What next, like the industry needs this http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/tna-nac/disp/byrd-main-en.asp and the actual what there thinking of surcharging http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2004/20041123-x/html/extra-e.html This is a trade levy against American products, but it will hurt both sides
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This is larger than a Boater Issue
& I hope that it can be resolved soon. That might be expecting too much. The WTO is the "referee", why not comply with it's ruling? Happy sailing to all. Next year in my part of the country eh, as it is a bit chilly right now. Like -20 degrees C. Bob B.
& I hope that it can be resolved soon. That might be expecting too much. The WTO is the "referee", why not comply with it's ruling? Happy sailing to all. Next year in my part of the country eh, as it is a bit chilly right now. Like -20 degrees C. Bob B.
Come on folks, 371 views and
only one response!! You must all be mellowing out for the Christmas season. Merry Christmas to all & best wishes for the New Sailing Year. Bob B.
only one response!! You must all be mellowing out for the Christmas season. Merry Christmas to all & best wishes for the New Sailing Year. Bob B.
Not here!
Sorry Guys, but I do not see a relevance to sailing or even boating that makes this subject appropriate to this forum. There are plenty of other places to discuss world trade issues. Let's get back to sailing issues. fair winds Dave
Sorry Guys, but I do not see a relevance to sailing or even boating that makes this subject appropriate to this forum. There are plenty of other places to discuss world trade issues. Let's get back to sailing issues. fair winds Dave
Good response Guys!!
My sentiments also. I'm not usually a s--t disturber, just had a bad day. My e-mail crashed. Bob B.
My sentiments also. I'm not usually a s--t disturber, just had a bad day. My e-mail crashed. Bob B.
Canada to charge a 100% tarriff on US boats
You have to read a little deeply into the links to determine the relevance, however it is very relevant to boating in Canada and profitability of the US boating industry. This is a big deal in that Canada will charge 100% duty on many items including pleasure boats brought into Canada from the US. This is in legal retaliation to a law the US has which very clearly violates the principles of fair trade. I have a Catalina 36 which I bought this year which I couldn't possibly have bought with such a duty. Most of the larger sail boats that Canadians buy to-day are from the US. These will all double in price to Canadians. I think this a big deal that affects sailing in Canada. The US is violating a World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling made in favour of a number of countries - Canada being one. This is unfortunate as the US pressures all kinds of countries into belonging to the WTO and then chooses to ignore rulings that it doesn't like. Since the US is not backing off, the WTO has given the go ahead for countervailing duties in a number of countries, Canada being one of them. I hesitated to write the above as I like and respect many people from the US and I enjoy this forum. However the US does like to preach free enterprise and then makes laws that restrict it. I hate the game of tit for tat and having to use confrontation when logic and discussion should prevail. But what can you do when someone won't play by the rules and process that they helped originate? I am just glad that I bought my US made boat this year and hope that US members of this forum don't damn me for indicating the facts. The links in the original post tell the whole story, however the story is lenghty.
You have to read a little deeply into the links to determine the relevance, however it is very relevant to boating in Canada and profitability of the US boating industry. This is a big deal in that Canada will charge 100% duty on many items including pleasure boats brought into Canada from the US. This is in legal retaliation to a law the US has which very clearly violates the principles of fair trade. I have a Catalina 36 which I bought this year which I couldn't possibly have bought with such a duty. Most of the larger sail boats that Canadians buy to-day are from the US. These will all double in price to Canadians. I think this a big deal that affects sailing in Canada. The US is violating a World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling made in favour of a number of countries - Canada being one. This is unfortunate as the US pressures all kinds of countries into belonging to the WTO and then chooses to ignore rulings that it doesn't like. Since the US is not backing off, the WTO has given the go ahead for countervailing duties in a number of countries, Canada being one of them. I hesitated to write the above as I like and respect many people from the US and I enjoy this forum. However the US does like to preach free enterprise and then makes laws that restrict it. I hate the game of tit for tat and having to use confrontation when logic and discussion should prevail. But what can you do when someone won't play by the rules and process that they helped originate? I am just glad that I bought my US made boat this year and hope that US members of this forum don't damn me for indicating the facts. The links in the original post tell the whole story, however the story is lenghty.
