back river anchored.. tropical storm coming..

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
If you are up a river of any length, rain up river may turn it into a raging torrent.
Anchored in the Bundaberg River in OZ for some storms, 11 miles inland (if memory serves) the river rose over 30 feet! That certainly changes things as far as scope goes. Also a lot of garbage, trees and even docks could come down on the current.
I doubt wind will be more of a concern, but between the two.......
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,987
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Unfortunately, they can't pull it out with the mast on.
I don't know what equipment they have at that yard but , yes they certainly can pull the boat without dropping mast. You can argue if that's good practice, but it's done all the time with travel lifts. For a serious storm, I would say dropping the mast is a good idea. Insurance companies would practically insist on it.
A former boat of mine spent time on the hard in CT on the Mystic River during "Super Storm Sandy." It had around two feet of water under it, but stayed on the stands and did quite well. If I remember the mast was up.
We had our own problems here in G-Port and visiting the boat wasn't an option.
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
New rule around here where Katrina hit: No more boats tied in a marina.

Most will move to the Pearl River and use a tree and 2 anchors. The Pearl is dredged up the NASA fuel barge locks. Thus deep water. If you are not aboard, leave a cheap smart phone with a GPS "follow me" app aboard, to know if your boat is adrift.
Good Luck and may Neptune and Poseidon and others bless your boat...
Jim...

PS: The most damage to boats were those on the "hard".
 
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Nov 6, 2006
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Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Wishing you guys in storm path the best.. Protect for chafe on lines and remove all canvas that ya can.. I also usually tape the companionway so rain does not get blown in around the slider and boards. Remove anything that ya don't want stolen.
It looks like the worst will be around Carrabelle, Fl.. a neat little town.. with lots of big sport fishing boats ..
Since the current forecasts have it inland over Georgia, I wouldn't expect more than 45-50 kts .. a bad storm, but plenty survivable with good anchor points and chafe protection. Good Luck, guys..
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
5,072
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
New rule around here where Katrina hit: No more boats tied in a marina.
They tried that cr*p in Fla and it went to court and was declared illegal. There just aren't enough safe places to put boats if you take away all the slips.Tell your marina they cannot kick you out! It's kinda their responsibility to keep their marinas up to a certain standard to a certain amount of wind, usually low cat 3, I believe. After that it doesn't matter too much any which way about it.
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
I'm sitting here in Bethany Beach on the Delaware Atlantic coast, and the surf is pretty rough this morning.
 
Mar 23, 2009
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Rafiki 35 North East, MD
Make sure to put two anchors down with plenty of scope and some chafe protection, be sure the cockpit drains are clear, and strip off all removable canvas. If you have a roller furler, it is a great idea to pull the headsail off the furler because it is easy for such sails to be partially blown open and then damaged in high gusty winds. Make sure all your lines are secure and that everything below is fastened down so it won't cause damage if the boat gets tossed about a bit. Once you've done that, take a deep breath and have some faith in your boat.

We sailed a G26 for many years and I can tell you they are extraordinarily sturdy little vessels with overbuilt hulls (nearly 1" of solid glass layup below the waterline) that can take quite a pounding before showing any damage.

Let us know how everything went after the storm passes. Be prepared to run a line to the winch on the mast to haul the anchors up after the storm as they will be dug in hard.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,987
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Let us know how you fared.
Today I'm going to pull my runabout. It sits at it's dock at right angle to East winds. It looks like we'll several days of East which will pile water up at that dock (End of canal). Yesterday's high tide had the water up to the bottom of the dock with no surge. It isn't a floating dock and there's not a practical way to tie lines to hold the boat off the dock. So it may be overkill but my contract specifies that if I don't remove the boat during a storm, I'm responsible for dock damages.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Ummm.. no insurance

:doh::doh::doh: D'oh..... Liability at a bare minimum!!

What if your anchors drag and you hit another boat that costs $40,000.00 or more? An anchor is not considered a proper mooring and thus you can bet his insurer will come after you for damages.

What if your anchors drag and your boat winds up ashore or smashes someones expensive dock? Who will pay for the removal/salvage? If this happens you can wind up paying those costs too. All of these potential events are less costly than liability insurance.

How are you dealing with the boat swinging and potentially tangling the anchor lies?

What if your bow lines chafe through? Do you have adequate chafe protection? Have you calculated scope for max potential storm surge?

Why not invest in a proper mooring & liability insurance?

You will eventually be sorry you did not carry at least liability insurance at some point. Going without insurance is foolish and simply unfair to those around you who will bear the cost, after they have drained your bank account.

Get a proper mooring or haul out and GET INSURANCE!!!
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
8,019
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
It isn't a floating dock and there's not a practical way to tie lines to hold the boat off the dock.
My marina installed a brand new floating dock. Guess what?
If there is a storm surge of over 15 feet,
the dock will float away and with all the boats tied to it.:doh:

Tell your marina they cannot kick you out!
I agree with this in principle, but a marina can become the...

