Going to be redoing my chainplates, but since I've never had the mast up and not sure of where the shroud wire is...does anyone have any pics of the connection between the chainplates and shrouds?? I need to know what kind of hardware is used. Is is a shakle, or something else? TIA Dwayne
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depends on the boat...
...how big, is it trailerable? Usually the shroud has a threaded stud and it's connected with a turnbuckle to another threaded stud toggled to the chain plate. Trailerable boats often have quick release adjusters because the rig is taken down so much. LOOK IN A MARINE CATALOGUE! for examples of the various connectors (Yes, I'm shouting to make a point)
...how big, is it trailerable? Usually the shroud has a threaded stud and it's connected with a turnbuckle to another threaded stud toggled to the chain plate. Trailerable boats often have quick release adjusters because the rig is taken down so much. LOOK IN A MARINE CATALOGUE! for examples of the various connectors (Yes, I'm shouting to make a point)
Ross I am not sure what you are looking at...
The brochure shows the turn buckles and the knuckle and which is the inner and outer stay... It is like the instructions you get with the things you buy today. No words, just pictures. r.w.landau
The brochure shows the turn buckles and the knuckle and which is the inner and outer stay... It is like the instructions you get with the things you buy today. No words, just pictures. r.w.landau
Dwayne, Spend a few bucks and buy
" The complete Riggers Apprentice" by Brian Toss. It will be money well spent. You need to spend a lot more time reading, studying, and listening and less time guessing and asking questions.
" The complete Riggers Apprentice" by Brian Toss. It will be money well spent. You need to spend a lot more time reading, studying, and listening and less time guessing and asking questions.
Yup, your right Randy
Since I've never sailed a boat before, nor have I ever been on a working sailboat venturing from shore I will not be doing any day soon. The vessel in question is a Northern 25. Lookiung at a West Marine Cataloge is a good idea, but when I posted the question I wasn't at home where all my resources were and I needed to know the answer in a short span of time. Still not sure what I'm going to do with my chainplates: I want to make new ones but could not figure out why there was two holes at the end of the chainplate where it would connect to the shroud. Didn't know if that was something I would need to incorporate into the new design; hecnce what is the connection. I'll figure the answer on my own, didn't realize what a waste of time posting a question here was. I can understand wanting more info, but the insults? I've been working on the boat for the past year and a half and, unlike most people here, I have no knowledge of sailing or boating, other then the Boating Course I took which was only theory, safetly and the Boyage system, oh yes and ROC(M). At least I can say I designed my own bulkheads, and installed them myself...and they passed a build survey, just tonight actually. Anyway, don't have time to waste, I have a boat to build.
Since I've never sailed a boat before, nor have I ever been on a working sailboat venturing from shore I will not be doing any day soon. The vessel in question is a Northern 25. Lookiung at a West Marine Cataloge is a good idea, but when I posted the question I wasn't at home where all my resources were and I needed to know the answer in a short span of time. Still not sure what I'm going to do with my chainplates: I want to make new ones but could not figure out why there was two holes at the end of the chainplate where it would connect to the shroud. Didn't know if that was something I would need to incorporate into the new design; hecnce what is the connection. I'll figure the answer on my own, didn't realize what a waste of time posting a question here was. I can understand wanting more info, but the insults? I've been working on the boat for the past year and a half and, unlike most people here, I have no knowledge of sailing or boating, other then the Boating Course I took which was only theory, safetly and the Boyage system, oh yes and ROC(M). At least I can say I designed my own bulkheads, and installed them myself...and they passed a build survey, just tonight actually. Anyway, don't have time to waste, I have a boat to build.
Ross, I don't know what you are drinking
but I don't know to many boats using three links of chain. The jaw end of the turnbuckle is refered to as toggle, jaw, and knuckle. It depends on the person you are talking to. Dwyane You asked for pictures, I had a brochure. If you would have asked a reasonable question about a certian model, you would have had more advice than you could use. The problem you will have with West Marine catalog is that if you don't understand your rigging the rigging section does not explain it. You need the two holes. The turnbuckle jaws connect through the holes. One hole is for the inner shroud and the other hole is for the outer shroud. The length needs to be correct because there is only so much adjustment in the turn buckle or the shroud adjuster depending which you have so that the shroud is the right length. I am sorry you felt insulted. This site is usually the best. r.w.landau
but I don't know to many boats using three links of chain. The jaw end of the turnbuckle is refered to as toggle, jaw, and knuckle. It depends on the person you are talking to. Dwyane You asked for pictures, I had a brochure. If you would have asked a reasonable question about a certian model, you would have had more advice than you could use. The problem you will have with West Marine catalog is that if you don't understand your rigging the rigging section does not explain it. You need the two holes. The turnbuckle jaws connect through the holes. One hole is for the inner shroud and the other hole is for the outer shroud. The length needs to be correct because there is only so much adjustment in the turn buckle or the shroud adjuster depending which you have so that the shroud is the right length. I am sorry you felt insulted. This site is usually the best. r.w.landau
I suggest
having a look at another Northern 25. There are lots around- including several at the National in Toronto. I expect the connection to the chainplate hole would be made with a turnbuckle with a U shaped shacle and a pin thru the hole. The shroud would have a threaded end that screws into the upper end of the turn buckle.
