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Regarding your climb of Mt R - I bet you did not suggest doing it in a pair of swimming trunks and flip flops. With your choice of boat, that is pretty much what you are doing here. Certainly, with the correct boat, a trip like yours, while a bit risky due to your lack of experience, could be done. Even with the Mac, it could be done - we hope. An older, in good shape, Pearson from the Alberg vintages would be a far better choice and not drive costs out the roof. That would be a good place to start in choosing a boat. If youcompare things like rigging size, chainplate construction and hull thickness you will quickly understand what most of us are trying to tell you.
Regarding your climb of Mt R - I bet you did not suggest doing it in a pair of swimming trunks and flip flops. With your choice of boat, that is pretty much what you are doing here. Certainly, with the correct boat, a trip like yours, while a bit risky due to your lack of experience, could be done. Even with the Mac, it could be done - we hope. An older, in good shape, Pearson from the Alberg vintages would be a far better choice and not drive costs out the roof. That would be a good place to start in choosing a boat. If youcompare things like rigging size, chainplate construction and hull thickness you will quickly understand what most of us are trying to tell you.
OK, deep breaths, everybody....
A couple of points: 1. Lay off Kyle, y'all! This is the same thing that happened when Seadance first arrived - people ridiculed her and drove her off in tears. Let's not do the same thing again. 2. Kyle, if you're serious, don't let anyone drive you off - or destroy your dream. You can pick out who you want to listen to and ignore the rest. 3. While it IS better to spend 10 years getting ready (learning to sail, navigate, fix diesel engines, etc) like my wife and I are doing before we set off cruising, it is NOT MANDATORY!!!!! If you doubt me, check out Bumfuzzled: a couple of twenty-somethings got the urge, quit their jobs and lifes, flew to Miami, bought a boat (a Wildcat 35 CATAMARAN) and sailed around the world safely and having a great time (most of the time) with NO experience and NO training. Of course, they had their difficulties because they knew nothing: they burned up a couple of engines because they didn't realize you had to open the sea-cock for cooling water, they were 6 months out before they realized that winches have TWO speeds depending on the direction you turn them in, and their hull delaminated, necessitating a prolonged battle with the manufacturer and a costly fix. My point: you can do it, Kyle. 4. Kyle, I believe the BEST way to convince us that you ARE serious about this would be to agree to reconsider your choice of boat. PLEASE? I'm not saying you couldn't sail off in a MacGregor 26.... heck, you might even be able to sail that boat around the world. But it won't be easy, it won't be safe, and you won't have as good a time as you will if you choose a boat more suited to your voyage. 5. Skip the north Atlantic - if you're leaving in August, you need to think of TWO things: sail south, and use the Inter-coastal waterway. More on that as your plans evolve. OK, folks, let's see if Kyle is serious. Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
A couple of points: 1. Lay off Kyle, y'all! This is the same thing that happened when Seadance first arrived - people ridiculed her and drove her off in tears. Let's not do the same thing again. 2. Kyle, if you're serious, don't let anyone drive you off - or destroy your dream. You can pick out who you want to listen to and ignore the rest. 3. While it IS better to spend 10 years getting ready (learning to sail, navigate, fix diesel engines, etc) like my wife and I are doing before we set off cruising, it is NOT MANDATORY!!!!! If you doubt me, check out Bumfuzzled: a couple of twenty-somethings got the urge, quit their jobs and lifes, flew to Miami, bought a boat (a Wildcat 35 CATAMARAN) and sailed around the world safely and having a great time (most of the time) with NO experience and NO training. Of course, they had their difficulties because they knew nothing: they burned up a couple of engines because they didn't realize you had to open the sea-cock for cooling water, they were 6 months out before they realized that winches have TWO speeds depending on the direction you turn them in, and their hull delaminated, necessitating a prolonged battle with the manufacturer and a costly fix. My point: you can do it, Kyle. 4. Kyle, I believe the BEST way to convince us that you ARE serious about this would be to agree to reconsider your choice of boat. PLEASE? I'm not saying you couldn't sail off in a MacGregor 26.... heck, you might even be able to sail that boat around the world. But it won't be easy, it won't be safe, and you won't have as good a time as you will if you choose a boat more suited to your voyage. 5. Skip the north Atlantic - if you're leaving in August, you need to think of TWO things: sail south, and use the Inter-coastal waterway. More on that as your plans evolve. OK, folks, let's see if Kyle is serious. Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
Kyle said he's a "smart guy"
Its his "wisdom" we have to question! I hear the Atlanta Falcons are going to need a new quarterback. So, read about football and then try out for the Falcons at Summer Camp. Its the same thing - right? Your an idiot if you think reading about something makes you able to do it. It takes time and practice. Neither one - you have. Dont be an idiot - stay on shore.
