Advice - Sailing from Phillidelpha to Cape May

Oct 26, 2022
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Oday 26 Surronding lakes of the NE
Hi everyone! So as the title says my friends and I are planning on setting sail down the Delaware river from Philadelphia to cape may New Jersey for a weekend trip in September! It would be our first time on a river and ocean with this boat but have had a decent amount of experience this summer using The liability (The boat). I was if anyone has done a trip similar, if so how long did it take to get down the river (from what I heard its about 3 to 6 hours depending on current), is there any special rules that I should know (I do have a radio on the boat and most of the safety equipment just short of a flare gun) how long would it take to get back up river. Thank you in advance I currently trailer the boat so if there also a better launch point other than philly I would love to know!
 
May 17, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Cape May is a nice destination. Delaware Bay is not the most pleasant journey. Philadelphia to Cape May is about 70 miles, so probably more like 15 hours than 3 to 6. Your best bet would probably be to split the trip into two days, with Delaware City near the C&D Canal as a stopping point. Try to time the tide so you can ride with the current if that’s possible for the days you’re traveling. Current in the bay can reach about 2 knots so you’re best off not trying to fight that. Also try to avoid traveling on days when the wind is blowing against the current. The Delaware Bay can build up large short waves in those conditions. Once you get to Cape May you should have not problem using the Cape May Canal to get into town instead of going all the way around to the ocean side.
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
From the entrance to the C&D Canal to the Anchorage at Cape May (Near the CG Station) is a pretty long trip around 50 nm. With the ebbing tide figure 7-9 hours. If the tide is adverse or the winds are adverse add much more time. The return trip can be longer because the flood tide is not as strong and it is shorter.

A southerly wind against an ebbing tide will make for bouncy wet motoring. Likewise a northerly wind against a flooding tide will make the bay quite nasty. Once past Delaware City places to hide are few and far between, there are a couple of possible anchorages near the entrance to the Canal there is an anchorage about mid way on the bay on the NJ side.

Expect to see a lot of commercial traffic, freighters and barges.

Here's a screen shot of our Chart Plotter the last time we went through the Bay. Note, while we're moving along at 9.6 knots, we had a 3.4 knot favorable current and after 3 hours we still had 22.8 miles to reach the entrance to the CM canal. By the time we reached the canal the tide and turned and we had a 1-2 knot adverse current. The little boat shapes are an assortment of boats picked up by the AIS, some recreational some commercial.

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Oct 26, 2022
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Oday 26 Surronding lakes of the NE
Thank you both for the advice, I will plan to launch farther down the river to make up some time. But that is sure sound advice for the tides, this is a goal sail for us so hopefully I can put it all to good use and be able to plan this trip out properly. Thank you again!
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
art, Dave's right, and I suggest you reread his post a few times, slowly, especially about time & currents.

from what I heard its about 3 to 6 hours depending on current
When I first read that I began to serious worry about your proposed trip. First, you don't determine how long a trip will be based on "from what I heard..." You MUST do a STD on the trip. Grade school math, but how fast do you go and how far is it will tell you how long, and only then you add the effect of the current. I live in BC now but grew up in NYC and know the general distances pretty well and know for damn sure your 3 to 6 hours either was mistyped 30-60 hours or you are so far off as to make your decision making seriously questionable and your voyage potentially manifestly unsafe - I worried about you.
I owned a C22 for 4 years, a C25 for 11 years and my C34 for 24 years now (and sailed it from SF to here in BC, and I KNOW average speeds of those boats for long range planning). You don't say what engine you have but for your planning purposes you'd be lucky to figure an average speed of 4 knots. For starters. Maybe less in reality, so please factor that in.
You might want to reconsider going to Cape May and do a practice jaunt to the C&D Canal from where you put in to get some experience in salt water. And please do a LOT more reading on the dangers of the river section from the C&D to Cape May. There are few, if any, places to bail out on that stretch of water. On my C22 with a 7.5 hp outboard motor, I found myself going backwards on a 5 knot current on SF Bay - please, think about it. Dave's right about the urrent changing every six hours - think about it, please.
I wish you the best of luck, but at this stage, you'd need it.
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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this is a goal sail for us so hopefully I can put it all to good use and be able to plan this trip out properly
The advice provided was earned by the above sailors over many years of experience.

We all want you to be able, 10 years from now, to look back on your "Goal Sail" and think it was as much fun planning for the event as experiencing it. Such a sail should happen as if you have experienced it in your mind a hundred times. Nature will create plenty of challenges you have not thought of to make it memorable.

I share your personal quotes... "I’m a dude, with a an old boat, and a dream to make it float."
Oday 26 The Flying Liability 1984 pa US Surronding lakes of the NE First boat! Very new.​

Get out charts of the river and bay. NOAA provides them for free. Approach it as if you were 16 and this is the first time driving the family car beyond the neighborhood where you grew up.

