anchor .....{Horizon claw?}

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shorty

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Apr 14, 2005
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Pearson P34 Mt Desert, ME
New test

Not reprint, it is new test. Just about all the testing I have read, which is 4-5 from PS and the two West Marine ones from the 90's say the Bruce/Claws have great setting but limited holding. Latest PS says the Claw & Bruce test the same. From what they all seem to say about the holding power (~400 lbs +/-) you would never get to the level of strain that would make the Bruce preferrable to the Claw.
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,438
Oday 25 pittsburgh
Shorty, that #400 is for which Bruce?

Is it the 11 or 16.5 pound anchor? r.w.landau
 
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Mick

The Claw!

Your "Claw" will be fine if it is rated for your boat. More important is your rode. You should have a minimum of 1 boat length of chain. Preferrably 5/16" proof as the minimum size. You can size lower on the chain (I like 1/4" HT) but you should add length if you do. I use a 33 lb. Bruce with 100' 1/4HT chain, and 250' of 1/2" nylon anchor rode. I don't know if I would have chosen a "Claw" had it been available, but I chose the Bruce over the CQR.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
The patent ran out on the bruce

And the claw was born. I believe that the Bruce is forged and the claw is cast steel. That is not necessarily bad, but it lowers production cost. I am a believer in heavy anchors and heavy chains. My experience seems to justify this stance. I have anchored on the "fly" when I had lost controll of the boat near a lee shore. There was not going to be time to try again, once down with enough rode payed out it held. You can go light and probably be safe or you can go as heavy as you can handle and know that you will be safe.
 
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Steve

Cheap claws

Claw types in general perform badly. They set reasonably reliably but have terrible holding power. Claw knock-offs, i.e. anything that looks like a Bruce but isn't, are even worse. The Bruce is CAST not FORGED, whoever said forged. But their anchors are still subject to MUCH BETTER quality control. Read what Bruce say on their website about all the copies: http://www.bruceanchor.co.uk/cast.htm Of course they're biased but I definitely agree with most of what they say! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR Why a claw at all? Jack you should be looking at other newer (better) types... Bulwagga - www.noteco.com/bulwagga/ Spade - www.spade-anchor.com Rocna - www.rocna.com Watch the video at the bottom site if you want to see just how badly your knock-off claw might do.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,711
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Re: Anchors

I'm concerned at the post below stating you should buy a Spade anchor. I did and used it in Maine for a season and the aluminum version is tough to set.. I have owned and do own a Delta, CQR, Spade A80, Fortress & Bruce I prefer the Bruce at this point. I had terrible luck last season with my Spade A80. My thinking is that at 14 Lbs. it does not have enough wieght to "dig in". In one location we tried seven times to set the Spade with no luck so I went to my lazarette and pulled out my trusty Bruce 33. Guess what it set the first time! I would rank my anchors in this order in terms of effectiveness. 1- Bruce 2- Delta Fast Set 3-Fortress 4- Spade A80 5- CQR. As for knock off Bruce anchors I read the Bruce site but also compared a Bruce 33# and a Manta Claw 33# at Hamilton marine last week for a back up to my Bruce. After about 30 minutes of measuring, tip to tip, fluke lengths and angles I determined the Manta is an "exact" copy of the Bruce. It is also a cast anchor and carries a lifetime warranty! I already own a genuine Bruce 33 so I have no vested interest in knock off claws. The fortress is a very strong holding anchor as long as you're guaranteed to stay pulling in the same direction. I've had mine break out on a wind/tide shift numerous times so it's now a stern anchor only. The Bruce 33 sets and holds most often on my first try. I've had it hold our old 30 footer in a 50 knot storm despite it not being a high holding design. I once made a dive on the Bruce pulling one direction and it was buried very deep. That night we swung 180 degrees and the wind came up to about 20-25 knots at about 4:00 a.m.. The next morning I made another dive and it was buried even deeper going 180 degrees the other way! The CQR sets and holds about 80% of the time on the first try but has un-set during wind/tide shifts. It seems to get weeds wrapped around the shaft, near the hinge preventing a deep set in eel grass & weeds. The Delta sets at about 90% first time but breaks free more than the CQR on wind tide shifts. Diving on the Delta I notice it will really bury it's self in a strong one direction pull but I still don't trust it for swinging, don;t know why though. The Spade came with a powerboat we bought and later sold. Due to glowing reports I decided to try it on our sailboat as our primary anchor. When it does bury it does not appear to go as deep in the mud as the Delta or Bruce (actually dove on it numerous times) but once set it does seem to hold well. I would think that the galvanized version would set & hold better due to weight. One thing that scares me about using this anchor in clay like mud is that it traps mud in its spoon like shape so when it comes time to re-set the clay/mud does not "clear its self" and makes it very hard to re-bury on a wind tide shift. It broke out on me 5 times in one season under relatively benign conditions. We anchor out approx 65 to 70 days per year and have been doing it for 18+ years on boats 30 feet or larger. We anchor in mostly mud bottoms but occasionally sandy gravel and hard clay/mud. This is just my .02 don't spend it all in one place..... Click on the link so you'll know what not to buy!
 