having a look at another Northern 25. There are lots around- including several at the National in Toronto. I expect the connection to the chainplate hole would be made with a turnbuckle with a U shaped shacle and a pin thru the hole. The shroud would have a threaded end that screws into the upper end of the turn buckle.
I can understand your frustration
with some of the posters here. It seems that some ,rather than offer help would rather insult and complain. Not all questions are handled with such brashness. I appologize for some of the rather rude remarks. Some folks here actually take seriously what you question. And we always like it when someone wants to learn. The wealth of information this forum has to offer is vast.I have always found that by walking around the marina,club or even the pier. I learn many things as to how others do it. We have fortunatly a very experienced sailor in our club and I learn just by looking at his boat.I do this when he's not around so he doesn't know that I'm a complete idiot.So my sugestion would be to ask questions and look at ,and see how others are doing it. Keep it up, Ctskip
with some of the posters here. It seems that some ,rather than offer help would rather insult and complain. Not all questions are handled with such brashness. I appologize for some of the rather rude remarks. Some folks here actually take seriously what you question. And we always like it when someone wants to learn. The wealth of information this forum has to offer is vast.I have always found that by walking around the marina,club or even the pier. I learn many things as to how others do it. We have fortunatly a very experienced sailor in our club and I learn just by looking at his boat.I do this when he's not around so he doesn't know that I'm a complete idiot.So my sugestion would be to ask questions and look at ,and see how others are doing it. Keep it up, Ctskip
Dwayne If you feel that you have
been insulted by being told to study more and to read more and to listen more and to stop guessing then perhaps I have expected more of you than you can deliver. Dozens of people have written hundreds of books about the subject of sailing boats. Whether it is about the design, the shape, the material used in the construction, the rigging, the sails, how you steer them or how you can live aboard them. It is all out there. Many people have built, rebuilt, refitted and modified sailboats of every description long before the Internet existed. They relied on common sense, local mentors, the ability to ask intelligent questions, and a knowledge of the fundamentals of the subject. The Internet provides a much larger neighborhood in which to find local mentors. However the question that you posted today is a good example of the need to do some very serious study in books about the rigging of a boat. In my case I shaped the chain plates so that a straight line from the hole in the lower aft chain plate to the tang on the mast below the spreader was perfectly straight and would not apply any stress on the side of the jaws of the turnbuckle. I made the chain plates from 316L stainless steel and drilled the holes where I believed they needed to be. Also the main bulkhead had rotted to the point that replacement was the only option so I made a new one from 1x12 cypress lumber. My personal library contains about 30 volumes on boat design and construction and the public library has even more. So my admonition that you read and study more comes from experience and not from arrogance. You will be much more satisfied with your work, you won't make as many mistakes and you won't waste time redoing work that was started without proper planning. I have been around for a rather long time and have worked in many areas of endeavor and have learned that you can't study too much, you can't learn too much and you will never get anything done if you don't start. Be af you wish but don't hesitate to come back and ask more questions.
been insulted by being told to study more and to read more and to listen more and to stop guessing then perhaps I have expected more of you than you can deliver. Dozens of people have written hundreds of books about the subject of sailing boats. Whether it is about the design, the shape, the material used in the construction, the rigging, the sails, how you steer them or how you can live aboard them. It is all out there. Many people have built, rebuilt, refitted and modified sailboats of every description long before the Internet existed. They relied on common sense, local mentors, the ability to ask intelligent questions, and a knowledge of the fundamentals of the subject. The Internet provides a much larger neighborhood in which to find local mentors. However the question that you posted today is a good example of the need to do some very serious study in books about the rigging of a boat. In my case I shaped the chain plates so that a straight line from the hole in the lower aft chain plate to the tang on the mast below the spreader was perfectly straight and would not apply any stress on the side of the jaws of the turnbuckle. I made the chain plates from 316L stainless steel and drilled the holes where I believed they needed to be. Also the main bulkhead had rotted to the point that replacement was the only option so I made a new one from 1x12 cypress lumber. My personal library contains about 30 volumes on boat design and construction and the public library has even more. So my admonition that you read and study more comes from experience and not from arrogance. You will be much more satisfied with your work, you won't make as many mistakes and you won't waste time redoing work that was started without proper planning. I have been around for a rather long time and have worked in many areas of endeavor and have learned that you can't study too much, you can't learn too much and you will never get anything done if you don't start. Be af you wish but don't hesitate to come back and ask more questions.
