Also, why NOT the Vega?

roy

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Feb 1, 2009
186
2 270 soldiers point
Hello,
I am just as or maybe more interested in why one would NOT choose the Vega. It is nice to know about the boats negative points. If we put them out there, then solutions or upgrades may be found.
Roy
 
Dec 15, 2006
139
OK, I'll bite,

Why NOT the Vega? Since I have had my Vega in the water only a
month and a half, my experience sailing her is not extensive. So
guys, correct me if I am wrong here.

First why NOT: Maybe it is just my lack of sailing experience, but
it seems everybody else on the SF Bay can point into the wind better
than I can, especially in light winds. 35 degrees with a stiff wind
and reasonable forward progress, 40 degrees but very slow, and only
with a good breeze. 45 degrees? Forget it. Maybe it's me and my
lack of experience, maybe it is my full keel and their fin keels, I
don't know. Seems like whatever is going on below the water line
(ie waves, current) affects me more than it does other boats of
similar size. Then again, I'm not very good at judging hull length
on the water. We have passed some 40 footers that I first thought
were 28. Lately, I am going by the number of windows in the cabin
to judge hull length. With that perspective, maybe it's because
most other boats on the bay are longer than I am. All the other
small boats have the common sense to say home in rough weather,
except the vega
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Cos it doesnt go this fast:


(Chieftain - Irish winner of Fastnet race ....)

:)

John

Vega 1447 Breakaway (pleased if I get 6 knots on the wind ...)

Larry Bissell wrote:
 

mphalv

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Sep 29, 2001
195
Dear Larry,

If you do not have a dodger/spray hood, I highly recommend that you get one.
Makes all the difference in the world!

Smooth Sailing.

Melanie & Paul Halvachs
V1826 Double Fantasy


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Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Larry,
She's not going to point as high as a fin keel/spade rudder setup,
but she can still be out there long after the racers have run for
cover.
Sail condition makes a big difference to pointing ability. I was
pleasantly surprised at the improvement a new suit of sails and a
clean bottom make. Try sailing on a close reach to get your speed up,
then slowly point higher, trimming as you go, and still keeping the
speed up.

I find a good set of tell-tails very useful. There's an interesting
animated web site that has helped me a lot at

I agree about the wet foredeck. I had a San Juan 24 (fin keel/spade
rudder) that had a very fine bow and a fat midships. She would slice
through the waves with a dry foredeck, but lacked the nice stable
motion of the Vega in heavier seas. I got away without a spray
hood/dodger on that boat, but, in my opinion, it's a 'must have' on a
Vega. Sure makes for comfortable sailing.

Why the vega? My Vega purchase was strictly a left-brained, common
sense decision, based on facts and figures ... unlike my previous
boat purchases!

I still look at other boats, but the Vega always calls me back. She's
the perfect little ship for me, in all respects.

Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Apr 28, 2000
691
Aloha Ka'kou,

Let me just jump in here and say that, after a recent three thousand
mile Pacific crossing featuring a wide range of wind and sea
conditions, We are very pleased with our Vega. Lealea handled
everything Mother Nature threw at her with aplomb and grace and we
were very comfortable and felt safe at all times; even when we were
forced to heave to and go below. None of the problems that we
experienced were with original equipment items. The only failures
were with things that had been replaced since the boat was new.

We agree with previous comments - new sails properly trimmed and a
clean bottom do wonders for performance and we do need to get a spray
hood/dodger before we leave the Pacific Northwest.

Malie ke kai,

Chuck Rose
SV Lealea, V1860
Honolulu
(On the hard in Port Townsend, WA)
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Hi,
Adding to Peters comments..

I came across something that mentioned that boats with taller sails will point better than those with shorter sails. Seems the Vega has a slightly shorter mast than other similar size boats. But I guess the taller mast boats will have to reef earlier.

Also, when I raced for a couple of years we found that when we tuned (tightened) up our forestay-backstay-shrouds properly, we got a significant improvement in our ability to point.

The problem is that when I got the actual tune specs for the boat we were racing, the numbers seemed frighteningly high. We only went about 2/3 rds to the suggested tensions.

Roy
 
Oct 2, 2005
465
When I first saw a Vega at the docks, surrounded by other sailboats,
one of my first comments was "Good, it's a short mast." because I
don't like heights much, and the mast is plenty tall for me, when I'm
looking down from the top. Which brings up that other optical
illusion, that everyone else points higher than me. ;-)

