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Ross, I agree with the paper first and gps backup.
If I know I am gong some where that I don't know, I feel that crew safety is first. So, I review the charts again and again so that if something comes up, I might recall the area of the chart in question. I do believe that protecting the crew is most important, so prior to a cruise, I will locate all important points and load them into my GPS. My family cruised from Marothon to the Dry Tortugas. I had every channel marker in my GPS just to back up our chart navigation. I still like the chart on a long or new journey because you get the complete picture of where you are. We often verify our position with coastal nav to make sure our GPS is correct. On one trip, there were three handheld GPS units aboard and none of them ever were exact. If we would have tried a small cove by GPS like Maine Sail posted, we would have grounded on both sides. We determined that our GPS units were accurate to about 75'+/-. That was in 2002. r.w.landau
If I know I am gong some where that I don't know, I feel that crew safety is first. So, I review the charts again and again so that if something comes up, I might recall the area of the chart in question. I do believe that protecting the crew is most important, so prior to a cruise, I will locate all important points and load them into my GPS. My family cruised from Marothon to the Dry Tortugas. I had every channel marker in my GPS just to back up our chart navigation. I still like the chart on a long or new journey because you get the complete picture of where you are. We often verify our position with coastal nav to make sure our GPS is correct. On one trip, there were three handheld GPS units aboard and none of them ever were exact. If we would have tried a small cove by GPS like Maine Sail posted, we would have grounded on both sides. We determined that our GPS units were accurate to about 75'+/-. That was in 2002. r.w.landau
What if your batteries fail? I'm not talking about
sex. I'm talking about the GPS. I use my GPS to check on the chart position. It's a big help in the dark or fog, especially with a big tide running. I like the chart for the bigger picture. Can't afford the money or space for the big screen colour GPS. The chart stows easily, and over the years I have collected all I need for Puget Sound to the North end of Vancouver Island, with notes about good anchorage, friends on land, clam beds, and fishing spots. It's not one or the other. It's so easy to have both, and use each for what it's good for. Then you can find a good anchorage, snuggle up to your sweetie, and try to figure out what the hell sand sailor is talking about.
sex. I'm talking about the GPS. I use my GPS to check on the chart position. It's a big help in the dark or fog, especially with a big tide running. I like the chart for the bigger picture. Can't afford the money or space for the big screen colour GPS. The chart stows easily, and over the years I have collected all I need for Puget Sound to the North end of Vancouver Island, with notes about good anchorage, friends on land, clam beds, and fishing spots. It's not one or the other. It's so easy to have both, and use each for what it's good for. Then you can find a good anchorage, snuggle up to your sweetie, and try to figure out what the hell sand sailor is talking about.
take driving a car for instance
many years ago it took a lot of skill and knowledge to operate a motor vehicle so there were very few drivers and they were safe and responsible and very few accidents now anybody that can answer a few questions can get a licnese and cars are so easy to drive that no one takes it seriously they find other things to do like talk on the cell eat put on make up read and to be honest i'd rather take my chances at sea where its safe because those that dont have the guff dont belong
many years ago it took a lot of skill and knowledge to operate a motor vehicle so there were very few drivers and they were safe and responsible and very few accidents now anybody that can answer a few questions can get a licnese and cars are so easy to drive that no one takes it seriously they find other things to do like talk on the cell eat put on make up read and to be honest i'd rather take my chances at sea where its safe because those that dont have the guff dont belong
sand sailor, there were also very few roads
The oldest car I have ever driven was a 1930 Model "A" ford roadster. It was an old car then but not much different to drive than todays automated cars. Didn't have to hand crank it, but it did have a manual spark advance-retard lever connected to the distributor and a hand throttle linked to the carb. It had mechanical brakes W/O hydralic assist, a clutch and a three speed transmission that was shifted through the floor. Anyone who could drive a team of horses could drive a car it was much easier.
The oldest car I have ever driven was a 1930 Model "A" ford roadster. It was an old car then but not much different to drive than todays automated cars. Didn't have to hand crank it, but it did have a manual spark advance-retard lever connected to the distributor and a hand throttle linked to the carb. It had mechanical brakes W/O hydralic assist, a clutch and a three speed transmission that was shifted through the floor. Anyone who could drive a team of horses could drive a car it was much easier.
yes but
if you didnt understand it you left it up to someone who did now a days most people dont know half the rules or obey them can you imagine this if cars could fly *pop
if you didnt understand it you left it up to someone who did now a days most people dont know half the rules or obey them can you imagine this if cars could fly *pop
Unintended Consequences??
Will having a GPS display lead to the unintended consequence of having people go out into the fog/dark when otherwise they would stay tied up at the dock. If only a few people do this there wouldn't be much of a problem. But if a lot of people start sailing or especially powerboating in the fog there will be accidents. Especially as the people gain confidence in their GPS's ability to guide them through the fog. Now if you are out there and get caught in the fog and the GPS guides you home that is a good thing. And usually the boat traffic is much lighter in the fog so collisions aren't so likely. But if on a foggy day everyone decides "oh my GPS will get me there safely" . Even with RADAR it is more risky running around in the fog. Anyone out there going out using the GPS when they would otherwise stay at the dock??
Will having a GPS display lead to the unintended consequence of having people go out into the fog/dark when otherwise they would stay tied up at the dock. If only a few people do this there wouldn't be much of a problem. But if a lot of people start sailing or especially powerboating in the fog there will be accidents. Especially as the people gain confidence in their GPS's ability to guide them through the fog. Now if you are out there and get caught in the fog and the GPS guides you home that is a good thing. And usually the boat traffic is much lighter in the fog so collisions aren't so likely. But if on a foggy day everyone decides "oh my GPS will get me there safely" . Even with RADAR it is more risky running around in the fog. Anyone out there going out using the GPS when they would otherwise stay at the dock??
Tom, it is at this point that the Darwin Awards
come into there own. We have 4 wheel drive owners that seem to think that just because they can go they can also stop. GPS is terrible in a fast boat in tight quarters because it tells you where you just were and not where you are right now. Take a handheld for a ride through a subdivision with all of the turns. It just can't keep up. Mine is usually about 10 seconds slow.
come into there own. We have 4 wheel drive owners that seem to think that just because they can go they can also stop. GPS is terrible in a fast boat in tight quarters because it tells you where you just were and not where you are right now. Take a handheld for a ride through a subdivision with all of the turns. It just can't keep up. Mine is usually about 10 seconds slow.
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