Hello all! I have been reading this Forum for the past three weeks, among others. I made the decision last Friday and bought a beautiful 1986 H 23. It is in great shape and just got it rigged and in the water. Big change from Power to Sail.... Now I need to learn to sail it. Have a little sailing experience, but the first three days have been overwelming. I have been reading a "basic sailing" book and have a little vocabulary down. Look forward to joining the Forum and hopefully contibuting some information as well! Fair winds and following seas, Frank
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Congratulations on the new boat, we have had ours for about ten years or so and it has been a great boat . A long time ago a man told me he could teach me to sail in an afternoon and I would spend the rest of my life getting it right ;or something like that . I have relatives in the orlando area where do u keep the boat, ? good luck Mike
Congratulations on the new boat, we have had ours for about ten years or so and it has been a great boat . A long time ago a man told me he could teach me to sail in an afternoon and I would spend the rest of my life getting it right ;or something like that . I have relatives in the orlando area where do u keep the boat, ? good luck Mike
In Lake Howell, Casselberry (Orlando)
The boat I bought in East Central Florida (Indian River) last Friday. Took the mast down and trailer it to Lake Howell in Casselberry. The plan is to learn the boat, learn to sail it in my lake and then bring it over the coast on or before the spring. I will like my first overnight trip to be Tampa Bay to Sarasota for a weekend, but I have to learn to sail the boat first.
The boat I bought in East Central Florida (Indian River) last Friday. Took the mast down and trailer it to Lake Howell in Casselberry. The plan is to learn the boat, learn to sail it in my lake and then bring it over the coast on or before the spring. I will like my first overnight trip to be Tampa Bay to Sarasota for a weekend, but I have to learn to sail the boat first.
learning to sail
Peter S is in the Fla area, He is a long time list member . Some time spent with him would be a good thing for you if you could work it out . Otherwise anyone who sails in your area would be happy I am sure to help you out , you might want to crew on someones boat a few times to gain confidence .Mike B
Peter S is in the Fla area, He is a long time list member . Some time spent with him would be a good thing for you if you could work it out . Otherwise anyone who sails in your area would be happy I am sure to help you out , you might want to crew on someones boat a few times to gain confidence .Mike B
Seems the h23s are selling like hotcakes.
Spinfisher, We bought an h23 two years ago and the biggest problem is I'm miserable on weekdays, always looking toward to the weekend. You might consider taking a basic keelboat course from one of the several organizations that offer. I paid $250 for an ASA, 16-hour, 8 on the water course. Like the name says, they are basic, but will get you started on the right track. One of the guys taking the course with me was an older fella whose wife said she wouldn't go sailing with him again until he took the course. He needed it, he gybed when nobody was expecting it and nearly threw me out of the boat. I got away with a skinned knee. Mac
Spinfisher, We bought an h23 two years ago and the biggest problem is I'm miserable on weekdays, always looking toward to the weekend. You might consider taking a basic keelboat course from one of the several organizations that offer. I paid $250 for an ASA, 16-hour, 8 on the water course. Like the name says, they are basic, but will get you started on the right track. One of the guys taking the course with me was an older fella whose wife said she wouldn't go sailing with him again until he took the course. He needed it, he gybed when nobody was expecting it and nearly threw me out of the boat. I got away with a skinned knee. Mac
Day six
Well the boat has been in the water three days now. Yesterday morning I had an ëxpert"come out and finish rigging what I began this weekend. (It was money very well spent, I have a lot to learn) it began raining by the bucket full and I was cognizant all day and night as to any water getting in the boat. Rained stopped at 10:00PM, so I goy inside the boat and it was super dry. I cleaned and organized a bit inside. It was so exicting being in the boat that I wanted to sleep in it. Question???? How does the pota-potti work. It is not plumbed... If is does not flush outboard, why have one (Girls and Ladies I guess!!) If no rain today, I might sail a bit this evening.
