We have a Kenyon pressurized alcohol two burner stove on our 1979 Hunter 27. It has not been operating properly( sputtery regardless of pressure) and the burners look beat. Kenyon will rebuild it for $190 or there are several new ,non-pressurized alcohol units available or gas ( butane and propane) which are all in the $400-500. range. Does anyone have experience or advice on replacing or repairing this unit? We liked it when it operated properly although the flare-ups at start up are a little disconcerting,but controlable.
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How are you going to use it?
If you are only going to use the stove on a limited basis I would opt for A Force 10 1 burner gimbaled stove for about $120.00 or less. This can be used to cook soup, stews and coffee. If you are in need of more burners, I would get an outside rail mounted propnae bottle grill. If you still need more, I would opt for a single gas burner cartridge stove you can get for less than $50.00. I would not rebuild the Kenyon no matter what. The Origo is far simpler and does an excellent job.
If you are only going to use the stove on a limited basis I would opt for A Force 10 1 burner gimbaled stove for about $120.00 or less. This can be used to cook soup, stews and coffee. If you are in need of more burners, I would get an outside rail mounted propnae bottle grill. If you still need more, I would opt for a single gas burner cartridge stove you can get for less than $50.00. I would not rebuild the Kenyon no matter what. The Origo is far simpler and does an excellent job.
replace with origo
After 23 years the Kenyon stove on my H27 needed a major rebuild. We replaced it with an Origo 4100. The Kenyon stove served us well for many seasons, but the Origo stove is a great improvement. No longer do I have to "clear the area" for morning coffee. The Kenyon's flare ups did wake me up quicker than the coffee. But I can do without that.
After 23 years the Kenyon stove on my H27 needed a major rebuild. We replaced it with an Origo 4100. The Kenyon stove served us well for many seasons, but the Origo stove is a great improvement. No longer do I have to "clear the area" for morning coffee. The Kenyon's flare ups did wake me up quicker than the coffee. But I can do without that.
Changed to Propane
John, I am replacing my alcohol stove with a 2 burner propane,very little mod work ,looks great. Stove cost $80.00 new. Hope this helps.
John, I am replacing my alcohol stove with a 2 burner propane,very little mod work ,looks great. Stove cost $80.00 new. Hope this helps.
Stove follow-up
Thanks for the replies so far. I'm not sure how to respond directly to individual suggestions so I'll just post this follow-up: Jeff - What model Origo were you referring to? Carter - What brand is your 2 burner propane stove and is it set into the counter like the original alcohol stove? Also, what is the size of the propane tank and where do you stow it? Lastly, what was the approx. cost of the new installation?
Thanks for the replies so far. I'm not sure how to respond directly to individual suggestions so I'll just post this follow-up: Jeff - What model Origo were you referring to? Carter - What brand is your 2 burner propane stove and is it set into the counter like the original alcohol stove? Also, what is the size of the propane tank and where do you stow it? Lastly, what was the approx. cost of the new installation?
camping stove
I also removed our old Kenyon pressurized alcohol stove. We put a good camping stove on the boat as a temporary measure until we found the stove of our dreams. Turns out this $50 camping stove is the one of our dreams. It uses the small propane bottles that can either be refilled or replaced, depends on what we need and have at the time. We really don't cook while underway off shore so it works great for our needs. If we were crossing oceans than it wouldn't do but for our coastal cruising it works great.
I also removed our old Kenyon pressurized alcohol stove. We put a good camping stove on the boat as a temporary measure until we found the stove of our dreams. Turns out this $50 camping stove is the one of our dreams. It uses the small propane bottles that can either be refilled or replaced, depends on what we need and have at the time. We really don't cook while underway off shore so it works great for our needs. If we were crossing oceans than it wouldn't do but for our coastal cruising it works great.