Its his "wisdom" we have to question! I hear the Atlanta Falcons are going to need a new quarterback. So, read about football and then try out for the Falcons at Summer Camp. Its the same thing - right? Your an idiot if you think reading about something makes you able to do it. It takes time and practice. Neither one - you have. Dont be an idiot - stay on shore.
Send him to the 'dark side', Phil.....
he'll pay! As I've always told my kids when they have proudly announced they have 'out-foxed' me..... I refuse to live my life as a paranoid person, so what did you 'win', really? Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
he'll pay! As I've always told my kids when they have proudly announced they have 'out-foxed' me..... I refuse to live my life as a paranoid person, so what did you 'win', really? Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
Must be kidding....
But if your not here is my 2 cents: -Take your inheritance and invest in the stock-market or buy a house….then get a job. Just don’t squander your money. -Join a yacht club or make friends with people in your area that race or cruise. Us sailors are always looking for crew or will take on an extra person that just wants to learn. -Buy your boat or perhaps something much smaller like a 20 foot day sailor to get your feet wet. -In about 3-5 years after you sailed and have time on the water, read some books and take the advice from this board – buy a bigger boat and go on a trip for a week or two. There are plenty of great cruises you could take from RI. When I was in my 20’s – I did not reason or make decision with much though about future consequences. This is proven scientific fact that the way we reason in our teens / 20’s in much different than when we are older. If I knew then what I know now….I would be a very wise and wealthy man. Take the free advice from everyone here….they are all much older and experienced than you are. I think one guy even offered to take you out on his boat so if that isn’t genuine advice I don’t know what is. Good luck - Rob
But if your not here is my 2 cents: -Take your inheritance and invest in the stock-market or buy a house….then get a job. Just don’t squander your money. -Join a yacht club or make friends with people in your area that race or cruise. Us sailors are always looking for crew or will take on an extra person that just wants to learn. -Buy your boat or perhaps something much smaller like a 20 foot day sailor to get your feet wet. -In about 3-5 years after you sailed and have time on the water, read some books and take the advice from this board – buy a bigger boat and go on a trip for a week or two. There are plenty of great cruises you could take from RI. When I was in my 20’s – I did not reason or make decision with much though about future consequences. This is proven scientific fact that the way we reason in our teens / 20’s in much different than when we are older. If I knew then what I know now….I would be a very wise and wealthy man. Take the free advice from everyone here….they are all much older and experienced than you are. I think one guy even offered to take you out on his boat so if that isn’t genuine advice I don’t know what is. Good luck - Rob
OK, I can't help myself, here goes...
