This thread is for RichH, Alan, Joe from San Diego, Stu J and anyone else who can shed light on this subject for me. I'm really not into wetted surfaces, lift/drag curves etc. I just know how to make that stuff work for me. In other words, I'm a seat of the pants type sailor who happens to know a lot about sail trim and not much about anything else related to sailing but I have to explain this stuff to beginners, who I'd lose in a minute if I started talking about curves etc.
I need to know something before I head to Phoenix in a couple of months for a sail trim seminar. Here's my premise - lift comes from 3 things - the sails, the keel and the rudder (when you induce about 5 degrees from neutral). I see closehauled boats all the time heeled over so far that I can see the barnacles on the bottom of the keel and the rudder is half way out of the water and the crew is hanging over the side. My thought is they are losing lift from 2 elements (keel & rudder) and I think two MATCHED boats (the only kind of racing I really like) going head to head, the boat heeled about 15 degrees heel will win over the 25 to 35 degree heeler every time. Two or three boats in trail with a bunch of heel, which is what you see all the time, will never gain on each other because they are in the same lift situation.
When I lived in So Ca I would attend the Congressional Cup races where there were 12 matched C37 racing with top crews from all over the world. I really didn't care about the race as such. I watched the sails, the boats and crew positions very closely with high power binnoculars to see how they did it. None of these boats were ever massively heeled over. I didn't care WHY they were doing what they were doing I just wanted to see WHAT they were doing on a particular point of sail and wind condition and I made notes to myself. A lot of these notes appear in my book and SAIL TRIM CHART
So, help me out. Am I "all wet" so to speak!! How can I explain this from a scientific point of view but in plain English. Maybe it can't be done. If it can, I know you guys can do it. I spouted off my theory about two matched boats going head to head with one heeled way over and the other with small heel, at the Lake Havasu Pocket Cruisers Convention and prayed to God nobody challenged me on the subject - thank God no one did.
I need to know something before I head to Phoenix in a couple of months for a sail trim seminar. Here's my premise - lift comes from 3 things - the sails, the keel and the rudder (when you induce about 5 degrees from neutral). I see closehauled boats all the time heeled over so far that I can see the barnacles on the bottom of the keel and the rudder is half way out of the water and the crew is hanging over the side. My thought is they are losing lift from 2 elements (keel & rudder) and I think two MATCHED boats (the only kind of racing I really like) going head to head, the boat heeled about 15 degrees heel will win over the 25 to 35 degree heeler every time. Two or three boats in trail with a bunch of heel, which is what you see all the time, will never gain on each other because they are in the same lift situation.
When I lived in So Ca I would attend the Congressional Cup races where there were 12 matched C37 racing with top crews from all over the world. I really didn't care about the race as such. I watched the sails, the boats and crew positions very closely with high power binnoculars to see how they did it. None of these boats were ever massively heeled over. I didn't care WHY they were doing what they were doing I just wanted to see WHAT they were doing on a particular point of sail and wind condition and I made notes to myself. A lot of these notes appear in my book and SAIL TRIM CHART
So, help me out. Am I "all wet" so to speak!! How can I explain this from a scientific point of view but in plain English. Maybe it can't be done. If it can, I know you guys can do it. I spouted off my theory about two matched boats going head to head with one heeled way over and the other with small heel, at the Lake Havasu Pocket Cruisers Convention and prayed to God nobody challenged me on the subject - thank God no one did.