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Daryl

Get the Claw

I have them all on my vessel, Bruce, Claw, CQR, and spade. The claw is my primary anchor and works better in almost all cases. I do however prefer the CQR in weeds
 
Feb 1, 2006
32
Beneteau 361 Chicago
Found this interesting

I found this comparison very interesting and informative. You might enjoy this link as much as I did.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Jack and All

One thing I have to say, which you may already know, is that you have to consider the source on these posts. If the poster is not somebody you reconnize, then be sceptical. If I were an anchor maker, I'd be hanging around these sites waiting for somebody to start an anchor war/thread. It's great advertisement to have a "Sailor" give testimony that an anchor works. I'm not saying that any of these posters on this site are fake and just advertising a brand, but these threads sure do seem to produce an allfull lot of sailors and I do know that some anchor makers hang out at other sites.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
The best holding

In my opinion, if you want the best possible holding power, then this is what you have to do. Set a Bahamium anchors (one heading into the wind and one 180 the other way with same scope on each...both off the bow). Use either a Danforth or a Fortress for both. Why? Because nothing has the holding power of a Danforth or Fortress in most bottoms (not grass or rock) if your always pulling one direction. It's evident because these anchors, once set, have the most resistance in the pulling direction. The Bahamium setup will insure that you are always pulling on the anchors in one direction.
 
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tom

the most important thing about an anchor

Is where you drop the thing!!!! Almost any anchor is alright in a protected cove with a sticky mud bottom!!!!! Most anchors have trouble in weeds and rocks. The main advantage of the claw type anchor(bruce) is that it tends to reset after wind shifts. Pound for pound you can't beat a danforth but it won't always reset!!(been there done that) . CQR and plows will often slide over grass(been there done that).
 
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AXEL

I own then all...

I have a Claw, Danforth and a Simpson Fastset Plow. The Claw has a hard time with a hard, weedy bottom. Danforth will drag and load up with eel grass. The plow IMO works the best, breaks thru a hard bottom and holds in weeds, sand & mud. It also sets (weighted tip)and breaks out very easy. I've had dragging problems with the Danforth and the claw, the plow is my main anchor. I can go on & on about it and experiences I've had, I highly recommend. AND I DON'T WORK FOR AN ANCHOR MANUFACTURER!
 

shorty

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Apr 14, 2005
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Pearson P34 Mt Desert, ME
Links to tests

Here's a back door to the PS tests 98,99,99,01,03 http://www.practical-sailor.com/boatus/anchors/4rhod4598/ Here's the west coast tests from the mid 90's http://www.ussailing.org/safety/Anchor/anchor_study.htm
 
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