ASA vs US certification

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Nov 11, 2009
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Ericson 31 Independence Lake Lanier
I am planning on sailing lessons this spring and would like the certifications that go with each. From what I can gather on line US is geared toward racing where ASA is geared more toward crusing. Based on that ASA is where my interest would be. If I am misinformed about this or if there are other considerations I would appreciate input.

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Keiffer
Atlanta, GA
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I chartered in the keys 15 years ago and the company wanted ASA certification. Since then I have done numerous charters in the BVI and Belize. The companies there could care less about any certification. My point is why are you looking for certification.
 
May 24, 2007
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Beneteau 352 Milwaukee, WI
Same question as higgs ...

Why are to looking for certification? If you are looking to better qualify for a bareboat charter someplace, they will be more interested in your sailing résumé than a piece of paper. An ASA certification will help bolster that résumé if your are looking to charter.

If you are looking for sailing instruction and access to boats for more sailing experience ...

Consider contacting the University of Georgia - Atlanta sailing club http://sailuga.myweb.uga.edu/ for training and access to their fleet for practice.

And/Or, consider contacting the Atlanta Yacht Club http://www.atlantayachtclub.org/ Yacht clubs always have skippers look for people to help crew on their boats during the racing season. This is a great way to make sailing contacts in your local area and get first hand experience on one or more boats.

Both of these will get you on the water at little or no cost.
 
Aug 11, 2006
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Hunter H260 Traverse City
I've taken several ASA courses and they are excellent. The school and instructor are critical parts of the course so ask for refrences from previous students and check them out before signing up.
 

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Sep 27, 2008
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Hunter 320 Tampa, FL
The BVI and other Caribbean boat chartering companies are probably the exception as far as not requring a certficate of sailing profficiency for bareboating. If you are considering chartering out of European bases, the Med and the Adriatic you need to have a certification.
 
Dec 4, 2008
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Other people's boats - Milford, CT
The BVI and other Caribbean boat chartering companies are probably the exception as far as not requring a certficate of sailing profficiency for bareboating. If you are considering chartering out of European bases, the Med and the Adriatic you need to have a certification.
Does either the USS or the ASA cut it with the European charter companies ?

I got my USS bareboat certificate, but when I chartered in Maine a couple of years ago, they never asked about it.
 
May 24, 2007
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Beneteau 352 Milwaukee, WI
Sailing lessons ...

The OP, keiffer, is trying to determine the best source for sailing lessons this spring. He is also looking to finance/insure the purchase of his own boat.

He has low/no cost sailing instruction assets in his own back yard. We can argue all day about the value of being certified when doing a bareboat charter but it doesn't do him any good or answer his initial question.

keiffer, if cost isn't an issue then go to the coolest school in the most exotic location you can find and learn to sail (in 2 to 7 days). It really doesn't matter if it's US or ASA as all you will get in that short period of time is the basics.

Think beyond the piece of paper and ask yourself what you will do next? That is the reason riggs and I ask why you feel the need to get sailing lessons that involve getting either a US or ASA certification at the same time.
 
Nov 11, 2009
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Ericson 31 Independence Lake Lanier
I am in construction and fully understand usless certifications I have several of them. The original idea for sailing lessons was to involve my wife as she would like to learn as well. While cost is always relevant we may do it in St. Augstine as a vacation of sorts. I figured if we take the classes why not get the certifications for what ever they are worth. I have been in contact with the Atlanta Yacht Club I live near there. We are definitly going to try and get in some sailing there this spring either through their low cost lessons or crewing for someone. They are all about racing on a variety of one desing boats. I also have a friend who is an experienced sailor that will sail with me once I make my boat purchase this spring. I like to tap every source of information I can and usually gleen something worthwhile along the way, this forum included. Thanks for your advice and input.

Keiffer
 
Aug 11, 2006
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Hunter H260 Traverse City
I guess now this thread is a discussion regarding the value of certification. You don't get certified just to get certified. It's the structured plan of instruction by professionals that is important.

If you are a "wing it" type of person, go ahead and stumble through the learning process.

However, if you want a low stress experience, have fun and learn to sail all at the same time I'd recommend one of the ASA courses offered by charter companies on the east/west coasts, Great Lakes or the BVI. Charter companies also offer flotilla experiences.
 
May 24, 2007
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Beneteau 352 Milwaukee, WI
Head to school!

Ahhh … context.

Keiffer, you seem to be headed down a road similar to the one followed by my wife and I. Here is how we have gotten into sailing -

My initial formal training was thru the UW sailing club. Basic concepts, on water training & experience, testing and a gradual increase in boat size provided a structured training program. We bought our boat. I gained additional on-water experience crewing on Pearson Flyer. Racing and cruising are two different animals but racing does get you exposure to a variety of sailing conditions that most day sailors wouldn’t go out in.

After the first season on our boat, my wife said that she wanted to start taking multi-day trips and had also come to realize that she really needed to know how to handle the boat if I every went overboard or was hurt. We talked about long term sailing goals and those included bareboat charters away from our normal sailing area.

I did the same type research as you and came to the same conclusions. USS appears to target the racing set while ASA targets the cruising community. Further research showed that wives learn best when the instructor is not their husband.

We combined our sailing school with a family vacation. We selected a school that offered a week-long ASA 101/103/104 program where the students lived on the boat. Our training boat was a Beneteau 361. This gave my wife first hand experience “living” on a boat and the confidence that comes with handling a boat much larger than ours. :dance:

We booked with San Juan Sailing out of Bellingham, Washington. The seven-day school took us 119 miles through the San Juan Islands and exposed us to navigation in/around active shipping lanes, tides & currents, changing winds channeled by the islands and a variety of anchoring/mooring/docking situations in addition to basic sailing instruction. All of these conditions are very different from those found in our normal waters (Lake Michigan).
The school provided an invaluable, structured, sailing education for my wife and got her thinking we need a bigger boat. I didn’t learn anything new about basic sailing technique. However, I did learn things that I never would have if we had stayed in our home waters. These include: Man-overboard & rescue, use of tide tables & charts, sailing/mooring/anchoring in a tidal environment, translating chart information into GPS coordinates for entry into a chart plotter, care and feeding of ship’s systems not found on smaller sailboats.
Additionally, my wife learned more when I did my best to stay away during instruction and testing (well, as far as you can get on a boat). I guess there is a reason why many schools offer women only classes.

If bareboat chartering is in your future, keep a log of your sailing exploits. Holding a bareboat certification is nice to have but a sailing resume is what the charter company will be most interested in. They will want to know the size boats you have experience on, your role (skipper or crew), conditions you have sailed in and what type experience you have with anchoring/mooring. The last charter company we went through wanted to know specific types of anchors we had used and the types of bottom we had anchored in.

So ... Begin with the end in mind. An ASA school, with somebody else teaching your wife, is the way to go. Select the best school that you can afford and learn to the level and in an area of the country that best supports your future endevors.

Good luck and enjoy!
 
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