You have got to be dumber than a box of rocks or just playing the board... but here's a fellow sailors views on open water crossing or sailing in general for that matter. I'm 51 yrs old and have played with smaller versions like the Columbia and now I'm ready tostep upto a bigger liveaboard design made for the stuff you'll find outwater. I'm stepping up to a Mac 65 or equiv the end of next year to retire on and I'm reluctant to just set sail from Mainland California to Hawaii in that one without lots of pre-trip sails and prep. It'll have a spare parts inventory rivaling most hardware stores for the items on board that might require repair. Tools sufficient to rebuild the engine and do any repair on-board. Scuba gear to work underwater if required and stuff to make underwater sealing repairs in the event of a hull breach within reason that can be fixed temperorarily. Anchor spares and chain, and rope, and shackles, and whatever else I determine that is a necessity. I've been repairing stuff all my life and have no problem tearing into things to fix them. Listening to music and playing a guitar are all 70's hippy stuff and cool but in reality, the humidity and water will most likely render it useless unless you take some real precautions. Keeping it in tune will not be possible, so think that over a bit more. You aren't going to be sitting around the campfire singing cumbaya. There's crap out there that can kill you quicker than you can sneeze. Anyway... It'll have a watermaker, lots of storage, lots of spare sails, rigging, and supplies. The radio gear will be backed up with redundant equipt and nav gear incase of catatrosphic failure to the primary units. The solar panels and invertor will supply recharging power and sustain the lights as required. Keep in mind I won't be on this one alone and if I was, planning to sleep would be a consideration at the top of the list. I hope all of this is entertaining to you, 'cause we're having a real good laugh at you. Hope to see you outwater some time.... hey, why not a tri-maran like Kevin Costner had on Waterworld? It was way cooler than the Dove, and by the way... I had lunch with guy that sailed the dove. In a truckstop in Arizona about a year after he got done with his circumnavigation. He and his girlfriend were headed back east and by chance we ended up chatting for about an hour abut the trip. I got an autographed copy of the book and some poloroid pics. He was nice and he was seasoned. Later sailor... good luck. db
You have got to be dumber than a box of rocks or just playing the board... but here's a fellow sailors views on open water crossing or sailing in general for that matter. I'm 51 yrs old and have played with smaller versions like the Columbia and now I'm ready tostep upto a bigger liveaboard design made for the stuff you'll find outwater. I'm stepping up to a Mac 65 or equiv the end of next year to retire on and I'm reluctant to just set sail from Mainland California to Hawaii in that one without lots of pre-trip sails and prep. It'll have a spare parts inventory rivaling most hardware stores for the items on board that might require repair. Tools sufficient to rebuild the engine and do any repair on-board. Scuba gear to work underwater if required and stuff to make underwater sealing repairs in the event of a hull breach within reason that can be fixed temperorarily. Anchor spares and chain, and rope, and shackles, and whatever else I determine that is a necessity. I've been repairing stuff all my life and have no problem tearing into things to fix them. Listening to music and playing a guitar are all 70's hippy stuff and cool but in reality, the humidity and water will most likely render it useless unless you take some real precautions. Keeping it in tune will not be possible, so think that over a bit more. You aren't going to be sitting around the campfire singing cumbaya. There's crap out there that can kill you quicker than you can sneeze. Anyway... It'll have a watermaker, lots of storage, lots of spare sails, rigging, and supplies. The radio gear will be backed up with redundant equipt and nav gear incase of catatrosphic failure to the primary units. The solar panels and invertor will supply recharging power and sustain the lights as required. Keep in mind I won't be on this one alone and if I was, planning to sleep would be a consideration at the top of the list. I hope all of this is entertaining to you, 'cause we're having a real good laugh at you. Hope to see you outwater some time.... hey, why not a tri-maran like Kevin Costner had on Waterworld? It was way cooler than the Dove, and by the way... I had lunch with guy that sailed the dove. In a truckstop in Arizona about a year after he got done with his circumnavigation. He and his girlfriend were headed back east and by chance we ended up chatting for about an hour abut the trip. I got an autographed copy of the book and some poloroid pics. He was nice and he was seasoned. Later sailor... good luck. db
Not saying he should do it, and I would want
something with a thicker hull than a mac (though I love my 26s and take it coastal all over the place, yet I am never too far from refuge!). "A speck on the sea" is a book that shows many doing more than most with less boats...of course there are many more that died and never made it into the book. Shane Acton (link below) and his boat "shrimpy" is a good example of desire (and skill/luck?) leading to many years of adventure...with a swedish model to boot! All that danger and it was self induced death via smoking that got him. Wonder what the oods of death via an ocean crossing in a mac would be relative to driving many miles of two lane roads like I do....just one teenager checking their cell phone and SPLAT it's all over!
something with a thicker hull than a mac (though I love my 26s and take it coastal all over the place, yet I am never too far from refuge!). "A speck on the sea" is a book that shows many doing more than most with less boats...of course there are many more that died and never made it into the book. Shane Acton (link below) and his boat "shrimpy" is a good example of desire (and skill/luck?) leading to many years of adventure...with a swedish model to boot! All that danger and it was self induced death via smoking that got him. Wonder what the oods of death via an ocean crossing in a mac would be relative to driving many miles of two lane roads like I do....just one teenager checking their cell phone and SPLAT it's all over!