The Americans are doing us a favour
by stopping Canadian soft wood lumber and beef imports. The first industry is clear cutting our forests and destroying adjacent waterways. The second is letting millions of head of cattle pollute our ground water (remember Walkerton, Ontario) and creating a huge problem with the what to do with the rendered parts (so we feed the parts to pigs and chickens and continue to risk BSE). Both industries only survive because of a low CDN dollar which lowers our standard of living and both industries keep Canadians stuck in low tech "hewers of wood and drawers of water" industries. Now what's this got to do with sailing? With a 100% duty making USA boats too expensive, maybe someone will go out and find all those old C&C, CS, Aloha, Niagara, Ontario, Grampian, and Whitby molds and resurrect the great Canadian boat builing industry that used to flourish here. Kevin
by stopping Canadian soft wood lumber and beef imports. The first industry is clear cutting our forests and destroying adjacent waterways. The second is letting millions of head of cattle pollute our ground water (remember Walkerton, Ontario) and creating a huge problem with the what to do with the rendered parts (so we feed the parts to pigs and chickens and continue to risk BSE). Both industries only survive because of a low CDN dollar which lowers our standard of living and both industries keep Canadians stuck in low tech "hewers of wood and drawers of water" industries. Now what's this got to do with sailing? With a 100% duty making USA boats too expensive, maybe someone will go out and find all those old C&C, CS, Aloha, Niagara, Ontario, Grampian, and Whitby molds and resurrect the great Canadian boat builing industry that used to flourish here. Kevin
If I were a US boat builder
I'd be pi**ed off. Catalina and the other guys must sell a "few" boats each year to our brethren in the Frozen Tundra to our north. As a builder I would hate to see that market dry up overnight. BTW, it IS a boaters issue: you had to have read down further into the recommended references in the first post to where it says included in the tarriffs are: YACHTS. Stu
I'd be pi**ed off. Catalina and the other guys must sell a "few" boats each year to our brethren in the Frozen Tundra to our north. As a builder I would hate to see that market dry up overnight. BTW, it IS a boaters issue: you had to have read down further into the recommended references in the first post to where it says included in the tarriffs are: YACHTS. Stu
That will make up for the thousands ...
of Canadian boats that are in the US and manage to never pay any tax anywhere (because the never bring them home to Canada). My only fear is that more of them will buy here and stay here fully supplied with police, USCG, parks and never contribute a dime to our economy
of Canadian boats that are in the US and manage to never pay any tax anywhere (because the never bring them home to Canada). My only fear is that more of them will buy here and stay here fully supplied with police, USCG, parks and never contribute a dime to our economy
Guess what happens if you dont' buy?
You'll be labeled "Evil Do'ers" and then there will be a blockade of some sort. Like maybe they'll blockade the double priced boats from ever being shipped to you. Of course that might help pay for some of this mess were in now so that would be stupid. Hell, I know how we'll punish you guys.......we'll make you go to Cuba and spend your money there! God loves the Maple Leaf. Ray
You'll be labeled "Evil Do'ers" and then there will be a blockade of some sort. Like maybe they'll blockade the double priced boats from ever being shipped to you. Of course that might help pay for some of this mess were in now so that would be stupid. Hell, I know how we'll punish you guys.......we'll make you go to Cuba and spend your money there! God loves the Maple Leaf. Ray
Canadians not such a bad lot
Hello Daryl: I am really sorry that you have been exposed to some of the bad ones! I'm sure we have our share. Regarding one of your replies to the topic "Canadian sailors buying american boats", you stated: "In my area, many Canadians stop in the marina, after dark, use the rest room, electricity, trash, fill their water tanks & leave before the staff arrives the next morning (have your boat & dingy locked). I've only seen them buy wine, cigarettes & fuel because it's cheaper here than at home" Honestly, I thought that you were injecting some humour into our lives. I had to chuckle to myself (quietly of course), as I could just see you patrolling the marina at night & checking them out at the grocery store. But it seems that you might be serious. That's a bit sad. I hope you can manage to get over it sometime in the future. Regarding taxes etc, which you seem really concerned about, I have to say that I don' know much. But I only have a small boat & maybe the value of the boat changes the tax rules? I bought a used boat privately. There is no federal sales tax on that & Alberta has no provincial sales tax. I pay to park it at a marina so that fee will help the marina owner pay his property tax. Ray Bowles: Actually, Cuba is becoming quite a popular vacation place. Can you believe some Americans vacation there too via Canada. Sorry Ray, I just had to get that in there. Merry Christmas to all & best wishes to all in the New Sailing Year. Bob B.
