America Cup

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May 17, 2004
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Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
I've been watching the races - actually, only the tail end because they are televised starting at 5:30AM here in Tucson, which is a might too early for me. Too bad the US got knocked out. Wonder what caused it?. I assume poor tacticsbut can anyone bring me up to date. Our local papers contain zero coverage. In fact they were not even publishing the TV schedule until a local sailor sent a "letter to the editor". The next day they included the times. Hope my Aussie buddies have a good showing. Anyway, if you really want to see great sail shape you should watch these boats and try to duplicate their sail shape on your boat. You may not be able to get there but give it a go and see how close you can get. Notice how the jib and mainsail mirror each other. Also notice the amount of heel and compare that with some of the boats in your area (maybe yours) some of whom sail with so much heel you can see their keel bolts. Another thing to notice is the lack of twist in the mainsail on the AC boats. Twist wastes power and these guys will squeeze every ounce of power they can get out of the sail - thus zero twist. If your looking for twist you'll never se it on a AC boat.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
starts are the best part

Don I wish I had their sails but that's another matter. What you'd REALLY appreciate is seeing how they dial-up at the start within a boat length and manage to stay straight while going backwards.
 
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two penalties before they crossed the start line

That can't help. I heard today the the Cutty Sark was damaged by fire. Not sure how bad it is but according to the report, before being towed for repair, Cutty Sark beat BMW/Oracle 3-2. As a non-racer, I'm just tickled pink my old half blownout sails are still in one peice after each sail. But Don, love your book. Here's my question. If the powers that be could make these fat cats race in a production boat which would you vote for? Don't ya think the racing might be more interesting. Instead of those shots from the belly as the kite comes down they could show a crew member making tea for the downwind leg! Hmmmmm . . . Mike
 

KennyH

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Apr 10, 2007
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Hunter 25 Elizabeth City NC
They won their first race and did something stupid

They won the first race with good tactics and a boat that was faster downwind which they used to their advantage. They them proceeded to modify the underbody because they thought they needed more manuverabliity at the start. Boat was slower on downwind for sure. Seems like a bad call to me but what do I know.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Chris Dixon....

...was acting like a spoiled child getting those two penalties. AC boat racing is often won and lost in the prestart and Dixon gave the race away. Haven't come up with a favoite yet but Prada looks VERY strong.
 
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GParish

First time watching

enjoying it greatly. The pre race dialup is indeed exciting. BMW/Oracle lost 5 in a row. Whatever the problems, they were soundly beaten by any estimation. No one thing could have caused that. Hated to see them lose, but it wasn't even close. They never rounded a mark in the lead on the last 5 races.
 
May 2, 2007
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- - Manitowoc, WI
What network and times for races?

How do you find out when the racing is on and on what network. Occasionally we have accidentally caught the last 10 minutes of a race but don't seem to be able to find out when it will be on again.
 
May 2, 2007
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Versus channel?????

WE don't get a versus channel. I think we picked it up on Outdoor Life channel but it isn't in our tv guide.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Narragansett Bay

Don (Illusion): Good to hear from someone from RI. I grew up on Narragansett Bay. We lived in Edgewood by Edgewood YC. Edgewood YC was the center of my social life in the summer. I was lost in the winter. Right about the sails on the AC boats but even with a poor set of sails a mate can still strive to get as close as he can to make each sail mirror each other.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Production Boats

Mike (Knoxville): Thank you and I'm glad you liked my book. I'm not sure of your question but if I was looking for a production boat to just race it would be a J boat. If that was not your question - refire it.
 

RickS

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Jan 28, 2007
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Jeanneau 39i-P Milwaukee, WI
Versus channel and DVR

We DVR the AC boradcast on Versus network and watch it at our leasure and fastforward through all the commercials. Great technology.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,695
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Don Guilette

Tuscon, huh? I won't ask... We live in Cranston not far from EYC which nowaday is primarily a powerboaters marina. Greenwich Bay and East G YC have all the masts now and obviously Newport too. If you ever get back this way, let us know but only for social/sailing reasons, not trim lessons - our son races and every time we go out he makes me tired just watching him tweak the sails. What I was referring to about the AC sails is how light Kevlar/carbon fiber are to handle compared to my 100 lb main and flat too!
 

BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
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Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
The boats are so similar.....

that it comes down to tactics, and the BMW/Oracle afterguard got soundly thrashed in all 6 races, only managing to win #2 with superior down-wind speed. Then, as KennyH mentioned, they proceeded to throw even THAT small advantage away! Thus far, it looks like Torben Grael, the tactician on Luna Rossa, is the master, especially when teamed up with James Spithill at the helm. Although they lost 2 races to the Spanish boat, Emirates/NZ hasn't been tested quite as roughly as Luna Rossa, at least in my opinion. As fun as it is to watch the pre-race dialup (despite the horrendous TV coverage - you'd think that they'd get the idea that people would want to be able to tell where the boats are in relation to the start line, wouldn't you?), sometimes I'd like to see them start from a dock/bouy, sails down. Let them flip for which side they start on, but basically whichever boat can get sails up and underway faster gets the edge.... just like old Grand Prix races, where the drivers ran across the track to their cars. :) It's hard for me to see Alinghi beating either of these boats - I know they sailed in some of the 'Acts', but there's just no substitute for on-the-water, in-your-face racing on the course they are going to use. Both the challengers have raced more than 20 races on that course, and I see that as a big advantage as well. Maybe Larry Ellison will stay home in his Japanese home in Los Gatos next time - many of the other teams, notably the Spanish, breathed some real life into the proceedings.... I personally have heard enough from Mr. Ellison, and if I never see him point his yellow laser range finder again, my life will be better for it. ;D Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
 
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