Anchoring idiots..

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Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Okay I'll admit it I am sick and tired of idiots who have no clue how to use an anchor dragging down on me! The major problems I see are the following.... 1- Boater finds spot to anchor but does not take wind direction into account or the direction of every other boat in the harbor! 2- Boater finds spot procedes to stop boat dead in the water and the procedes to drop his/her anchor without setting it! 3- Boater finds spot and drops anchor while still moving forward. When the boat drifts back over the anchor (again no setting has taken place) the chain wraps the fluke and said boater drags! 4- Boater actually gets part of it right and is moving the boat backwards when the acnhor touches the botom however at the generous 2:1 scope he has played out the anchor does not set! Fellow boaters it is not a difficult chore to anchor! Here are a couple of tips.. If other polite anchorers have tips they would like to share please chime in.. 1- Always anchor your boat with the bow pointing into the wind or current. 2- Set your anchor with the boat moving backwards when the ancor hits the bottom. Not moving forward when you drop it! This will assure your anchor chain does not wrap the fluke before the anchor is buried in the bottom. 3-When setting start with at least a 7:1 scope and shorten only after the anchor is well set. Often in a crowded anchorage you can only run a 4:1 but please don't set it on a 4:1! 4- If you have to ask what scope is please grab a mooring! Sorry for ventnig but the combination of ignorant boaters this past weekend and sitting in the airport all day with delayed flights makes me cranky. I take no credit for spelling errors the keyboard on this phone is very small and my fingers very large...
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
All very true, but....

...just 'how' do you correctly deal with a boater that doesn't have a clew what he/she is doing? Sitting back and watching the show is fine provided they're not trying to anchor near you. But I get just as much enjoyment out of watching these same idiots pulling anchor the next day. It's usually the husband at the bow screaming at his first mate at the helm for doing something or other wrong because he doesn't know how to do it correctly and easily.
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
732
other 12 wet water
Like Allan said

It's a show alright. That is unless they happen to be next to you. Maybe all clubs /marinas should hold proper boating courses. It can't hurt. Soon in the not so distant future we will be getting boating licenses and have to take tests to get one. Sometimes I think this isn't such a bad idea. Just like a drivers license. Folks still cant see whats right in their field of vision. Just ask any biker. I wonder just how many "boaters" out there really do know what scope is? Sad isnt it? Keep it up, Ctskip
 
Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
Scope is mouthwash

C'mon you guys, lighten up. If someone dragging an anchor towards your boat is what constitutes a major problem for you - then count your blessings.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
If your neighbor is dragging and

hasn't noticed, then that is why you have a horn. If he has noticed, then just start your engine and keep clear of him until he slips by. It isn't like there will be a damaging collision. Fend him off with a boat hook and enjoy the show.
 
Aug 3, 2005
181
Morgan 33 O/I Green Cove Springs FL
Whoa Fellas

I guess nove of you have anchored in a storm. There ain't no way your gonna fend off a boat if his anchor is draggin in a 30 knot blow. Then lets just say you get luckey and he misses you. I'll bet his anchor won't. It will usually hook yours and then your up shit's creek without a paddle. Try pulling up a couple of tangled anchors on a calm day and you will find out what we are talking about. Oh by the way when I come into an anchorage I look to see how the other boats are laying to their anchors. Fair Winds Cap'n Dave
 
S

Shane

another thought

How about helping the person with a little advice or even a hand. I am fairly new to big boats 35+ and I had my first time anchoring without an instructor present. I was a little nervous to say the least and found my self grounded on a sand bar that was not on the chart. Another boater saw me and came over and gave me some advice which helped me out alot. I did not get his name or boat, but where ever your are THANKS, it ment alot. PS. I did end up on a mooring that night after high tide.
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Dropped anchor - teaching something new

We had been sailing and decided to anchor for awhile and swim. First mate was ready to start the engine and told her no, we are going to do something different. We are going to go from sailing to anchored without the motor. She protested, but I explained how and what she should do while I was on the bow. First time for her. We rolled in the jib, and ghosted along with the main at 3kts. She then turned up into the wind and released the mainsheet. Watched the boat come to a halt and started drifting back. I then released the anchor in 12ft of water setting 40ft of chain and 10ft of nylon. Anchor set fine and we went swiming. She learned how to control the boat and anchoring without the motor is no big deal. Jim S/V Java
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
If you find that you are dragging anchor

let out more rode. If you find that someone has pulled in too close to you, then up anchor and move. Crowded anchorages are not something I have encountered in the upper Chesapeake. One time we had ten boats spread out over about a square mile of Still Pond. I couldn't have done harm with a shotgun to any of my neighbors. I don't know if the sailboaters on the Chesapeake are polite or unsocial but we don't seem to crowd each other.
 
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A.C.

OK the whole story..