Poor performance is a result of poor planning.:biggrin:
 
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May 17, 2004
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Since you’re trailering to your start point anyway you may want to consider the Northern Chesapeake for the trip instead of the Delaware and Cape May. The Chesapeake has enough space to get new experiences outside of lake sailing, but generally more protection and places to hide out than the Delaware. It has places to see and new things to visit without that haul through Delaware Bay.
 
Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I don't like to offer unsolicited advice but maybe a better trip would be to trailer the boat to either Lewes or Cape May. It would be a nice day trip from on to the other and back the next day. You would have a near ocean experience and pick up skills in piloting, including dealing with current. You would not have the slog up and down the bay. But if you want a partial dose of that you could daysail up and back one day. There is a good anchorage in Lewes protected by two jetties.
 

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Be sure to plan on carrying extra fuel. Unless you followed through with connecting your OB to the old diesel tank, the largest portable tank is 6 gallons. My 9.9 Yamaha on my O'day 25 got about .45 gal per hour. Yours will probably do the same.
And don't plan on just sailing. If the wind is on the nose you'l have to do a lot of tacking.
My suggestion is to download the Navionics app on your phone or a tablet. Study the charts and use the auto routing feature to plot out a course.
It will also show what everyone else has said, there are very few places to bail out if needed. Even if you duck into the few rivers show, it could be very shallow and several miles up the rivers to find a dock with probably no services.
 
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Jan 25, 2023
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Oday 26 Lake Wallenpaupack
Hey All, I am Artley's co-captain, also planning this trip. Some things I want to add, as well as respond to.

I appricate everyones input, as well as alternate solutions. We are looking to go to cape may as we have history going there while we were younger with one of our other friends, we want to go and bring him along for this journey.
We want to be prepared, and of course be safe. Though our time frame is limited as our other friend will deploy to the air force and this may be our only chance.

Worst case scenario, if this is deemed too bad of an idea, we can trailer it directly to Cape May and sail around there without going into the bay and travelling up. I still have to talk to artley about this though and get his opinions.

Your best bet would probably be to split the trip into two days, with Delaware City near the C&D Canal as a stopping point. Try to time the tide so you can ride with the current if that’s possible for the days you’re traveling. Current in the bay can reach about 2 knots so you’re best off not trying to fight that. Also try to avoid traveling on days when the wind is blowing against the current. The Delaware Bay can build up large short waves in those conditions. Once you get to Cape May you should have not problem using the Cape May Canal to get into town instead of going all the way around to the ocean side.
I think this is a great idea, however I'm thinking maybe we can just trailer to Delaware City and launch from there, and if we arrive early, we can wait out those currents. I do still worry about this and wonder if there is still a better way to avoid that.

Since you’re trailering to your start point anyway you may want to consider the Northern Chesapeake for the trip instead of the Delaware and Cape May.
We do have a separate trip that we want to go to the Chesapeake too, though we were planning on doing that sometime afterwards. But as I said, we do want to try to go to Cape May as well.

When I first read that I began to serious worry about your proposed trip. First, you don't determine how long a trip will be based on "from what I heard..." You MUST do a STD on the trip. Grade school math, but how fast do you go and how far is it will tell you how long, and only then you add the effect of the current. I live in BC now but grew up in NYC and know the general distances pretty well and know for damn sure your 3 to 6 hours either was mistyped 30-60 hours or you are so far off as to make your decision making seriously questionable and your voyage potentially manifestly unsafe - I worried about you.
I owned a C22 for 4 years, a C25 for 11 years and my C34 for 24 years now (and sailed it from SF to here in BC, and I KNOW average speeds of those boats for long range planning). You don't say what engine you have but for your planning purposes you'd be lucky to figure an average speed of 4 knots. For starters. Maybe less in reality, so please factor that in.
You might want to reconsider going to Cape May and do a practice jaunt to the C&D Canal from where you put in to get some experience in salt water. And please do a LOT more reading on the dangers of the river section from the C&D to Cape May. There are few, if any, places to bail out on that stretch of water. On my C22 with a 7.5 hp outboard motor, I found myself going backwards on a 5 knot current on SF Bay - please, think about it. Dave's right about the urrent changing every six hours - think about it, please.
I wish you the best of luck, but at this stage, you'd need it.
1) What does STD stand for in this context?
2) I am unsure where he got these numbers as well, I was under the impression of a much longer voyage.
3) We have a Honda Outboard Motor, cant remember the HP right now, I think it's like 9.9 or something, unfortunately I am out of town and can't check on the boat haha
4) I agree we need more practice 100%. We only just began and this is a big step for us. We do plan on going up to the Finger lakes, i forget exactly which one, but we are hoping that will get us a bit more prepared.
5) I hope we don't have to bail out! I definitely share your concerns though.

So from here, If you guys were us, and wanted to get to Cape May in a safe way. Starting from here what practice would you guys recommend we do in preparation? We have a few weeks to get some of this practice in. Also, what would be the smartest route here? Seems like starting in Delaware City might be a better course?

Thank you all again, your advice and information is invaluable.