Well the boat has been in the water three days now. Yesterday morning I had an ëxpert"come out and finish rigging what I began this weekend. (It was money very well spent, I have a lot to learn) it began raining by the bucket full and I was cognizant all day and night as to any water getting in the boat. Rained stopped at 10:00PM, so I goy inside the boat and it was super dry. I cleaned and organized a bit inside. It was so exicting being in the boat that I wanted to sleep in it. Question???? How does the pota-potti work. It is not plumbed... If is does not flush outboard, why have one (Girls and Ladies I guess!!) If no rain today, I might sail a bit this evening.
use the potty *yks
Hey Frank.. for #2.. at least.. eep! it's a typical porta pottie. The top has a tank.. and you pump the water into the hopper. open the door and it drops into the bottom tank. which you carry off to a dumping station. I've had mine H23 in the water about 3weeeks now. only today was my 3rd 3hr sail. ;D I know what you mean about wanting to sleep in. But.. it has to come out this weekend. the club is pulling the docks and moorings. (lower Delaware river) congrats! Denise
Hey Frank.. for #2.. at least.. eep! it's a typical porta pottie. The top has a tank.. and you pump the water into the hopper. open the door and it drops into the bottom tank. which you carry off to a dumping station. I've had mine H23 in the water about 3weeeks now. only today was my 3rd 3hr sail. ;D I know what you mean about wanting to sleep in. But.. it has to come out this weekend. the club is pulling the docks and moorings. (lower Delaware river) congrats! Denise
Sailing
Excellent. Got off work, light wind no rain, jumped on the boat and raised the main within 20 feet of the dock, turned the kicker off and the boat was underway. It felt great!!! It is great to move through the water without an engine..... The boat points very well, it is very forgiving, now that it's mast is straight and rigged properly. I will need a few more classes to get the up and down thing figured out. Easy to sail, dry and wanting more air to move faster. I am glad it was not very windy today. It was just perfect for my first sail.....It is going to be a great winter! More to follow.... Good night, Frank
Excellent. Got off work, light wind no rain, jumped on the boat and raised the main within 20 feet of the dock, turned the kicker off and the boat was underway. It felt great!!! It is great to move through the water without an engine..... The boat points very well, it is very forgiving, now that it's mast is straight and rigged properly. I will need a few more classes to get the up and down thing figured out. Easy to sail, dry and wanting more air to move faster. I am glad it was not very windy today. It was just perfect for my first sail.....It is going to be a great winter! More to follow.... Good night, Frank
Spinfisher, this is Raven
Congrats on the new boat! It looks like you're off to a good start. A dock at the house is ideal, because you can be sailing in minutes. My boat's in Titusville and I've been busy so I haven't been on the water in months. But enough about my problems.... I'd be happy to help with any questions you may have, If you'd like some on-the-water pointers I can help with that too, time permitting. I'm on the south side of town near Hunter's Creek but Casselberry is a quick trip on SR 417 (I used to keep the boat in Sanford before I moved it to the coast). You can also contact me by e-mail through the HOW owners' directory. Keep in touch. Peter H23 "Raven"
Congrats on the new boat! It looks like you're off to a good start. A dock at the house is ideal, because you can be sailing in minutes. My boat's in Titusville and I've been busy so I haven't been on the water in months. But enough about my problems.... I'd be happy to help with any questions you may have, If you'd like some on-the-water pointers I can help with that too, time permitting. I'm on the south side of town near Hunter's Creek but Casselberry is a quick trip on SR 417 (I used to keep the boat in Sanford before I moved it to the coast). You can also contact me by e-mail through the HOW owners' directory. Keep in touch. Peter H23 "Raven"
Thank You, Peter
Peter, thanks for the reply. I sailed the boat alone on Saturday and got the boat going at a good clip. Made it "turn on its sides" "Lean" purposely to see if any water would come into the boat. Nothing! It is impressive how easy it is to sail it alone. When I was looking around at boats I thought that the roller furling "Thingy" would be a must for a lone sailor, but I was wrong. Peter, I would be honored to sail with you, let me know when. I wen't offshore, 35 miles, fishing yesterday for Snapper and Grouper on my 22' Mako, I did notice a few smaller sailboats out there (like five miles out)around Cocoa Beach. They looked beautiful, maybe in one or two months, after I have more sailing experience, I will take my hunter out in the Ocean(within a few miles of shore). My Fishing / Powerboat friends are having a hard time understanding why I am into sailing, after being an oil / fuel burner for so long. Burnt 111 gallons yesterday. They do not understand, but once I start trolling and catching fish off the sailboat, they will (He-He)!! The seas where like 5 -6 feet in the early morning (5:30-11:30AM) with a snotty and very messy 15-20++ mph wind. One in my crew got sea sick en route to the 22 mile bait mark and spent the rest of the day making sure the deck of the boat did not go anywhere. We loaded up on bait and headed to another point at 35 miles from Port Canaveral and after 1:45PM it laid down to 10 mph winds and true two and three foot seas really spread out, making for a great 41 mile ride back at 4600 RPMs. A few spots were fished on the way back in, adding some Sea Bass and some Lane and Vermillon Snappers to the box. Then a great cruise back in while sipping a few golden sodas. I think that old Hunter could take three foot seas well, it would be really fun with other boats close by.