Elephant Burial Ground

A marina can become the scrap yard for parts, because the marina doesn't decide how the renter tie their boats.
Jim...

PS: I hope SBO members will tell their stories here.
 
Jun 21, 2004
3,115
Beneteau 343 Slidell, LA
depends what type of storm ...
Seems every storm is different.
Say a prayer and make sure your Insurance is up to date
Good luck
I have been through a few storms over the years, here's what I experienced:
Went thru a strong tropical storm and another cat 1 hurricane at a marina with floating docks. on the North side of Lake Pontchartrain. Tied up tight to finger pier many fenders. Didn't have a scratch on the boat in either storm Meanwhile on the South shore of the lake, 30 miles away, there were many boats that were sunk in their fixed docks and many had substantial damage. Could be that the floating docks made big difference or the South side of the lake had more severe surge and conditions than the North side.
Went thru hurricane Katrina in the same marina with floating docks. 120+mph winds and approximately 15 foot surge
My slip was at the outer extent of the floating dock, (about 100' from main dock shoreside). Lost the boat due to extreme damage from the concrete finger piers that broke apart AFTER the concrete pilings that held the finder pier in place snapped off or over topped. Seems that the pilings held OK at the finger piers that were close to the main dock close to shore. All of the piling that toward the end of the dock sheared off likely due to excessive forces from wind exerted on the boats that were tied to finger piers as well as more exposure to waves at the end of the docks. Surprisingly, there were many boats that faired well, that were on finger piers closer to shore, many had no damage or minimal damage. Those of us toward the end of the dock had vessels that were sunk or severely damaged.
Three years ago when I had my "new to me" boat delivered to a boatyard in New Orleans that was surrounded by 20 flood walls, my boat faired well on stands; however, the mast was unstepped at the time. There were many boats that were fully rigged that toppled off the stands; however, they did not remove their roller furling jibs and the 70mph winds opened the jibs enough to cause excessive windage. So, I you decide to haul the boat out, make sure to remove all sails, biminis, & dodgers to reduce windage. If it is stronger than a cat 1 storm, you really need to have some means of tying and anchoring the boat laterally to prevent topping over. Better yet, have a pit in which the boat can be placed as found in hurricane marinas in the Caribbean. Not likely to find this in the U.S.
My present boat is docked in the same marina in which I had my older boat for Katrina. Unfortunately, there are no floating docks, just 40' fixed docks. If Hermine would have headed our way, I would have likely taken the boat a few miles away to a new marina that has floating docks. Between work and possibly having to evacuate the family, I really don't have time to take the boat to a remote river anchorage to tie up and anchor. There is no guarantee that I could have the boat hauled without paying to be on a hurricane haul out list.
The best that I can do is take all the necessary precautions, tie up to a floating dock with all lines doubled, reduce windage and hope for the best. If all else fails, that's why I have insurance.
Hope everyone on the East coast fairs out well. I know that many of you have gone through this with Hurricane Sandy and suffered huge losses also. Lets hope that this storm isn't as bad.
 

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Apr 22, 2011
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Hunter 27 Pecan Grove, Oriental, NC
Good info Big Easy. My marina on the St. Johns river suffered two boat sinkings yesterday. Although the marina is exposed to a several mile fetch and the winds were clocked in excess of 50 mph and the blow lasted for about 20 hours, most of the boats came through with minor or no damage. The marina has fairly new, high end, concrete floating docks. The boats that were damaged (or sunk) had broken dock lines that allowed the boat to crash upon the dock and pierce the fiberglass. Here are two pics of the sunken boats. The sailboat is a 50' Jeanneau.
 

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Jun 21, 2004
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Beneteau 343 Slidell, LA
Hate to see the sunken boats. Seems that with adequate sized lines and chafe protection, these boats should have faired well.
Definitely have to double up on lines for an event like this. Regardless, there are circumstances beyond our control and you just never know that even with all precautions, you still may lose the boat. That is a lovely area, drove there to check out a boat for sale before I purchased mine.
 

End80

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Oct 30, 2015
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Grampian 26 Tybee Island GA
All went well.
I checked on it every half hour during the storm from 5am till the storm subsided about 5pm, this video was at around 8am, but it looked like that all day every time I checked... I kept asking myself how was I going to react if it broke loose?.. I'm still not sure, and wonder if I should have stayed on the boat for the storm.
By the way, those flags you see at the beginning were all just strips of thread later that afternoon.
 
Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
Glad to hear you're both OK. I can see why you like keeping it there. Tell us about your anchor setup. Your boat doesn't seem to be sailing around much. Do you think the current there prevented it or something else? I don't really think staying on it would do much other than subject you to risk.