When I decided to buy a new boat I began by looking at the Westsail
28, and though, overtime, decided that perhaps heavy displacement on a
short waterline, along with other issues, made the Westsail unsuitable
for us, I kept comparing other boats to it. One of the strengths of
the Westsail is it's small cockpit, not much more than a footwell
really, and just the opposite of the Vega's. The volume of the
Vega's, to the level of the aft coaming, is about 49 cubic feet. A
boarding wave would put an astonishing 3100 pounds of water in the
stern, or over 60% of the unloaded boats displacement. Even if boat
motion were to throw out most of it, perhaps leaving only 3 inches
covering the seats, she would still be carrying and extra 1100 pounds.
This would take forever to drain from the two small drains provided
and make the boat vulnerable to additional waves. I think the
original companionway is not up to that kind of abuse, and that weight
of water could probably tear the locker lids up as well. Visions of
David Mercy and Walt Brown standing knee deep and bailing with buckets
encouraged me to purchase 2, 2 inch through hulls which will be
installed, from the aft cockpit bulkhead to the stern, in the next few
weeks. The air vent/intake on the port cockpit wall, instead of
draining below, will eventually be covered with a disk of clear
acrylic and a cockpit light installed behind it. Perhaps not a reason
to "not purchase" a Vega but worth thinking about.
Craig Tern #1519
 
Dec 15, 2006
139
Craig,

I like your idea of putting larger cockpit drains in, and also
converting the vent to a light. Makes good sense to me. The other
thing in the cockpit I was wondering about were the switches, and
the ignition switch and engine kill lever, all mounted low. If
there was a wave that filled the cockpit, it would probably short
out all the switches, including the ignition switch. Just something
to think about if you are planning a trip across the big pond.

Larry Bissell
albinvega1493@...
"Kemanalea" SF Bay/Vallejo
 
Dec 13, 2006
227
I would have to echo the comments about the Vega's "lack of desire" to sail close to the wind. On my maiden voyage up the New England Coast, I encountered a 15-18 knt wind with gusts up to 23. Unfortunately, the wind was NE and blowing straight into my face. After a 6.5 knt race out of Mattapoisett, MA off the wind, I came to a screeching hault once through the canal and into Cape Cod Bay. I made Plymouth Harbor at nightfall which after calculating my speed, discovered that I made roughly 1.2 knots up the Bay.

I would have also set either the sink to the Portside, or the head to the portside as it never made sense to me why one would place a salt water intake on the same side as the toilet discharge??

I would toss the boom furling as mine is frozen and no longer works. It was a nice idea, but I have heard from others that this design has caused some problems.

The last thing I would mention is the location of the winches and how they seem to interfere with the lifelines, though this has actually been less of a problem that I originally thought, But I still need to do some adjusting with the lifelines to allow for the sheets to run free to the winches.

Despite some of the shortcomings (and they do seem minor once put on paper), these boats are just a joy to sail off wind and in heavy weather (though I have yet to sail her in anything above 30 knots). I feel completely safe and comforted in her capabilities and her simplistic and economic design suits our needs just fine. I wouldn't trade her for the world! I write this as I sip coffee from my Vega mug!!! grin

Chris
V1865

vegatern vegatern@... wrote: When I first saw a Vega at the docks, surrounded by other sailboats,
one of my first comments was "Good, it's a short mast." because I
don't like heights much, and the mast is plenty tall for me, when I'm
looking down from the top. Which brings up that other optical
illusion, that everyone else points higher than me. ;-)

When I decided to buy a new boat I began by looking at the Westsail
28, and though, overtime, decided that perhaps heavy displacement on a
short waterline, along with other issues, made the Westsail unsuitable
for us, I kept comparing other boats to it. One of the strengths of
the Westsail is it's small cockpit, not much more than a footwell
really, and just the opposite of the Vega's. The volume of the
Vega's, to the level of the aft coaming, is about 49 cubic feet. A
boarding wave would put an astonishing 3100 pounds of water in the
stern, or over 60% of the unloaded boats displacement. Even if boat
motion were to throw out most of it, perhaps leaving only 3 inches
covering the seats, she would still be carrying and extra 1100 pounds.
This would take forever to drain from the two small drains provided
and make the boat vulnerable to additional waves. I think the
original companionway is not up to that kind of abuse, and that weight
of water could probably tear the locker lids up as well. Visions of
David Mercy and Walt Brown standing knee deep and bailing with buckets
encouraged me to purchase 2, 2 inch through hulls which will be
installed, from the aft cockpit bulkhead to the stern, in the next few
weeks. The air vent/intake on the port cockpit wall, instead of
draining below, will eventually be covered with a disk of clear
acrylic and a cockpit light installed behind it. Perhaps not a reason
to "not purchase" a Vega but worth thinking about.
Craig Tern #1519
 
Dec 13, 2006
227
Hi Everyone!

My Barometer has a crack in the Crystal and was wondering if anyone knew of a place that might carry replacement glass/crystals for such a repair?

Thanks!
Chris
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Hi,
Did anyone see the figure in the Vega handbook that comes with the boat, and it shows the speed diagram for the boat in 16 knots of wind with the jib #1?

This chart shows a maximum of 6.5 knots at about 110 degrees off the wind (zero being head on the wind). At 45 degrees, it shows about 5.4 knots. At 35 degrees it shows about 4.9 knots.

Is anyone getting that on their boat?

I have two different copies of the handbook and only one has this figure in it.