No Portable Camping Stoves please
I DO NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF PORTABLE STOVES (of any fuel type)within the living spaces of a boat - and respectfully suggest that anyone offering advice on Stoves (etc) should first familiarize themselves with the several ABYC Sections, and the CFR’s dealing with this issue: A-1 - LPG Systems A-3 - Galley Stoves (Including LPG, CNG, & Liquids like Alcohol, kerosene, & diesel) A-14 - Gasoline & LPG Detection Systems A-22 - CNG Systems A-24 - CO Detection Systems A-26 - LPG & CNG Appliances (Portable) Please excuse my shouting, Respecfully, Gord
I DO NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF PORTABLE STOVES (of any fuel type)within the living spaces of a boat - and respectfully suggest that anyone offering advice on Stoves (etc) should first familiarize themselves with the several ABYC Sections, and the CFR’s dealing with this issue: A-1 - LPG Systems A-3 - Galley Stoves (Including LPG, CNG, & Liquids like Alcohol, kerosene, & diesel) A-14 - Gasoline & LPG Detection Systems A-22 - CNG Systems A-24 - CO Detection Systems A-26 - LPG & CNG Appliances (Portable) Please excuse my shouting, Respecfully, Gord
I agree with steve
Though it's not the perfect solution we have used a camping stove for years. On a lake. We never cooked underway and anchored deep in coves. Propane is the only way to go to avoid flareups. That said, we like our pressurised alcohol stove on gimbles that we now have on our new larger boat. My wife routinely heats soup and drinks while we are sailing in Mobile bay. Even under choppy conditions she hasn't had any trouble. ((I've warned her to be carefull but she won't listen and has declared herself co-captain and since her name is on the title she has a point.))) Like all things dealing with boats think about how you will use it. Without a doubt if money is not a factor a built in system is nicer. But if you are only going to be cooking a little every now and then you've probably got a better way to spend your money.
Though it's not the perfect solution we have used a camping stove for years. On a lake. We never cooked underway and anchored deep in coves. Propane is the only way to go to avoid flareups. That said, we like our pressurised alcohol stove on gimbles that we now have on our new larger boat. My wife routinely heats soup and drinks while we are sailing in Mobile bay. Even under choppy conditions she hasn't had any trouble. ((I've warned her to be carefull but she won't listen and has declared herself co-captain and since her name is on the title she has a point.))) Like all things dealing with boats think about how you will use it. Without a doubt if money is not a factor a built in system is nicer. But if you are only going to be cooking a little every now and then you've probably got a better way to spend your money.
Origo non pressuerized
We changed to the Origo non pressurized alcohol stove and oven and find it awesome!!!! It is the safest mode of cooking with fuel you can put on the boat. It is also the simplest equipment to operate. It does take a while to bring the oven up to temp but the burners are as quick as you could want. My wife would not have any thing else as we are not comfy with LP regarding potential leaks etc.
We changed to the Origo non pressurized alcohol stove and oven and find it awesome!!!! It is the safest mode of cooking with fuel you can put on the boat. It is also the simplest equipment to operate. It does take a while to bring the oven up to temp but the burners are as quick as you could want. My wife would not have any thing else as we are not comfy with LP regarding potential leaks etc.
kenyon stove repair
West Marine had the repair kits for our pressurised alcohol stoves. They are not listed in current catalog so I would call and ask.
West Marine had the repair kits for our pressurised alcohol stoves. They are not listed in current catalog so I would call and ask.
have to agree with Gord May NO CAMP STOVES
camping stoves are not built for the abuse it will receive during storage on a boat eventually it will leak. I switched from kenyon to origo, they are very basic not much to fail. very user friendly.
camping stoves are not built for the abuse it will receive during storage on a boat eventually it will leak. I switched from kenyon to origo, they are very basic not much to fail. very user friendly.
Repair it. No problem!
I ordered three complete rebuild kits from the manufacturer last fall. Was a breeze. Call them and they will even send a manual and give tips on rebuilding. Works like I imagine it did new. Obviously you will still have a slight flare up if you don't prime properly, but hey for under $100 I can't complain.
I ordered three complete rebuild kits from the manufacturer last fall. Was a breeze. Call them and they will even send a manual and give tips on rebuilding. Works like I imagine it did new. Obviously you will still have a slight flare up if you don't prime properly, but hey for under $100 I can't complain.
Stove follow up
John, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. The stove that I have is a " PERFECT CHEF" and can be found at an R/V dealer. It does not require alot of work to install,but it is a flush mount. I plan to use the small propane canisters in lew of a big tank as they are so much easier and safer to use. Hope this helps and good luck. Carter
John, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. The stove that I have is a " PERFECT CHEF" and can be found at an R/V dealer. It does not require alot of work to install,but it is a flush mount. I plan to use the small propane canisters in lew of a big tank as they are so much easier and safer to use. Hope this helps and good luck. Carter
and finally
Gord, thanx for your concern. You are correct in your information, I can't and won't argue with that. I also feel that there are different boats for different people, different types of sailing, living, cooking, camping etc, etc, for everybody. My system might not be the best or even the safest however it works for us and many people like us who basicially only cook at anchor and even take them to shore for our camping trips. As for safety, how many of you out there in cyber land smoke, drink, drive without a seat belt, ride a motor cycle without a helmet or sail with no PFD on? Not everything we do meets our fine governments standards but it gets us through our life happily. To each his own, lets all go boating and enjoy every day. Life is too short to get cought up in every tiny rule, regulation and micro-managed government law.