Sorry in advance if anything I typed is unclear, I had to type this in a hurry since I am on a work trip, and a bit busy. I just wanted to add some clarification and say thanks.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
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And a lot of fun places to go ashore …. Put Tangier island on you bucket list

and on the topic of trailering…. What about a one way trip. Put the boat in the water… drive your tow vehicle and trailer to the take out and Uber back to the boat…. Then take your time and enjoy the ride :beer:
 
Oct 26, 2022
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Oday 26 Surronding lakes of the NE
Hi everyone! oh my word the responses so I have looked into launching wayyy down the bay like lewes what @shemandr said it would be more realistic.

I apologize we have a 9.9 honda outboard and yes we did stick the original idea of hooking up to the original tank! its 15 gallons and we have a digital fuel gauge. There is a lot of planning that needs to go into this which is why I came to ask, I'm not afraid to drive it farther after a few trailer upgrades. This is a big step for us so (at least I know) i'm going to be studying charts and current patterns as much as I can to prepare. But I think shortening the sailing portion and launch farther down is a much better idea. I have to talk to the big deal but I will come back with a better plan and update for yall! thank you all a million and I hope we can do this!
 
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Jun 21, 2004
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Gee, I thought my next sentence would have let you figure it out. It was:
Speed Time Distance :):):)
Damned Stu, I have taken multiple piloting & navigation courses over the years, but I didn’t recognize your STD abbreviation either. Guess I am a bit rusty; better take a refresher course. Hell, I thought you were referring to Sexually Transmitted Diseases! :yikes:
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Damned Stu, I have taken multiple piloting & navigation courses over the years, but I didn’t recognize your STD abbreviation either. Guess I am a bit rusty; better take a refresher course. Hell, I thought you were referring to Sexually Transmitted Diseases! :yikes:
I tried DST but thought he'd think daylight savings time.
I tried TSD but thought he'd think Technical Support Division
There's a whole website for acronyms: https://www.allacronyms.com
Gee, ain't sailing creative? :yikes::yikes::yikes:
 

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Jun 3, 2004
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Leopard 39 Pensacola
Damned Stu, I have taken multiple piloting & navigation courses over the years, but I didn’t recognize your STD abbreviation either. Guess I am a bit rusty; better take a refresher course. Hell, I thought you were referring to Sexually Transmitted Diseases! :yikes:
Yeah had me scratching my head too… I can see how someone new would be confused.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
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I appricate everyones input, as well as alternate solutions. We are looking to go to cape may as we have history going there while we were younger with one of our other friends, we want to go and bring him along for this journey.
We want to be prepared, and of course be safe. Though our time frame is limited as our other friend will deploy to the air force and this may be our only chance.
This is helpful information. The three of you are looking for a memorable experience before one of ships out. If you try sailing from anywhere on the Delaware River/Bay to Cape May, you will have a memorable experience, it just may not be an experience you want to remember. ;)

Assuming you trailer the boat to Cape May and sail from there be mindful of the tide and wind conditions at the inlet on the Ocean side. Wind with an easterly component coupled with an ebbing tide can make for big nasty waves in the channel. We went through there with an 10-15 knot east wind on an ebbing tide and saw 6-8' waves. It was exciting in a 36' boat.

The Finger Lakes in NY will offer some gorgeous scenery and great wineries. However, other than giving you more sailing experience it won't do much to prepare you ocean sailing. The lakes are long, narrow, and very deep. The lakes run north and south which can make for some flukey winds and accelerate north or south winds as they funnel down the lake. The biggest lakes, Cayuga and Seneca are about 35 miles long and maybe 3-5 miles wide. Ithaca, at the south end of Cayuga Lake is a fun college town, home to Cornell and Ithaca College.

Make some good memories. :beer::beer:
 
Oct 26, 2008
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Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
@artleyt115 , I get it that you want to include Cape May in the itinerary, but the truth is that hardly anyone sails Delaware Bay for fun. It just doesn't have very much (or anything, really) to offer. Opposing wind and current seems to be a constant. Motoring for hours just to get to Cape May won't be fun or scenic. You'll have to deal with an industrial complex along most of the shoreline and huge ships in the northern stretches. It widens out so much in the southern section that there is no scenery (only ships) and the trip will seem endlessly tedious until you finally get to Cape May. I wouldn't recommend a trip across the bay between Cape May and Lewes for your experience. To be sure, I have no idea what the sailing is like around Cape May (except on the Atlantic). We never hear from anybody that frequents that area. We only hear about experiences passing through Cape May because it is a major stopover.

In short, I think the experience that you are suggesting would be a huge disappointment and possibly a disastrous failure. You would have such a better experience on the northern Chesapeake or you might think about Barnegat Bay, which also has endless possibilities for you.
 
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Nov 28, 2016
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Scott T-Bird is correct, almost nobody sails the Delaware for fun. I just made the transit north to the C&D a couple of weeks ago as part of a delivery trip from Block Island to the Upper Chesapeake, we stopped in Atlantic City to time the flood tide and it was still a looong transit. Can be done, just plan according to CURRENT rather than tide. Important distinction. Most modern navaids will be able to show it. I like Navionics.