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Aug 1, 2005
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Beneteau J-Boat Huntington, NY
I use chartplotter as a backup.

General Navigation ================== My primary tool is a pair of handheld GPS's (Garmin mapgps 76C, plus a second older model) while I am undersail, as I tend not to be at the helm much. At a glance of my garmin I can see if I am sailing efficiently enough to my destination (SOG & VMG), any obstacles ahead,if my helmsperson (or autopilot) is steering on the compass course I asked, and if I am inclinded, I will figure out if any windshifts occured. I hate to program my handheld, except from my PC, so I will program the two GPS's with all my waypoints and sometimes routes ahead of time. For trips over 3 days in new waters, I actually bring my laptop (to program additional waypoints into GPS) and also because the PC helps me replan the remainder of my trip on an excel spreadsheet, to be sure I am realistic about what distances I can cover each day. Realistic = more sailing, less motoring. I have two backups. A 2nd GPS (goes in the ditch bag) and my Chart plotter (without waypoints as I don't take the Chartplotter home with me and program), and even if I could, I don't spend much time behind the helm to use Chartplotter. Piloting ======== A different strategy here, since I don't like reading the moving map on my handheld GPS. I use my PC to print 2 charts (approach, and mooring/anchoring area) for each harbour I plan to visit, and put it in a two sided plastic sheet. I hand write any important compass bearings / back bearings (magnetic), etc. I also hand write on the map any reservations I might have (docks, dinner, etc.) and the VHF channels / telephone numbers that they monitor. Piloting Navigation - Chartplotter (without any routes preprogrammed) becomes my primary tool when I am piloting in a harbour, except that I refer to the printed map in hand for any approach bearings I prepared. If I lost the chartplotter at this point, I would more likely rely on the paper map then switch to my hand held GPS, as I don't have the patience to read the moving map the handheld GPS presents on it's tiny 3" screen. Logbook ======= I really should write down my position in the logbook every 15 minutes. I promise myself to get better about this, but always my log book has far to few entries to pass muster. After the journey I will fill in non-navigation details about the voyage, so I can go back and read it in the future, and that becomes the primary purpose. When I charter boats in the Carribean, I find I don't need to alter my methods very much, as there are no chartplotters on most boats anyhow, and I already have a backup handheld GPS. One additional thing I do have, is a full paper map set of the sailing area that I leave on the navigation table, with pencil marked routes of where we willl be sailing. It's a backup plus it's easier to show the crew what the plan (or alternates are) vs. looking thru the 3" GPS window or even my laptop computer display. An informed crew is a happy crew. Cheers
 
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Jim

Evolution

I used paper charts many years ago, then Loran, then GPS. Guess what? I'm back to paper charts. I always have my handheld Magellan Map 330 handy and often even plugged in and running in the cabin. But unless we run into fog I enjoy navigating by site and showing the crew where we are on a paper chart. I even have a pencel and a protractor and have been known to plot a course on the chart. I like the fact I can see much more at one time at a larger scale than on a monitor or electronic screen. I sail because it is a wonderful tradition. I don't need a power boat to get where I'm going. Nor do I really need anything but a lead line, a log and a lookout. I depend on the wind and my good sense most of the time.
 
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paul

Dead Batteries!!!!!!

I teach a nav course using charts, and compass, eye site DR and common sence. All of the new GPS chrat ploters, etc are great but what happens when the batteries go dead. There still a lot to be said for being able to use a compass and read a chart. My 2 cents.
 
Dec 2, 2003
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- - Seabeck WA
Well, I guess I should reply to Jim from CT,,,

That shot of the nav station is photo #102 on my web site. That's the link below the text of the post. I think almost everyone here reading this knows that a sailboat on the water is much different than a car on the highway. Sorry everyone, for saying the obvious. And some of that navpod equipment is the same as below. The forward looking depth sounder/chart plotter (GPS interface) and the autopilot control. A lesson my wife learned many years ago with this setup is that down below, looking at the radar (and everything else) with the heat on, is much better than sitting outside staring into the fog-rain-wind-snow-dark-whatever. And this setup can be used to drive right into our slip.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Fred, Fred, Fred. . . .

It seems like yesterday that you were posting pictures of your refit. Ripping out the old and installing a new interior. I remember the first pictures of the nav station. What happened, you won the lottery? I have seen 60-foot Hylas' with less equipment. I have debated this issues for years. I keep vacillating. So far I haven't gone any farther than crossing Lake Erie. For the Great Lakes I see no need for anymore than I have, good charts and three GPS units. Two are handhelds although one has a helm mount with ship's power. The third is part of my Nexus system. For a trip south through the Erie Canal/Hudson river/ICW I think that should suffice. Especially since "free" charts are beginning to surface. I would like to finish my radar install however.
 
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Puffin (or Steve inthe realworld)

Bendix ADF

Do you have a photo of your Bendix ADF... how much are you asing for your unit? As a former commercial pilot trained in the ealy 70s, I feel nostalgic about them, though not so muh about the old coffee-grinder type. Steve
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
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Ed, Ed, Ed. :)

Actually most of the stuff you see is the same as prior to the rebuild or was a replacement for dead stuff. At the nav station the heater control, depth sounder, windlass breaker and switches are new. At the navpod the depth sounder is new. the rest is just replacement instruments or replacement inverters. And looking at it that way, nothing is 'new' except the windlass. P.S. And it sounds like you are doing well. Good news!
 
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Pete

I use...

... eyeballs and charts when I'm daysailing in my local area. I use a nautical chart when I'm cruising the Bay or local waters. I use my Garmin 76 GPS when I'm going longer distances or the weather is bad. What I use just sort of depends on the where I'm going, how familiar I am with the area, and what the weather is like at the time. At night,I always use the GPS almost exclusively. I'd use a chartplotter if I could afford one...
 
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ex-admin

Final results

Final results for the Quick Quiz ending October 23, 2005: My principal means of navigation is: 30% Nautical chart 28% GPS Chartplotter 23% Other (i.e., compass, eye ball, etc.) 19% GPS or Loran
 
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P. MacDuff

All is not working

All important to be able to read navigation charts and calculate on the chart, what if something such as the batteries fail? As a single sailor one must learn all the basics, disaster can strike in any form, one must be prepared for all the issues that can occur and then some!
 
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Steve Sassa

Capt Ron

I like what Capt. Ron said. If we get lost, we just pull in and ask directions. I still keep a chart, GPS ect... just incase now one can speek english. Sail and have fun.
 
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Mike Lawhead

I do it the old way...

I don't know why but even though I am fairly young I cannot get myself to trust a chartplotter over my eyes and my paper charts. I was brought up learning how to read and navigating with the paper charts. Eventhough I have a handheld GPS I never used it for navigation. It is just there in case I need it and hopefully I will never need it. I am a 22 yr. old non electronic kinda guy...Go figure...
 
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