Hello Daryl: I am really sorry that you have been exposed to some of the bad ones! I'm sure we have our share. Regarding one of your replies to the topic "Canadian sailors buying american boats", you stated: "In my area, many Canadians stop in the marina, after dark, use the rest room, electricity, trash, fill their water tanks & leave before the staff arrives the next morning (have your boat & dingy locked). I've only seen them buy wine, cigarettes & fuel because it's cheaper here than at home" Honestly, I thought that you were injecting some humour into our lives. I had to chuckle to myself (quietly of course), as I could just see you patrolling the marina at night & checking them out at the grocery store. But it seems that you might be serious. That's a bit sad. I hope you can manage to get over it sometime in the future. Regarding taxes etc, which you seem really concerned about, I have to say that I don' know much. But I only have a small boat & maybe the value of the boat changes the tax rules? I bought a used boat privately. There is no federal sales tax on that & Alberta has no provincial sales tax. I pay to park it at a marina so that fee will help the marina owner pay his property tax. Ray Bowles: Actually, Cuba is becoming quite a popular vacation place. Can you believe some Americans vacation there too via Canada. Sorry Ray, I just had to get that in there. Merry Christmas to all & best wishes to all in the New Sailing Year. Bob B.
Seems silly and old fashioned for us to be
in a trade war with each other. I thought the whole purpose of NAFTA was to eliminate all trade barriers between us. I'd like to see the Canadian boat building industry revitalize too but it ain't gonna happen, it's pretty much gone here too. Just a few builders able to operate in North America these days, where there used to be many.
in a trade war with each other. I thought the whole purpose of NAFTA was to eliminate all trade barriers between us. I'd like to see the Canadian boat building industry revitalize too but it ain't gonna happen, it's pretty much gone here too. Just a few builders able to operate in North America these days, where there used to be many.
It's not just the Canadians ;D
I've been going back and forth to George Town in Exuma for the last three years. I was in a bar one night and the conversation turned to the increase in incidents of cruisers taking rolls of toilet paper from the stalls in the restrooms, something that never used to happen. The comment made by a local was this: "I guess since the wind is free, these @#$%!! sailors think everything else should be too." Many cruisers also pump their heads directly overboard into the anchorage in Elizabeth Harbour instead of using their holding tanks and heading out past the three-mile limit like they would here at home. Maybe it's something that just happens to people as they go further south....??? Peter H23 "Raven"
I've been going back and forth to George Town in Exuma for the last three years. I was in a bar one night and the conversation turned to the increase in incidents of cruisers taking rolls of toilet paper from the stalls in the restrooms, something that never used to happen. The comment made by a local was this: "I guess since the wind is free, these @#$%!! sailors think everything else should be too." Many cruisers also pump their heads directly overboard into the anchorage in Elizabeth Harbour instead of using their holding tanks and heading out past the three-mile limit like they would here at home. Maybe it's something that just happens to people as they go further south....??? Peter H23 "Raven"
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