mean to say that the stereo IS the problem, I just pointed out that it shouldn't be overlooked. Just for fun I will measure the exact current draw of the memory of my pontoon stereo this weekend and report it to you guys. I predict it won't be negligible. Then Maine, if you like, we can compare that current measurement to your wrist watch power consumption. As you pointed out… “it is possible that some stereos may draw more current than others”.
 
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Paul Akers

The Bilge Pump...

...Should be hard wired to run when the switch is on or off. Check itout. If the switch is off, then lift the float switch. If the pump doesn't turn on, then you are not connected and should be. See your dealer or boat yard.
 
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Paul Akers

The Bilge Pump...

...Should be hard wired to run when the switch is on or off. Check itout. If the switch is off, then lift the float switch. If the pump doesn't turn on, then you are not connected and should be. See your dealer or boat yard.
 

KennyH

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Apr 10, 2007
148
Hunter 25 Elizabeth City NC
This is a great link for Batteries.

This link will answer all your questions about batteries and I use it all the time. The real answer on a boat is you need a solar panel period. http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html
 

KennyH

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Apr 10, 2007
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Hunter 25 Elizabeth City NC
This is a great link for Batteries.

This link will answer all your questions about batteries and I use it all the time. The real answer on a boat is you need a solar panel period. http://www.phrannie.org/battery.html
 

GuyT

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May 8, 2007
406
Hunter 34 South Amboy, NJ
What, no speakers!

Maine Sail, you can't do any accurate power tests without the speakers connected. I know you are saying - what!!?? Goes against some logic in that one would think that if speakers are not connected there is no load - right? Experience tells me different, it all depends on the stereo. I have seen that in some instances, the speakers make the controls stable so in actuallity when the speakers are connected the no load(no volume) power goes down. Of course, stand by current for the clock and memory has no requirements for speakers. Only when the power switch (amplifier) is on. There is an old saying - "one test is worth a thousand opinions". I like your style - proof is in the puding kind of guy.
 

GuyT

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May 8, 2007
406
Hunter 34 South Amboy, NJ
What, no speakers!

Maine Sail, you can't do any accurate power tests without the speakers connected. I know you are saying - what!!?? Goes against some logic in that one would think that if speakers are not connected there is no load - right? Experience tells me different, it all depends on the stereo. I have seen that in some instances, the speakers make the controls stable so in actuallity when the speakers are connected the no load(no volume) power goes down. Of course, stand by current for the clock and memory has no requirements for speakers. Only when the power switch (amplifier) is on. There is an old saying - "one test is worth a thousand opinions". I like your style - proof is in the puding kind of guy.
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
Oday 25 pittsburgh
Mike,batteries, You have two that can be used

individually or together. If you use one battery individually for say house lights and drain that battery , when you switch to "both", the good battery will try charge the other battery leaving them both in bad shape. The other problem may be that one (probably the most abused battery) is failing and discharging the second battery when on "both". Abuse is relative. If a battery is not charge fully and discharged, the deposits on the plate of the battery can be knocked to the bottom of the battery so that portion cannot be brought back to life when charging. Batteries are a life line and need to be taken care of on a regular basis. Simple full charging and being carefull not to drop below 12 volts is also helpful. Make sure the batteries aren't bouncing around when their charge is low. Batteries are expensive and important. It is worth learning about them and sometimes the tech stuff can be confusing but easily explained by someone that understands. Read and ask questions.You will probably help someone else here. Hope that helped. r.w.landau
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
Oday 25 pittsburgh
Mike,batteries, You have two that can be used

individually or together. If you use one battery individually for say house lights and drain that battery , when you switch to "both", the good battery will try charge the other battery leaving them both in bad shape. The other problem may be that one (probably the most abused battery) is failing and discharging the second battery when on "both". Abuse is relative. If a battery is not charge fully and discharged, the deposits on the plate of the battery can be knocked to the bottom of the battery so that portion cannot be brought back to life when charging. Batteries are a life line and need to be taken care of on a regular basis. Simple full charging and being carefull not to drop below 12 volts is also helpful. Make sure the batteries aren't bouncing around when their charge is low. Batteries are expensive and important. It is worth learning about them and sometimes the tech stuff can be confusing but easily explained by someone that understands. Read and ask questions.You will probably help someone else here. Hope that helped. r.w.landau
 
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Alex

Float switchless bilge pump

There are bilge pump that uses no float switch. It cycle on and off once in a while. If the current is above certain level (under load) it will keep running until the load reduced (bilge empty). I'll never use that kind of pump on my boat. Dangerous design. I will not use internal float switch due to clog and you can not test it. Externally mounted bilge sensor enables you to flip it up and the pump should run.
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
Disagree Alex... not to change the thread

Rule has a unit (RuleMate 2000???) that has an internal float switch, that can be tested with the switch (on/off/manual). The yard installed a Rule 2000 (I didn't know it cycled on and off... until I was on my mooring). I was so Bull**it... I e-mailed Rule on why they would even design anything like that. They apoligized for the yards mistake (go figure)... and sent me the bilge pump I wanted... at no charge! Rule is part of ITT. I was so satisfied with their service... I bought a Jabsco macerator (ITT)... and will purchase any ITT product. An external float switch can foul... with all kinds of stuff rolling around down in the bilge. Rich
 
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