R.W. You May wish to know that my drink is
wine. You may also learn that there is much more in the world of rigging than your experience has shown you. Some boats have separate chain plates for each shroud. Some boats have used a short length of chain between the chain plate and the turn buckle. As I said in my post to Dwayne there is so much to learn and so many way to make things work that a good bit of book reading and study it essential If you think that you know it all then please write a book.
wine. You may also learn that there is much more in the world of rigging than your experience has shown you. Some boats have separate chain plates for each shroud. Some boats have used a short length of chain between the chain plate and the turn buckle. As I said in my post to Dwayne there is so much to learn and so many way to make things work that a good bit of book reading and study it essential If you think that you know it all then please write a book.
Ross, I used to be a frequent poster here.
It is people like you that screw up a good thread and oh, that's right , that is why I quit posting here. I here by bow to the king of all wisdom. r.w.landau
It is people like you that screw up a good thread and oh, that's right , that is why I quit posting here. I here by bow to the king of all wisdom. r.w.landau
I think we all need to think a little more
before typing. I have been sailing for over thirty years and I can see both sides of this thread. There is a wealth of knowledge in books and on the Internet if you have the time to look at all of it. But I don't see anything wrong in asking a question to get an immediate answer rather than spending hours trolling for leads. If you think the question has already been answered, post a link or shut up - no need to respond. I asked a simple question on here today and got about six supportive answers and six insulting answers. Yes, Ross got me too. My non-expert experience is that some of the frequent responders to this site have little patience for people who have limited experience. I hope that at some point they will all take a breath and remember when it was all new and confusing to them. Overall, I think there is benefit to posting questions to this site but you have to ignore the rude feedback you get sometimes.
before typing. I have been sailing for over thirty years and I can see both sides of this thread. There is a wealth of knowledge in books and on the Internet if you have the time to look at all of it. But I don't see anything wrong in asking a question to get an immediate answer rather than spending hours trolling for leads. If you think the question has already been answered, post a link or shut up - no need to respond. I asked a simple question on here today and got about six supportive answers and six insulting answers. Yes, Ross got me too. My non-expert experience is that some of the frequent responders to this site have little patience for people who have limited experience. I hope that at some point they will all take a breath and remember when it was all new and confusing to them. Overall, I think there is benefit to posting questions to this site but you have to ignore the rude feedback you get sometimes.
Dwayne, sorry
if you felt insulted by me. I like to kid people and sometimes it may seem harsh. I hoped the smiley face would be the give-away. I really meant the West Marine catalog recommendation. I have learned a lot from it even if it gives a generic learning and not your specific boat. Also, to be fair to Ross I think it is true that it is hard to provide help with so little information provided. Next time if you include that additional information, such as boat type, year, etc you will get better results.
if you felt insulted by me. I like to kid people and sometimes it may seem harsh. I hoped the smiley face would be the give-away. I really meant the West Marine catalog recommendation. I have learned a lot from it even if it gives a generic learning and not your specific boat. Also, to be fair to Ross I think it is true that it is hard to provide help with so little information provided. Next time if you include that additional information, such as boat type, year, etc you will get better results.
Ross, thanks for your post
...13 is our lucky number, too, daughter born on a Friday! Guess I won't be posting anymore "do some research and homework" posts in the near future, because you put it so well. Thanks for being explicit and more PC than I could ever be. Fair winds, buy a book, Stu
...13 is our lucky number, too, daughter born on a Friday! Guess I won't be posting anymore "do some research and homework" posts in the near future, because you put it so well. Thanks for being explicit and more PC than I could ever be. Fair winds, buy a book, Stu
The Two Holes
If the Northern 25 is the same as the O'Day 25 in that it only has (had?) a single chainplate on each side, supporting one lower and one upper shroud (on each side), that's the purpose of the two holes. The inside hole is for the lower shroud. The outside hole is for the upper shroud.
If the Northern 25 is the same as the O'Day 25 in that it only has (had?) a single chainplate on each side, supporting one lower and one upper shroud (on each side), that's the purpose of the two holes. The inside hole is for the lower shroud. The outside hole is for the upper shroud.
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