Gord, thanx for your concern. You are correct in your information, I can't and won't argue with that. I also feel that there are different boats for different people, different types of sailing, living, cooking, camping etc, etc, for everybody. My system might not be the best or even the safest however it works for us and many people like us who basicially only cook at anchor and even take them to shore for our camping trips. As for safety, how many of you out there in cyber land smoke, drink, drive without a seat belt, ride a motor cycle without a helmet or sail with no PFD on? Not everything we do meets our fine governments standards but it gets us through our life happily. To each his own, lets all go boating and enjoy every day. Life is too short to get cought up in every tiny rule, regulation and micro-managed government law.
Really?
Steven - Gord is 100% correct. There is no room to play here. Your insurance is null and void if you don't have the correct approvals on an appliance installed on your boat and it starts a fire or worse - suffocates someone. If you value your life and your loved ones - play by the rules. Cheers,
Steven - Gord is 100% correct. There is no room to play here. Your insurance is null and void if you don't have the correct approvals on an appliance installed on your boat and it starts a fire or worse - suffocates someone. If you value your life and your loved ones - play by the rules. Cheers,
Jim, I'm waiting for the Government to outlaw
skydiving. Or make us jump over a really big cushion.
skydiving. Or make us jump over a really big cushion.
relative risks
How we tend to focus on relatively minor risks. The most likely way to die is a heart attack,then cancer. Only 6% of deaths are accidental/violent(1999). By far the most common way to die accidentally was a car wreck. Surprisingly to me the second was suicide with a rate of about 140/million people/year for each of these. In 1999 30/million died by drowning or suffocation. Most of these were children less than 5 years old. So even though it makes great headlines not a lot of people are suffocating. If our government really wanted to do something significant to improve our health they would outlaw tobacco which is responsible for most of the heart attack and cancer deaths. Instead they worry that we might have fun on our boats!!!!
How we tend to focus on relatively minor risks. The most likely way to die is a heart attack,then cancer. Only 6% of deaths are accidental/violent(1999). By far the most common way to die accidentally was a car wreck. Surprisingly to me the second was suicide with a rate of about 140/million people/year for each of these. In 1999 30/million died by drowning or suffocation. Most of these were children less than 5 years old. So even though it makes great headlines not a lot of people are suffocating. If our government really wanted to do something significant to improve our health they would outlaw tobacco which is responsible for most of the heart attack and cancer deaths. Instead they worry that we might have fun on our boats!!!!
Tom, every now and then,,,
I run into one of my old Police buddies who still think the War on Drugs is a good thing. But most agree, legalize all drugs, AGAIN. (all drugs were legal in the US before WWII) When drugs were made illegal the intrusion problems started for boaters. When ever anything is made illegal, look out. I could go on for hours. Back to sailing.
I run into one of my old Police buddies who still think the War on Drugs is a good thing. But most agree, legalize all drugs, AGAIN. (all drugs were legal in the US before WWII) When drugs were made illegal the intrusion problems started for boaters. When ever anything is made illegal, look out. I could go on for hours. Back to sailing.
And Jim, you hit it! TAXES!
The government is in bed with the tobacco and alcohol companies. (let's not forget the AMA) Unregulated recreational drug use is a major threat to them. Even though marijuana is Americas largest cash crop, they keep the rules in effect (it's all on the History Channel too) and keep searching our boats, taking our property and throwing us in jail. And if someone in congress speaks up, (rarely) they get shouted down by 'motherhood and apple pie'. Translation, votes. I get sooo angry. What were we talking about?,,,oh yea, alcohol,,,,stoves.
The government is in bed with the tobacco and alcohol companies. (let's not forget the AMA) Unregulated recreational drug use is a major threat to them. Even though marijuana is Americas largest cash crop, they keep the rules in effect (it's all on the History Channel too) and keep searching our boats, taking our property and throwing us in jail. And if someone in congress speaks up, (rarely) they get shouted down by 'motherhood and apple pie'. Translation, votes. I get sooo angry. What were we talking about?,,,oh yea, alcohol,,,,stoves.
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