Peter, thanks for the reply. I sailed the boat alone on Saturday and got the boat going at a good clip. Made it "turn on its sides" "Lean" purposely to see if any water would come into the boat. Nothing! It is impressive how easy it is to sail it alone. When I was looking around at boats I thought that the roller furling "Thingy" would be a must for a lone sailor, but I was wrong. Peter, I would be honored to sail with you, let me know when. I wen't offshore, 35 miles, fishing yesterday for Snapper and Grouper on my 22' Mako, I did notice a few smaller sailboats out there (like five miles out)around Cocoa Beach. They looked beautiful, maybe in one or two months, after I have more sailing experience, I will take my hunter out in the Ocean(within a few miles of shore). My Fishing / Powerboat friends are having a hard time understanding why I am into sailing, after being an oil / fuel burner for so long. Burnt 111 gallons yesterday. They do not understand, but once I start trolling and catching fish off the sailboat, they will (He-He)!! The seas where like 5 -6 feet in the early morning (5:30-11:30AM) with a snotty and very messy 15-20++ mph wind. One in my crew got sea sick en route to the 22 mile bait mark and spent the rest of the day making sure the deck of the boat did not go anywhere. We loaded up on bait and headed to another point at 35 miles from Port Canaveral and after 1:45PM it laid down to 10 mph winds and true two and three foot seas really spread out, making for a great 41 mile ride back at 4600 RPMs. A few spots were fished on the way back in, adding some Sea Bass and some Lane and Vermillon Snappers to the box. Then a great cruise back in while sipping a few golden sodas. I think that old Hunter could take three foot seas well, it would be really fun with other boats close by.
Cool
Let me add my congrats on your becoming a sailor. Although some people regard the H23 as initially tender, I think you'll find it stiffens up nicely. When it comes to learning, the best thing you can do is sail with other, more experienced sailers, whether on your boat or theirs. Do some fun races - they make you think more about sail trim and navigation (velocity made good). Peter S. has been around and a contributor for a long time. Take him up on his offer. I've tried trolling on my H23 in fresh water. Using the 5hp outboard on idle it was necessary to drag a bucket to slow down to a good trolling speed. Let us know how it works for you. Safe and happy sailing. Jim Kolstoe, H23 Kara's Boo
Let me add my congrats on your becoming a sailor. Although some people regard the H23 as initially tender, I think you'll find it stiffens up nicely. When it comes to learning, the best thing you can do is sail with other, more experienced sailers, whether on your boat or theirs. Do some fun races - they make you think more about sail trim and navigation (velocity made good). Peter S. has been around and a contributor for a long time. Take him up on his offer. I've tried trolling on my H23 in fresh water. Using the 5hp outboard on idle it was necessary to drag a bucket to slow down to a good trolling speed. Let us know how it works for you. Safe and happy sailing. Jim Kolstoe, H23 Kara's Boo
Hey Frank, single handing set up
Did you check out the how to change things so the main,jib, and topping lif thalyards are back on the cabin roof? Then you can stay in the cockpit more. I plan to do all that by spring launch. Also, I'll be getting that CDI furler and new Genoa. Denise
Did you check out the how to change things so the main,jib, and topping lif thalyards are back on the cabin roof? Then you can stay in the cockpit more. I plan to do all that by spring launch. Also, I'll be getting that CDI furler and new Genoa. Denise
All the lines run through the cabin