I don't think that's funny
A lot of people took the time to offer some serious feedback and for what? So someone gets to laugh at our earnest efforts? Does it amuse them to make other people look stupid? I think it's time to find some other board to hang out on because I don't find this funny. I'm outta here... ;{
A lot of people took the time to offer some serious feedback and for what? So someone gets to laugh at our earnest efforts? Does it amuse them to make other people look stupid? I think it's time to find some other board to hang out on because I don't find this funny. I'm outta here... ;{
Game Over Bob W. Wins!!
First I'd like to thank Phil for not outing me! He knows I'm a regular and I knew he'd see my IP but was planning on outing this myself anyway so it did not matter. By the way Phil I am who you think but I'm now on the boat so I have a different IP address. Who I am is not important but just know that I am a regular contributor and do help others as much as I can and like I said above Phil knows this. Guys I did this for one reason and that is to make some of you aware of how hard we can be on novices. Bob W. was to only one to give polite and relevant advice. Kyle (not his real name) does exist in real life except it was an O'Day 25 and he did finally do as Bob suggested and start with the ditch but he did do it and really was that in-experienced although the water filter part I made up. He is now a very competent sailor and learned mostly by him self through reading and trial and error. I know I stretched it a little and made it tough to grasp but I'm not 22 and wanted it to be believable for at least a little while to see what kind of flames he'd get. Go ahead and flame me if you must, I know some of you will, but just be aware that we, as a board, are turning into the crusty crotchety crew like Phil's other board the CS-BB. Please this is a site for beginners, intermediates and experts and we need to watch our tone with the new guys. I too am guilty of this and it was pointed out to me back during the Seadance thread. Since then I have tried to be more logical and courteous in my responses. I know it's tough especially when some jerk like me throws bait at you like I did but it was to illustrate how mean we really can be. I also meant no harm to the Mac 26 and the trip the real "Kyle" did could have been done on a Mac. OK now have at me but also think about your responses to new members while your at it. Kyle could have been real.
First I'd like to thank Phil for not outing me! He knows I'm a regular and I knew he'd see my IP but was planning on outing this myself anyway so it did not matter. By the way Phil I am who you think but I'm now on the boat so I have a different IP address. Who I am is not important but just know that I am a regular contributor and do help others as much as I can and like I said above Phil knows this. Guys I did this for one reason and that is to make some of you aware of how hard we can be on novices. Bob W. was to only one to give polite and relevant advice. Kyle (not his real name) does exist in real life except it was an O'Day 25 and he did finally do as Bob suggested and start with the ditch but he did do it and really was that in-experienced although the water filter part I made up. He is now a very competent sailor and learned mostly by him self through reading and trial and error. I know I stretched it a little and made it tough to grasp but I'm not 22 and wanted it to be believable for at least a little while to see what kind of flames he'd get. Go ahead and flame me if you must, I know some of you will, but just be aware that we, as a board, are turning into the crusty crotchety crew like Phil's other board the CS-BB. Please this is a site for beginners, intermediates and experts and we need to watch our tone with the new guys. I too am guilty of this and it was pointed out to me back during the Seadance thread. Since then I have tried to be more logical and courteous in my responses. I know it's tough especially when some jerk like me throws bait at you like I did but it was to illustrate how mean we really can be. I also meant no harm to the Mac 26 and the trip the real "Kyle" did could have been done on a Mac. OK now have at me but also think about your responses to new members while your at it. Kyle could have been real.
Kyle , I think that you are setting your sights
too low. You should at least plan to reach Baffin bay and then sail down the coast of Labrador and across the St Lawrence River to New Brunswick and then down the coast with stops at Halifax, NS and Bucksport, ME and all the places in between. You don't need to be concerned about music, you can just sing as loud as you want and nobody will complain. For getting a message home just put it in a bottle and let the current deliver it. For food, a fishing line and a bag of limes is all you will need.
too low. You should at least plan to reach Baffin bay and then sail down the coast of Labrador and across the St Lawrence River to New Brunswick and then down the coast with stops at Halifax, NS and Bucksport, ME and all the places in between. You don't need to be concerned about music, you can just sing as loud as you want and nobody will complain. For getting a message home just put it in a bottle and let the current deliver it. For food, a fishing line and a bag of limes is all you will need.
