I watch the forum quite a bit in hopes of learning more about the new 25 - how it sails, interior ergonomics, etc. Inquiring minds want to know!! Thanks
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Was at the local dealer yesterday
Hi, I was at the local Sailboat dealer yesterdaypicking up some odds and ends for the season. They have the new 25 on the lot; I also crawled around one at the Strictly Sail Chicago boat show. The interior is based on the older 240 set up as opposed to the 260 interior. (I have a 98 240)I think the 240 interior is more efficient than thn the 260 with the table position etc. I believe Crazy Dave reported that the 25 goes to windward quite well even with the stubby ballast keel. This was one of my concerns at the Chicago show. The dealer listed the price at around $38,000 so you need deep pockets to get into one.
Hi, I was at the local Sailboat dealer yesterdaypicking up some odds and ends for the season. They have the new 25 on the lot; I also crawled around one at the Strictly Sail Chicago boat show. The interior is based on the older 240 set up as opposed to the 260 interior. (I have a 98 240)I think the 240 interior is more efficient than thn the 260 with the table position etc. I believe Crazy Dave reported that the 25 goes to windward quite well even with the stubby ballast keel. This was one of my concerns at the Chicago show. The dealer listed the price at around $38,000 so you need deep pockets to get into one.
Thanks for the tidbit . . .
Ouch. I was able to get a price list and that figure sounds like it would have everything offered on the H25 . . . . including the kitchen sink and a gold-plated pot. I did read Dave's review and am hopeful it is the first of many positive appraisals.
Ouch. I was able to get a price list and that figure sounds like it would have everything offered on the H25 . . . . including the kitchen sink and a gold-plated pot. I did read Dave's review and am hopeful it is the first of many positive appraisals.
Unsure???
I just don't understand the appeal of the new 25. I read Crazy Dave's review but still - I'm comparing this boat to my 94 H26 ... its vastly more expensive ($38K vs $26K); smaller; harder to trailer (no W/B- could NOT pull it with my 92 Jeep), and IMHO - not nearly as good looking. It might be somewhat less tender - but how much is this worth? The boat I saw in Chicago had just a curtain to the entrance to the head ... but Crazy Dave has said that a door is in the offering. I'm here with an open mind - can some one eductate me on how this is progress? Tom Grass Grasshopper II 94 H-26 #174
I just don't understand the appeal of the new 25. I read Crazy Dave's review but still - I'm comparing this boat to my 94 H26 ... its vastly more expensive ($38K vs $26K); smaller; harder to trailer (no W/B- could NOT pull it with my 92 Jeep), and IMHO - not nearly as good looking. It might be somewhat less tender - but how much is this worth? The boat I saw in Chicago had just a curtain to the entrance to the head ... but Crazy Dave has said that a door is in the offering. I'm here with an open mind - can some one eductate me on how this is progress? Tom Grass Grasshopper II 94 H-26 #174
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Unsure??? I just don't understand the appeal of the new 25. I read Crazy Dave's review but still - I'm comparing this boat to my 94 H26 ... its vastly more expensive ($38K vs $26K); smaller; harder to trailer (no W/B- could NOT pull it with my 92 Jeep), and IMHO - not nearly as good looking. It might be somewhat less tender - but how much is this worth? The boat I saw in Chicago had just a curtain to the entrance to the head ... but Crazy Dave has said that a door is in the offering. I'm here with an open mind - can some one EDUCATE
me on how this is progress? Tom Grass Grasshopper II 94 H-26 #174
Unsure??? I just don't understand the appeal of the new 25. I read Crazy Dave's review but still - I'm comparing this boat to my 94 H26 ... its vastly more expensive ($38K vs $26K); smaller; harder to trailer (no W/B- could NOT pull it with my 92 Jeep), and IMHO - not nearly as good looking. It might be somewhat less tender - but how much is this worth? The boat I saw in Chicago had just a curtain to the entrance to the head ... but Crazy Dave has said that a door is in the offering. I'm here with an open mind - can some one EDUCATE
me on how this is progress? Tom Grass Grasshopper II 94 H-26 #174I wonder too...
I would like a trailerable boat that is a little bit nicer than my H240, but the 25 doesn't seem like much of an improvement over the 240, and cost MUCH more.
I would like a trailerable boat that is a little bit nicer than my H240, but the 25 doesn't seem like much of an improvement over the 240, and cost MUCH more.
I agree
The inside photos I have seen of the new yacht are just plain butt ugly. Simply does not compare to the 260. In fact it looks like the inside of the yacht is still in the design stage and they may have whacked one together quickly for the yacht shows.
The inside photos I have seen of the new yacht are just plain butt ugly. Simply does not compare to the 260. In fact it looks like the inside of the yacht is still in the design stage and they may have whacked one together quickly for the yacht shows.
I saw some of the same photos
And I believe those were of the boat show prototype. My understanding is that the head gets a wooden door and the table is wooden as well. I also thing there is still a market for WB boats in that size; maybe Hunter should have planned on two versions of the 25; a WB and a keel. Catalina seems to do OK with those choices. I personally like the style of the new 25 better than the 250 but the interior needs a little help and then there's that reeeeally stubby keel. Tom, as for pricing; were you contrasting the 26' new - in 1994 vs the 25 new today? If so, that is 11 years difference and even w/ minimal inflation that 26K then is about 40K today. Thanks for contributing guys; always love the hear various opinions.