Hi Denise, The boat sails very confortable once you get things organized and trim everything around your steering position. Must have the refreshments well secured and the music playing. I have found that the lake that I am in is kind of small. I would like to take it out of the lake and into the river or maybe go out for 2 -3 days from Tampa Bay to Sarasota Bay and back...I know them waters well and you can really set course and enjoy the boat, if it is decent out in the Gulf, I might even take it around Long Boat Key on the way back {a lot more water} to Tampa Bay. I can't wait... When I move the boat in a few weeks, I am going to replace the main haylards, add a line to fly a flag to the spreaders and some other small stuff. I bought some new lines when I purchased the boat, but was too short on the Main Haylard.. Gloves do come in handy and the boat does great by myself at 22 degrees or less, of course I have had a few fire drills running, tripping and knocking down people, women, children and gear to ease off the main and jib, but it does feel great to see the water from sitting up high on a steady wind. Take care and thanks for the replies... Here is a picture.... Frank
Hi Denise, The boat sails very confortable once you get things organized and trim everything around your steering position. Must have the refreshments well secured and the music playing. I have found that the lake that I am in is kind of small. I would like to take it out of the lake and into the river or maybe go out for 2 -3 days from Tampa Bay to Sarasota Bay and back...I know them waters well and you can really set course and enjoy the boat, if it is decent out in the Gulf, I might even take it around Long Boat Key on the way back {a lot more water} to Tampa Bay. I can't wait... When I move the boat in a few weeks, I am going to replace the main haylards, add a line to fly a flag to the spreaders and some other small stuff. I bought some new lines when I purchased the boat, but was too short on the Main Haylard.. Gloves do come in handy and the boat does great by myself at 22 degrees or less, of course I have had a few fire drills running, tripping and knocking down people, women, children and gear to ease off the main and jib, but it does feel great to see the water from sitting up high on a steady wind. Take care and thanks for the replies... Here is a picture.... Frank
Spinfisher this is Raven (again)
I'm away on business but should be back by the weekend. I'll try to get in touch then. In the meantime....keep sailin'! Peter H23 "Raven"
I'm away on business but should be back by the weekend. I'll try to get in touch then. In the meantime....keep sailin'! Peter H23 "Raven"
Heya!
Spinfisher, Congrats on joining the H23 club! I missed your original post. Between you and Denise, tho', I'm getting very jealous. Although, I'll probably have the boat ready to go back in before next year, I envy your sailing opportunities. Personally, I am going to wait a year, at least, before I try blue water. Until you're comfortable with reefing, tacking and jybing, and heaving to, I'd be wary of venturing out too soon. Obviously you've been out on your powerboat, but that's my feeling. Then again, if I were getting as much sailing time as you, I might feel a lot more comfortable by now, too.
Spinfisher, Congrats on joining the H23 club! I missed your original post. Between you and Denise, tho', I'm getting very jealous. Although, I'll probably have the boat ready to go back in before next year, I envy your sailing opportunities. Personally, I am going to wait a year, at least, before I try blue water. Until you're comfortable with reefing, tacking and jybing, and heaving to, I'd be wary of venturing out too soon. Obviously you've been out on your powerboat, but that's my feeling. Then again, if I were getting as much sailing time as you, I might feel a lot more comfortable by now, too.