Roy
 
Nov 26, 2002
41
Hi Chris,
If you can't get it from a supplyer,try a good clock
repair place.They should have the right size glass,and
may be able to drill it.At least there is a guy in
Toledo Ohio who does it.
Emil.
 
Dec 13, 2006
227
I will try that!
Thanks for the tip Emil!
Chris

Emil Nagy emilnagy_45701@... wrote: Hi Chris,
If you can't get it from a supplyer,try a good clock
repair place.They should have the right size glass,and
may be able to drill it.At least there is a guy in
Toledo Ohio who does it.
Emil.
 
Dec 13, 2006
227
HI folks!

A few weeks ago, I discovered a nasty fuel leak that was caused by a severed fuel supply line that was carefully hidden by duct and electrical tape; cosequently, one morning I discovered the boat riding low in the stern and thought that she had taken on water. Instead, I found the entire bilge filled with the diesel fuel that I had topped her off with the evening before.

I was able to remove the fuel with a siphoning bulb and a few empty water containers, but the bilge is saturated with this fuel residue and the cabin reeks of diesel. I can't get around or below the fuel tank (obviously) to scrub and clean so I was wondering if anyone had ever experienced this before and if you used some kind of cleaning agent that eats away the fuel while cleaning the bilge???

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Clothing and fabric that is left below decks picks up this odor too and it is getting to be a real problem.

Thanks everyone!
Chris
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
My best guess is Dawn and time. Rinse-and-repeat many times.

But that brings up another stinking problem I had last year..
I tried to order all new fuel hoses for my boat. Was dealing with the local supplier of custom hoses for the trucking industry. They screwed up my order a bunch of times. I never did get them.

Does anyone have a good supplier for these hoses?
I think the threads on the tank are not all standard ones.

Roy
 
Dec 11, 2007
179
- - port st. lucie,fl.
Roy-
Are you talking the 1/4" hose from the tank to the engine? I just
went to my local auto parts and got 1/4" fuel hose. Clamped it on.
For the hoses with banjo fittings, I got them made at a supplier of
hydraulic hoses and fitting.
Richard V1812
 
Dec 15, 2006
139
I had a similar fuel spill in my vega. Mine was leaking water into
the bilge until the water came over the top of the tank and leaked
water into the tank via a loose fitting (the fill fitting at the back
of the tank, hose clamp rusted out -- no you can't get to it without
pulling the tank). The diesel fuel of course is lighter than water,
so I had several inches of diesel fuel on top of the water. Made me
so mad I pulled out the tank and put in an 18 gallon moeller tank
behind the right cockpit locker. The way I see it, nobody in his
right mind would have put a fuel tank where it might someday be below
the water line. I have two extra 18 gal.moeller tanks for $60 each
plus shipping if anyone is interested. I was going to put them in an
Islander 32 I used to have. Never had fuel in them. They include the
sending unit. The diesel smell in mine finally went away after a lot
of rinsing and cleaning.

Larry Bissell
albinvega1493@...
"kemanalea" SF Bay area
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Hi Richard,
Going by memory here..

But as you are looking toward the engine and down on the fuel tank hatch, the hose fitting on the left is the only one with a clamp. I think that one is the return. Then the middle one and farthest forward, is the fuel supply to the engine. This is a threaded connection. Then on the right is the vent.

The only one they did right is the one where all they had to do was cut a piece of hose (no connectors).

By the way, if I fill my tank up too much, like until I see fuel in the neck of the fill on deck, it will leak into the boat somewhere. I can only fill to the top of the tank.

Roy
#1813
 
Dec 13, 2006
227
Larry,

I think a number of people have chosen to move the tank higher up, and it certainly makes perfect sense to me. My only question is how you have found the change in ballast to be? I kind of like having that weight down low. With an 18 gallon tank at roughly 8 lbs / gallon, one is looking at roughly 150 lbs of weight up somewhere where it was not considered in the original design. Have you found it to be an issue? Does the boat ride low in the stern? Do you miss having those nice deep storage lockers?

Chris

Larry Bissell albinvega1493@... wrote: I had a similar fuel spill in my vega. Mine was leaking water into
the bilge until the water came over the top of the tank and leaked
water into the tank via a loose fitting (the fill fitting at the back
of the tank, hose clamp rusted out -- no you can't get to it without
pulling the tank). The diesel fuel of course is lighter than water,
so I had several inches of diesel fuel on top of the water. Made me
so mad I pulled out the tank and put in an 18 gallon moeller tank
behind the right cockpit locker. The way I see it, nobody in his
right mind would have put a fuel tank where it might someday be below
the water line. I have two extra 18 gal.moeller tanks for $60 each
plus shipping if anyone is interested. I was going to put them in an
Islander 32 I used to have. Never had fuel in them. They include the
sending unit. The diesel smell in mine finally went away after a lot
of rinsing and cleaning.

Larry Bissell
albinvega1493@...
"kemanalea" SF Bay area