Princess , Kyle knew too much jargon
to be as green as he claimed. I realized that it was a spoof when he asked if cell phones work on the ocean. They barely work on land. He made no mention of food but asked about bedding. You don't get to be 22 years old and not think about food some of the time. I thought it was a great joke on us.
to be as green as he claimed. I realized that it was a spoof when he asked if cell phones work on the ocean. They barely work on land. He made no mention of food but asked about bedding. You don't get to be 22 years old and not think about food some of the time. I thought it was a great joke on us.
I Erased My Response...
...as a protest to this CHILDISH prank. I was sucked in too! I Guess I was trying to talk somebody out of a foolish move. CHILDISH - enough said! *butt
...as a protest to this CHILDISH prank. I was sucked in too! I Guess I was trying to talk somebody out of a foolish move. CHILDISH - enough said! *butt
prank yes
but look at all the good imformation. things i may do for coastal sailing. was it last year a sailor got blown from long beach to south america
but look at all the good imformation. things i may do for coastal sailing. was it last year a sailor got blown from long beach to south america
Humor
Some on this board take things way to serious. That was obviously an attempt to pull our chains, and I feel kind of sorry for those who seem to be offended by a little humor, or attempt at humor. Lighten up. A smile is good for everyone.
Some on this board take things way to serious. That was obviously an attempt to pull our chains, and I feel kind of sorry for those who seem to be offended by a little humor, or attempt at humor. Lighten up. A smile is good for everyone.
I second that
I found the post so off the wall I was sure it was a prank... but not so sure I didn't check it out.
I think it does raise a good point about how hard we can be on newbies. Harsh criticism makes many folks defensive... and resistant to your message. In fact, I outed the author because I didn't want to see people pile on. Sure, some new sailors are crazy, misinformed, and maybe in some cases, worse. But weren't we all one or more of those conditions when we were first learning? Anyway, I don't condone annonymous posting but I think we can chalk this up to some Friday fun.
I found the post so off the wall I was sure it was a prank... but not so sure I didn't check it out.
I think it does raise a good point about how hard we can be on newbies. Harsh criticism makes many folks defensive... and resistant to your message. In fact, I outed the author because I didn't want to see people pile on. Sure, some new sailors are crazy, misinformed, and maybe in some cases, worse. But weren't we all one or more of those conditions when we were first learning? Anyway, I don't condone annonymous posting but I think we can chalk this up to some Friday fun.pretty funny...
while most on this board are a wonderful people to read and communicate with...others are judgmental, arrogant and I tire of hearing them tell every poster exactly what they did wrong...problem is that the loudmouths tend to set the tone on bulletin boards, and this one is becoming no exception...the recent right of way thread is a good example of a sailor honestly asking and opinion on what he should have done and got slammed for being rude, inconsiderate, ignorant of rules etc etc.....many of the flames did not have the facts straight, but and when they did, were very judgmental without having sailed in those particular waters.... it is a good lesson for everyone to lay off of those you don't think measure up to your standards..I can remember quite a few completely stupid things I did when I was learning to sail in my Mac 25, so I'm hesitant to call anyone a moron for not knowing the rules, how and where to anchor, how to change a filter etc etc.... We're not in the Navy here, we're all recreational sailors trying to enjoy ourselves....we should all try to remember that before we get on our high horses... Fair winds....
while most on this board are a wonderful people to read and communicate with...others are judgmental, arrogant and I tire of hearing them tell every poster exactly what they did wrong...problem is that the loudmouths tend to set the tone on bulletin boards, and this one is becoming no exception...the recent right of way thread is a good example of a sailor honestly asking and opinion on what he should have done and got slammed for being rude, inconsiderate, ignorant of rules etc etc.....many of the flames did not have the facts straight, but and when they did, were very judgmental without having sailed in those particular waters.... it is a good lesson for everyone to lay off of those you don't think measure up to your standards..I can remember quite a few completely stupid things I did when I was learning to sail in my Mac 25, so I'm hesitant to call anyone a moron for not knowing the rules, how and where to anchor, how to change a filter etc etc.... We're not in the Navy here, we're all recreational sailors trying to enjoy ourselves....we should all try to remember that before we get on our high horses... Fair winds....
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