Go in the Blue
I respect the fact that you want wait sometime to get out in the blue. Once you are offshore, no other waters will be the same again. Salt water is salt and there is nothing else like it. I would suggest that you take your boat out with a hired skipper or another seasoned salt and stay away from bad Inlets or Jetties {What do you call them in the Pacific, here in Florida we call them Mister or Mrs.}. The only way that you are going to learn how to handle your own boat so that you can assure others safety is setting it free and pushing it some, always be cognizant of your surroundings and the environment, but never-the-less push the boat to do what it was designed to do. I will be looking through some sailclub information for Central Florida in the next few weeks and may also contact the Moorings, whom I chartered/rented from a while back. They have a big outfit in St. Petersburg / Clearwater, so I might get some trip info from them. If anyone on this Forum will be in Orlando soon, just drop me a line if you want to sail, I will be honored. This is a great resource, Frank
I respect the fact that you want wait sometime to get out in the blue. Once you are offshore, no other waters will be the same again. Salt water is salt and there is nothing else like it. I would suggest that you take your boat out with a hired skipper or another seasoned salt and stay away from bad Inlets or Jetties {What do you call them in the Pacific, here in Florida we call them Mister or Mrs.}. The only way that you are going to learn how to handle your own boat so that you can assure others safety is setting it free and pushing it some, always be cognizant of your surroundings and the environment, but never-the-less push the boat to do what it was designed to do. I will be looking through some sailclub information for Central Florida in the next few weeks and may also contact the Moorings, whom I chartered/rented from a while back. They have a big outfit in St. Petersburg / Clearwater, so I might get some trip info from them. If anyone on this Forum will be in Orlando soon, just drop me a line if you want to sail, I will be honored. This is a great resource, Frank
I'll be paying attention...
I agree that, just like a car, a boat has to be pushed to her limits in order to find out where they are. But, I'm a novice, so I'm cautious, but I'm also impatient. So I may end up in salt sooner than I think! I'll be interested to see what your impressions are of the boat out in the rollers!
I agree that, just like a car, a boat has to be pushed to her limits in order to find out where they are. But, I'm a novice, so I'm cautious, but I'm also impatient. So I may end up in salt sooner than I think! I'll be interested to see what your impressions are of the boat out in the rollers!
Weekend Weather
Neo, looks like we are going to have to wait for another window Ouch! COASTAL WATERS FROM FLAGLER BEACH TO COCOA BEACH OUT 20 NM- WATERS FROM FLAGLER BEACH TO COCOA BEACH 20 TO 60 NM OFFSHORE- 411 AM EST FRI NOV 18 2005 SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY NOW IN EFFECT THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING ...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FOR HAZARDOUS SEAS NOW IN EFFECT FROM SATURDAY MORNING THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING... TODAY NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET AND HIGHER IN THE GULF STREAM. INTRACOASTAL WATERS ROUGH. SCATTERED SHOWERS. TONIGHT NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. COMBINED SEAS 10 TO 13 FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS ROUGH. SCATTERED SHOWERS. SATURDAY EAST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS. SEAS 9 TO 12 FEET IN A NORTHEAST SWELL. INTRACOASTAL WATERS CHOPPY. SCATTERED SHOWERS. SATURDAY NIGHT EAST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS. SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET IN A NORTHEAST SWELL. INTRACOASTAL WATERS CHOPPY. SCATTERED SHOWERS. SUNDAY EAST WINDS 15 KNOTS. SEAS 6 TO 7 FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. SCATTERED SHOWERS.
Neo, looks like we are going to have to wait for another window Ouch! COASTAL WATERS FROM FLAGLER BEACH TO COCOA BEACH OUT 20 NM- WATERS FROM FLAGLER BEACH TO COCOA BEACH 20 TO 60 NM OFFSHORE- 411 AM EST FRI NOV 18 2005 SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY NOW IN EFFECT THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING ...SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY FOR HAZARDOUS SEAS NOW IN EFFECT FROM SATURDAY MORNING THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING... TODAY NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET AND HIGHER IN THE GULF STREAM. INTRACOASTAL WATERS ROUGH. SCATTERED SHOWERS. TONIGHT NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 20 KNOTS. COMBINED SEAS 10 TO 13 FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS ROUGH. SCATTERED SHOWERS. SATURDAY EAST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS. SEAS 9 TO 12 FEET IN A NORTHEAST SWELL. INTRACOASTAL WATERS CHOPPY. SCATTERED SHOWERS. SATURDAY NIGHT EAST WINDS 15 TO 20 KNOTS. SEAS 7 TO 10 FEET IN A NORTHEAST SWELL. INTRACOASTAL WATERS CHOPPY. SCATTERED SHOWERS. SUNDAY EAST WINDS 15 KNOTS. SEAS 6 TO 7 FEET. INTRACOASTAL WATERS A MODERATE CHOP. SCATTERED SHOWERS.
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