Peggy, I recently installed a Raritan Elegance to replace a 20 year old GalleyMaid head and pump, and I am quite satisfied with it. The location of that one is the shortest run to the holding tank of the three heads on the boat. I want to replace another, this time, the one with the longest run to the holding tank. It's about 25 to 30 feet, with not much drop if any. The old GalleyMaids worked with this for 20 years, so I'm thinking the Atlantes or Elegance should be OK too. My question...in this situation, is there any advantage to the Atlantes? I understand it has a much stronger macerator, so I thought it might grind up "stuff" better to let it flow better through the long hose to the holding tank. Or would I be just as well off to go with another Elegance?
Atlantes or Elegance?
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You won't be happy with either one
Only high pressure toilets designed for use on megayachts are able to keep a 25'+ head discharge line trouble-free...and neither the Altlantes nor the Elegance a good choice...there are very few that are--the only ones that come readily to mind are Galley Maid and HeadHunter. You really should strongly consider a second tank that's a reasonable distance (6-10' feet) from the toilet.
Or better yet, install an ElectroScan or, if your toilets use pressurized fresh water, a PuraSan Raritan Waste Treatment or two of 'em (at least two of your toilets are too far apart to connect a single unit to both toilets). You'd rarely have to use the tank...and with the addition of Raritan's "hold 'n' treat" controls, you'd be able to empty it legally inside the "3 mile limit," freeing you from pumpouts. All of which will allow you to go with another Elegance and be happy with it.
So spend a little time on exploring Raritan's waste treatment options at the link I posted above, then get back to me with the questions I'm sure you'll have.
Only high pressure toilets designed for use on megayachts are able to keep a 25'+ head discharge line trouble-free...and neither the Altlantes nor the Elegance a good choice...there are very few that are--the only ones that come readily to mind are Galley Maid and HeadHunter. You really should strongly consider a second tank that's a reasonable distance (6-10' feet) from the toilet.
Or better yet, install an ElectroScan or, if your toilets use pressurized fresh water, a PuraSan Raritan Waste Treatment or two of 'em (at least two of your toilets are too far apart to connect a single unit to both toilets). You'd rarely have to use the tank...and with the addition of Raritan's "hold 'n' treat" controls, you'd be able to empty it legally inside the "3 mile limit," freeing you from pumpouts. All of which will allow you to go with another Elegance and be happy with it.
So spend a little time on exploring Raritan's waste treatment options at the link I posted above, then get back to me with the questions I'm sure you'll have.
I looked at the Purasan info on the Raritan site, but am still unclear on a couple things. As I understand, the unit is designed so that in essence, the very first flush is stored and treated, and is then discharged directly overboard as the second flush comes in. Simplified a bit I realize, but do I have the basic idea correct? If that's right so far, then is this something that can be discharged not only within three miles, but also within "green marina" areas? While sitting at the dock for instance? If not, then I understand I'd need to go from the Purasan to the holding tank. In that case, what advantage does this give me? Seems that I'd need to be operating a wye valve to direct Purasan output either overboard or to the tank, depending on where the boat is, correct? Now that's one more wye valve to keep locked to keep the local water cops happy. Am I missing something?
You have the basic idea correct...and yes, it can be discharged in ALL waters except those specifically designated "NO discharge". Except for a few marinas who haven't figured out that the discharge from a PuraSan or ElectroScan is actually cleaner than the water in any marina, the only "NDZs" of any size on the whole east coast south of LIS are the FL Keys...and there are only two in the whole Gulf--the Keys and Destin Harbor. The discharge of treated waste is legal everywhere else.
Whether you would have to hold while sitting in the slip depends on whether your marina is misguided enough to have made it a "NDZ"..marinas are private property and therefore can make any rules they want to as long the rule doesn't violate federal law. If so, how much of a PITA that would be depends on how much time you spend in the slip vs cruising. But even if you only go out occasionally to exercise the engines, the "hold 'n treat" controls would really simplify your life.
If you'd like to brainstorm in more detail than is practical in a sailboat general discussion forum whether a PuraSan whether a PuraSan makes sense for you, send me an email...you can do that by simply clicking on my name at the left of this post and then follow the prompts.
Whether you would have to hold while sitting in the slip depends on whether your marina is misguided enough to have made it a "NDZ"..marinas are private property and therefore can make any rules they want to as long the rule doesn't violate federal law. If so, how much of a PITA that would be depends on how much time you spend in the slip vs cruising. But even if you only go out occasionally to exercise the engines, the "hold 'n treat" controls would really simplify your life.
If you'd like to brainstorm in more detail than is practical in a sailboat general discussion forum whether a PuraSan whether a PuraSan makes sense for you, send me an email...you can do that by simply clicking on my name at the left of this post and then follow the prompts.
Next time I'm on the boat, I'll take some accurate, detailed measurements of run and fall, and will get back to you via email. Thanks.
I overlooked one toilet that would work for a run that long
Only explanation for forgetting it is a "senior moment."
Tecma, originally only marketed as megayacht toilets by their Italian mfr (now owned by Theford), first came onto the US market more than 10 years ago...and literally stood the industry on its ear. They were the first toilet to have a "grinder" (they don't even call it a macerator any more) that can even chew up a tampon and a pump that can shoot bowl contents up to (are you sitting down) 90 METERS...30 meters vertically. They literally revolutionized marine toilet techology...everybody either reverse engineered it or tried to clone it, with varying degrees of success. Raritan's Atlantes "Freedom" was prob'ly the most successful...it led to the Elegance, the only real improve on the Tecma except that the Elegance doesn't have the distance.
Tecma toilets are pricy, noisy, power hungry and water hungry...but any of their models will be able to move a flush from your forward head all the way back to the tank with no difficulty. So you might want to check it out. The PuraSan will work with it or ANY toilet, btw.
You can get to 'em from this page on Thetford's site: Thetford toilets However, this dealer's site does a much better job of providing the information you want/need than Thetford's site does: http://www.yachtproductsintl.com/category.aspx?categoryID=45
Only explanation for forgetting it is a "senior moment."
Tecma, originally only marketed as megayacht toilets by their Italian mfr (now owned by Theford), first came onto the US market more than 10 years ago...and literally stood the industry on its ear. They were the first toilet to have a "grinder" (they don't even call it a macerator any more) that can even chew up a tampon and a pump that can shoot bowl contents up to (are you sitting down) 90 METERS...30 meters vertically. They literally revolutionized marine toilet techology...everybody either reverse engineered it or tried to clone it, with varying degrees of success. Raritan's Atlantes "Freedom" was prob'ly the most successful...it led to the Elegance, the only real improve on the Tecma except that the Elegance doesn't have the distance.
Tecma toilets are pricy, noisy, power hungry and water hungry...but any of their models will be able to move a flush from your forward head all the way back to the tank with no difficulty. So you might want to check it out. The PuraSan will work with it or ANY toilet, btw.
You can get to 'em from this page on Thetford's site: Thetford toilets However, this dealer's site does a much better job of providing the information you want/need than Thetford's site does: http://www.yachtproductsintl.com/category.aspx?categoryID=45
Well, thirty feet vertically would certainly do the trick. They have so may models it's hard to figure which would be best for my application, but it looks maybe like the Silence model. All the data is metric, so I need to do some math to see if my water pump is adequate to supply the needed flush pressure and volume. You said they are noisy, which doesn't match with the "Silence" name. I assume silence is a relative thing? The Elegance isn't particularly quiet in my opinion, but if the Thetfords are no worse, I'd be OK. I'll do some more homework. Thanks for the follow-up.
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