And I believe those were of the boat show prototype. My understanding is that the head gets a wooden door and the table is wooden as well. I also thing there is still a market for WB boats in that size; maybe Hunter should have planned on two versions of the 25; a WB and a keel. Catalina seems to do OK with those choices. I personally like the style of the new 25 better than the 250 but the interior needs a little help and then there's that reeeeally stubby keel. Tom, as for pricing; were you contrasting the 26' new - in 1994 vs the 25 new today? If so, that is 11 years difference and even w/ minimal inflation that 26K then is about 40K today. Thanks for contributing guys; always love the hear various opinions.
You're right
Clark, I based the $26K not on a 1994 H-26 but on the base price of a 2004 H-260 (from this web site): http://www.huntermarine.com/models/260/260-price.html but at closer inspection this does not include a trailer, or a lot of other options that most of us would want. Clark - your figure of $40K is probably close to the mark ... but I still contend that the H26/H260 is a lot more boat for the money. Tom Grass Grasshopper II 1994 H-26 #174
Clark, I based the $26K not on a 1994 H-26 but on the base price of a 2004 H-260 (from this web site): http://www.huntermarine.com/models/260/260-price.html but at closer inspection this does not include a trailer, or a lot of other options that most of us would want. Clark - your figure of $40K is probably close to the mark ... but I still contend that the H26/H260 is a lot more boat for the money. Tom Grass Grasshopper II 1994 H-26 #174
No Question Tom
The 260 is much more boat than the 25. Part of my response was that the price quoted by another poster was inflated some - possibly due to high freight and commissioning charges. I've talked with a dealer who has indicated that a fairly well equipped 25 would be in the 32 - 34K range. Still quite expensive and as you say, not near the room that the 260 has. I'm generally disheartened by the industry in the size range us normal folks can afford; the pickings are slim. The choices in an affordable late model boat is also very limited. A search on boats 25'-27'/1990-2000/<25K yields Capri26/Cat250's/H240-260 and a ton of Mac's. If you narrow it further to non-WB (our preference) the list gets very short. Ok, I'll quit whining and keep dreaming
The 260 is much more boat than the 25. Part of my response was that the price quoted by another poster was inflated some - possibly due to high freight and commissioning charges. I've talked with a dealer who has indicated that a fairly well equipped 25 would be in the 32 - 34K range. Still quite expensive and as you say, not near the room that the 260 has. I'm generally disheartened by the industry in the size range us normal folks can afford; the pickings are slim. The choices in an affordable late model boat is also very limited. A search on boats 25'-27'/1990-2000/<25K yields Capri26/Cat250's/H240-260 and a ton of Mac's. If you narrow it further to non-WB (our preference) the list gets very short. Ok, I'll quit whining and keep dreaming
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Ok guys, the one thread about the $38,000 seemed to me as being a little high as I sell mine less. It would sound like everything to include the kitchen sink was thrown in regarding options. Finally aafter months of dealing with lemar, I have now gotten the control kit and pod for the wheel steering to have gear and shift on the pedestal. I am going to order the rest of the parts to finish that and get the boat gone. If you get that, make sure the pod accepts Morse cables. On the Universal joint pin attaching the rack and pinion to the rudder, you will need to add an extra washer to keep it from wobbling. If you are serious, then give me a call and maybe I can tell you what I know but if you do, I will refer you back to the local dealer and you may not advertise where I am at or I will go away permanently.
Ok guys, the one thread about the $38,000 seemed to me as being a little high as I sell mine less. It would sound like everything to include the kitchen sink was thrown in regarding options. Finally aafter months of dealing with lemar, I have now gotten the control kit and pod for the wheel steering to have gear and shift on the pedestal. I am going to order the rest of the parts to finish that and get the boat gone. If you get that, make sure the pod accepts Morse cables. On the Universal joint pin attaching the rack and pinion to the rudder, you will need to add an extra washer to keep it from wobbling. If you are serious, then give me a call and maybe I can tell you what I know but if you do, I will refer you back to the local dealer and you may not advertise where I am at or I will go away permanently.
Comparing numbers
If you look at the SAD of 13.71 and DLR of 192.32 on the new 25 compared to an SAD of 17.04 and DLR of 185 for the 260, you will conclude that the New 25 will be slower, but more stable than the 260. I haven't sailed the New 25 yet, but have talked to dealers that have and their best comments are a great reaching boat that's fairly stable. No doubt with that stubby shoal keel, it will skid sideways quicker than it will round up. If you're more performance oriented, I would look at a used 260 or for a little more money, check out Hake Yatch's Seaward 26RK. Nick Hake has been very innovative with his keel and rudder design along with other innovations. Something I was hoping the Hunter folks would do.
If you look at the SAD of 13.71 and DLR of 192.32 on the new 25 compared to an SAD of 17.04 and DLR of 185 for the 260, you will conclude that the New 25 will be slower, but more stable than the 260. I haven't sailed the New 25 yet, but have talked to dealers that have and their best comments are a great reaching boat that's fairly stable. No doubt with that stubby shoal keel, it will skid sideways quicker than it will round up. If you're more performance oriented, I would look at a used 260 or for a little more money, check out Hake Yatch's Seaward 26RK. Nick Hake has been very innovative with his keel and rudder design along with other innovations. Something I was hoping the Hunter folks would do.
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