Advice on crossing the Ablemarle Sound in North Carolina

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Sep 27, 2008
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Hunter 41 Longport,NJ
Looking for some advice on weather patterns, time in the fall to look for - looking for a window to get across this Sound. It is apparently notorious for high seas wipped up from it's shallow water - tried to cross in July - constant SW winds for days with seas way to heavy for my little old Hunter 33 and old Yanmar diesel - no way on these headwinds and seas. Has anyone had this experience with the Sound and suggestions on predictive weather patterns fr a N to S passage ?

Thanks

jim
 
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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Guess we were lucky. Annapolis to Oriental in October and had great weather. Some of our best sailing was on the Albemarle and Pamlico.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Just like any 'notorious' body of water, try to cross when there is a high pressure dome over the area and as early in the AM as possible before the day 'warms up' to cause increased wind instability and intense 'sea/shore breezes' from the outer banks. If intense sea/shore breezes are prevalent (as noted by rapidly forming banks of low clouds to the 'west'), youll have experienced them the day before when you crossed the Currituk Sound (which can be as nasty as the Albemarle). Listen carefully to the Currituk and Albemarle NOAA predictions before crossing.
Avoid crossing when weather cold fronts are approaching.

Especially when traveling south through this area, you should allow sufficient time to be well past the Albemarle and out of the Alligator river (south of the Albemarle) by dark ---- as there is NO place to anchor due to all the immense amount of shifting sunken logs on the bottom. If you are forced to anchor in open water anywhere along the Alligator be sure to have a stout 'trip line' attached to your anchor. There is however a popular anchorage free from sunken logs .... just 'after' the Alligator River and 'just before' you get to the Alligator-Pungo Canal - on the north shore. Get a copy of "Skipper Bob" for details. www.skipperbob.net/

BTW - the 'entrance' from the Albemarle to the Alligator R. has recently been dredged and most of the 'marks' have been changed ---- so DONT blindly follow a chartplotter which undoubtedly will have the old course mark locations but carefully follow the new marks by EYEBALL and depthsounder.

BTW2 - this area is the wildest wilderness along the entire ICW. You do not want to be walking a dog on the shoreline anywhere from the Albemarle to Beaufort .... too many damn skinny black things with white mouths along the shoreline and they are VERY aggressive.
 
Jul 17, 2009
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Endeavour/Chrysler E-32/C-22 swimming pool
I can't give any advice here as...

We tried crossing the Ablemarle sound in March and what a disaster. We entered the sound from the North river at 3pm and the weather was great but Noaa warned of a storm around midnight, so we decided it would be better to turn right and head up to Elizibeth city. With in 15 minutes it had turned dark and the wind and waves were up to the point I could not make our C-26 head NE. So for hours I fought to keep a SW heading to keep the 10' waves on the stern untill we grounded at Bull bay with shredded sails. We were being tossed around and such that physical injury and hypothermia was a major issue so the 1st mate called the CG to pick us up. (Not what I wanted but ....)
Not the best of time for our shake down cruise, but I'm impressed that my 1st mate was ready to jump back on the boat the next day.

Good luck and know that a storm can hit with out warning.
 
May 7, 2004
252
Hunter 38 Little River, SC
We sailed across the Ablemarle Sound northbound in June with a SE wind at 7-10 kts. Halfway across, the breeze quit and the water surface turned to glass. We fired up the Yanmar and continued the run to Coinjock.
Southbound in August, we left Elizabeth City in a light fog which lifted as we passed the CG Air Station. We sailed from there to the Middle Ground Shoal with a breeze around 10 kts from the NW.
As others have mentioned the Shoal can be confusing if you are driving by chartplotter only. Pay attention to the markers and your depth guage, and favor the green.
Fortunately, the bottom is mud, and is often forgiving.
 
Apr 22, 2001
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Hunter 420 Norfolk, VA
Looking for some advice on weather patterns, time in the fall to look for - looking for a window to get across this Sound. It is apparently notorious for high seas wipped up from it's shallow water - tried to cross in July - constant SW winds for days with seas way to heavy for my little old Hunter 33 and old Yanmar diesel - no way on these headwinds and seas. Has anyone had this experience with the Sound and suggestions on predictive weather patterns fr a N to S passage ?

Thanks

jim
Jim,


Having crossed the Albemarle Sound at least a dozen times heading South in the Fall (and again North in the Spring), I can only add to RichH's excellent post that USUALLY in the Fall the prevailing winds are from the North and USUALLY it's an easy 2 hr or so downwind run to the Alligator River Bridge from the North River. If not, you will simply have to wait in Coinjock (or at anchor just before entering the open waters of the North River) for the winds to switch around after a cold front comes through.
It's ALWAYS "all about the weather" :)
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
I guess I've been lucky. Reading Mario's experience gave me the willies. I just finished a 4 day cruise in the Albemarle this past Friday (you can read about it on the Magregor forum). I've done two trips in the Albemarle. Once in a Rhodes 22 and once in a Mac V2-22. The hardest sailing I encountered was 4' chop ... but I am a bit of a weather hound. I don't like winds above 10 mph much and I reef early. A 10' chop with my family on board would scare the bejibers out of me. Mario, glad you survived with good spirits.

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RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
The whole area 'behind' the outer banks is notorious for generating 'instant' thunderstorms, T'storms that 'pop up' and without prior prediction from NOAA. .... thats why I recommend crossing this area as early in the day and before the 'land-heating' / sea breezes kick in.

ditto - the upper Delaware Bay.
 
Jan 27, 2008
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ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Don't underestimate the Neuse or pamlico either in heavy conditions. You get very short period steep chop building up and it is really hard to power through it, each wave tends to stop the boat then you don't have enough time to get moving again before the next one. Great for downwind runs but tough beating or powering into it. So the same cautions should apply to that area as well. Heading north out of Adams against a southwest or west very strong wind is a real challenge as the entrance to Adams takes some pretty sharp turns forcing you nose into a steep chop. I've seen a lot of boats get to that point, turn around and drop a hook in the creek and wait until it calms down before heading across to Oriental.
I haven't spent much time along there but the Pamlico River up to Washington likely has the same issues. All these areas are very shallow, with 20 feet being about a max depth.
Regarding the Alligator River, and the canal down to Bellhaven, this is all a wildlife sanctuary and federally protected lands so it is extermely remote. The Towboat US in Bellhaven is the closest assistance and about a 25 mile run to the south end of the alligator river. The anchorage Rich described is a great spot to spend the night, no lights, peace and quiet, just a few bears swimming by once in a while. It is a really beautiful area where I've seen bald eagles, lots of Osprey and all kinds of other wildlife on land.
 
Sep 27, 2008
209
Hunter 41 Longport,NJ
Thanks all - Am watching the weather this week, and if all goes well give it a shot over the labor day weekend - and for sure, we won't be doing any swimming off the boat !!!
 
Sep 27, 2008
209
Hunter 41 Longport,NJ
Thanks all for your advise.

Went across first thing past Sunday morning - from Elizabeth City to the mouth of the Alligator river was calm and easy, with light winds starting to build through the morning from the North East. Cool, clear, magnificent weather - breeze so light we motored across to make time - Thanks Earl ! Once in the Alligator River pulled up the canvas for a run south - terrific day. Great scenary running down the canals and terrific anchorage at the southern end of the Pungo-Alligator canal entrance

Monday was a bit rougher when we hit the Pamlico Sound as winds were veruy strong from the East and seas at about 4 feet - still quite manageable and terrific skies.

"It's all about the weather, stupid" of course proves true.
 
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