I have a 1988 H33.5 which I need to haulout and paint bottom. My marina says they must remove the backstay to facilitate haulout. At another marina (long day sail away) where I purchased this boat this was not necessary when we did the marine survey. Since the mast does not bolt to the keel removing the backstay and then lifting and moving the boat does not sound smart. Would appreciate words of advice from people "in the know." Thanks, George (Genesis)
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Gary Wyngarden
Backstay Removal
George, My marina hauled my 1992 H335 this week to clean and paint the bottom etc. They did not remove the backstay and never have in the past, nor did the marina in Seattle that hauled the boat for the pre purchase survey. My local marina puts the slings in the water and backs the boat on top of them, Then with a little fiddling to make sure everything is balanced they bring her out. I would not be comfortable removing the backstay and would find someone else to do it. It might be ok, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with it. Good luck. Gary Wyngarden S/V Shibumi H335
George, My marina hauled my 1992 H335 this week to clean and paint the bottom etc. They did not remove the backstay and never have in the past, nor did the marina in Seattle that hauled the boat for the pre purchase survey. My local marina puts the slings in the water and backs the boat on top of them, Then with a little fiddling to make sure everything is balanced they bring her out. I would not be comfortable removing the backstay and would find someone else to do it. It might be ok, but I wouldn't feel comfortable with it. Good luck. Gary Wyngarden S/V Shibumi H335
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Sam Lust
Freestanding mast?
Loosening the backstay for access to the travel lift is not an especially uncommon practice. It usually has to do with the configuration of the particular travell lift. If the mast has fore and aft lower shrouds it is really no big deal at all. My friend, with a Seafarer 30 with single lowers went into the water last week, and the operator dropped his back stay to get the boat in with no disastrous results. I'm not sure what held the mast up 'cause his spreaders are not swept back. In a situation like this I just run a halyard to a point further forward so the boat can get in to where it needs to be and there is still lots of support for the mast. As long as you're not running both sails up and taking on a gale the halyard is more than adequate to hold up the mast.
Loosening the backstay for access to the travel lift is not an especially uncommon practice. It usually has to do with the configuration of the particular travell lift. If the mast has fore and aft lower shrouds it is really no big deal at all. My friend, with a Seafarer 30 with single lowers went into the water last week, and the operator dropped his back stay to get the boat in with no disastrous results. I'm not sure what held the mast up 'cause his spreaders are not swept back. In a situation like this I just run a halyard to a point further forward so the boat can get in to where it needs to be and there is still lots of support for the mast. As long as you're not running both sails up and taking on a gale the halyard is more than adequate to hold up the mast.
They loosen ours.
George: They loosen ours every time. We have only been hauled out in two different yards in 15 years. Both of the travel lifts that these guys use we of this type of design. We have never had a problem. That does not mean that it will never happen, but so far so good. I think that the reason for this is the size of the lift. If you lift was large (long) enough there would not be any problem. The reason that they need to do this is because once the boat is high enough to get the keel above the ground the back stay will interfer with the cross member. The probably do this 5-10 times per day during their high point of the season. I do not think you should worry. One way around the problem is to purchase a newer model with a back stay or a Vision model. <g>
George: They loosen ours every time. We have only been hauled out in two different yards in 15 years. Both of the travel lifts that these guys use we of this type of design. We have never had a problem. That does not mean that it will never happen, but so far so good. I think that the reason for this is the size of the lift. If you lift was large (long) enough there would not be any problem. The reason that they need to do this is because once the boat is high enough to get the keel above the ground the back stay will interfer with the cross member. The probably do this 5-10 times per day during their high point of the season. I do not think you should worry. One way around the problem is to purchase a newer model with a back stay or a Vision model. <g>
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George Coats
Freestanding Mast
Sam, I don't understand your last paragraph: "In a situation like this I just run a halyard to a point further forward so the boat can get in to where it needs to be and there is still lots of support for the mast...." Would you please provide additional insight eg. where do you secure this halyard? Must it be on the centerline? Thanks, George
Sam, I don't understand your last paragraph: "In a situation like this I just run a halyard to a point further forward so the boat can get in to where it needs to be and there is still lots of support for the mast...." Would you please provide additional insight eg. where do you secure this halyard? Must it be on the centerline? Thanks, George
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Joe Baker
Swept
This is common to some lifts and cranes. With the swept back spreaders, NO problem!! We disconnect our H-34 backstay for crane out. Like Sam says, some people attach a halyard some place forward of the companionway. I see no need to be on center if your shrouds are tight.
This is common to some lifts and cranes. With the swept back spreaders, NO problem!! We disconnect our H-34 backstay for crane out. Like Sam says, some people attach a halyard some place forward of the companionway. I see no need to be on center if your shrouds are tight.
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Ian McGain
had this done at Bay Marine, Hampton
I had a marine survey done at Bay Marine in Hampton, Va in August of 2000 at the cost of $3.00 a foot for the lift and power wash. I have a 79 Hunter 30' with back stay. Lifted with no problem. Blue Water Marina pulled it again in October for shipment to Tolchester where I had it up on jack stands with the mast in. No problem or question concerning back stay. Good Luck Ian
I had a marine survey done at Bay Marine in Hampton, Va in August of 2000 at the cost of $3.00 a foot for the lift and power wash. I have a 79 Hunter 30' with back stay. Lifted with no problem. Blue Water Marina pulled it again in October for shipment to Tolchester where I had it up on jack stands with the mast in. No problem or question concerning back stay. Good Luck Ian
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