This past weekend we were anchored in Jewell Island cove, a very traditional cove, narrow and long, as carved out by the glaciers. When in comes this brand new 34 foot Sea Ray. It was blowing about 18 knots or so which I don't consider rough anchoring conditions. The owner pulls in finds his spot and procedes to drop his anchor via windlass while moving forward and beam to the way all the other boats are lying. Once he decides his anchor is down he promptly shuts down both engines readies his dinghy and rushes off to shore to do some island exploring. I have an idea of what is about to happen so I hop in my dinghy and as his boat starts dragging down on four other boats I come along side, take a wrap on his stern cleat with my iflatables bow line and procede to hold his boat off everyone elses with my small 4hp wide open against 18 knots of wind. At this point other people start honking their horns and the guy pokes his head out of the woods, sees me, and starts slowly sauntering back towards his dinghy. He makes it back to his boat starts her up and I advise him to let out more scope and back down on the anchor to set it. Well after six more tries he still can't even get his boat to back straight and he's still dropping perhaps 2:1 maybe 3:1 on a good day of scope. One time he dropped the anchor moving forward then proceded to spin the boat 180 and when he dragged this time and brought up the Delta fast set the chain was so tangled around the fluke he had to actually go on deck to untangle it. It was at this point I'd seen enough. I motored over in my dinghy and boarded his boat while he was still trying to "get her straight in this fierce wind". I asked him if this was a new boat to him and he mumbled "kind of". I then offerd my assistance and he declined. The next ten seconds changed his mind. He hit the throttle so hard he came inches from a Hinckley Pilot 35. At this point aI asked again if he would like me to set his anchor and I made a move for the helm. Now I'm no stranger to twin screw power boats I have run an 85 foot Hatteras, a 65 Viking and many other sportfish vessels so a 34 Sea Ray was like cake. I took over the helm and showed him how to balance his boat with the screws against the wind and showed him where an appropriate drop spot would be vs where he would actually be floating. This is a tough one for many boaters to understand. I then asked him to look at the depth sounder and tell me what it said "ten feet" okay whats ten times 7 "seventy". Okay how much anchor rode do we need to properly set your anchor? Seventy? Wow he's a brain surgeon! Seeing as he had no markings on his rode, to tell how much he laid out, I explained that the flatter the anchor line in comparison to the horizontal surface of the water the better for setting the hook. He looked puzzled on this one but seemed to buy my story for the time being. I proceded to actually back his boat while working the windlass at the same time and keep it in a straight line something he thought was impossible in these "conditions". His anchor set hard and fast and jerked the boat forward just as I told him it would if it was set correctly. After the anchor was set I shortened the scope to what looked like about a 4:1 and the boat held for the rest of the day. He thanked me and then asked me "is there an old gun tower on this island?" yes it's about an hourand a half hike with kids.... He jumped into his dinghy with blind faith and went off for a hike with the family.... This after he dragged no less than seven times and waited no more than three minutes to see if his boat truly was secure. On his way off in the dinghy he yelled to me "you know how to start it" implying if it were to happen again I should fix it for him. I sure do and the liquor cabinet and beer cooler to boot!!
 
Dec 2, 2003
1,637
Hunter 376 Warsash, England --
My Experience

I was anchored in a narrow river about 150 yards wide. There were dozens of others anchored in this very congested area. It was 3am and I was sleeping the sleep of the righteous. One guy decided to leave and in doing so caught someone else's anchor buoy with his prop. The tripping line worked perfectly and the offending yacht reeled in the other boat's anchor until it hit his prop and stalled his engine. Now two boats drifted down tide in the dark until they came to the next boat. The bight of chain wrapped around the third boat's chain and the strong tide caused each of the drifting boats to crunch on the third simultaneously, one on each side. The effect of three boats on one anchor was to break this anchor out too. By now I was wide awake as all the hollering had seen to that. I was the next in line down tide. Bare footed in the dark with dew on the decks and wearing only my nightie you never saw a smarter piece of anchor recovery in your life. I escaped and laugh about it now - but I didn't at the time!
 
B

Benny

Thanks for the lesson;

I don't know how I have gotten through all these years.
 

Kelly

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Feb 27, 2006
37
Oday 22 Michigan
Bahamian anchor?

OK, let me start by saying this is only my second year at this so I want to pose a question at this point. Everything said so far makes perfect common sense insofar as pointing into the wind to set the anchor, laying out as much scope as possible, etc. Now for another twist: how common is it in cove anchorages to set a Bahamian anchor plan (which I understand to be two anchors set off the bow at abt 45 degrees from each other? I believe this reduces swing during wind shifts, but is this plan not practical during crowded/congested anchorage conditions? If somewhat crowded should one plan for just one anchor off the bow, assuming that all boats will swing the same during wind shifts? Thanks in advance for your input. I appreciate the info in these forums.
 

Kelly

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Feb 27, 2006
37
Oday 22 Michigan
addendum...

p.s. Laughed my head off reading your story AC. What kind of beer does the guy stock in his cooler?? I think he owes you a few. :)
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Just one missing thing

I assume it had another 4' from the water line to the deck, right? If so, that's 7x14, not 7x10. So if you pulled into a 4:1 off the equation you had, you actually were at a 2.8:1 and that is just rediculous.
 

abe

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Jan 2, 2007
736
- - channel islands
Kelly, what you describe is a forked moor or.

forked anchor which is used if you have strong winds from one direction...it also limits your swing a little. A bahamian anchor is used when you drop two anchors from the bow, almost like the forked moor, but at 180 degrees instead of the 45-60 degrees. That is the anchors and their rodes are in a straight line and the boat sits in the middle of both anchors such that if the current changes directions, you limit your swing. However, if you have winds at 90 degrees (from the starboard or port) you could break loose since the anchors are not aligned for that load.
 

abe

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Jan 2, 2007
736
- - channel islands
Kelly, out is the left coast in the channel island

when we anchor in crowded small anchorages we place a bow and stern anchor. This really limits your movement and does a good job with changing winds/currents. abe
 

abe

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Jan 2, 2007
736
- - channel islands
Sorry, Kelly I keep forgeting things.

Normally, the first person that gets there sets the stage. If he/she is doubble anchored than you do the same. When you are close to shore in small anchorages bow/stern is used. If you are further out and a more roomy area a single hook is used. Out West in Southern California at least no one I know uses Bahamian anchor. Usually, bow/stern, single, or forked in heavy winds. abe
 
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