Hi everyone,I acquired a Vega recently and I have an issue I was wondering if you could give me some tip.The propeller pitch is on reverse when the remote control lever is in neutral. The engine throttle is correct at low rpm when in neutral but the boat wants to go backwards.Move the lever forward increases throttle and shapes the prop blades into neutral, and more lever forward shapes blades into forward.Do you know how can I regulate the propeller pitch? Do I need to disassemble the prop from outside? The boat is in the water and I was hoping to readjust from the prop boss or something on board.I found the document with the parts of the COMBI but I wonder if there's an easy way to adjust this or I'll need to stripe it out.Thanks in advance
Adjustment of propeller pitch (MD6a COMBI)
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Hi all I'm planning to move the tails of my main and jib halyards to the cabin top at the cockpit. I've got winches and blocks but I'm wondering about alternatives to rope clutches. Has anyone had success on a Vega using something simple like jam cleats, cam cleats, or traditional "wind-it-around-in-a-figure-eight" cleats for terminating lines when they're led aft?. Also, since our Vegas have the nice rib on each side of the cabin top that sheds water to the sides, it seems to me that any hardware will have to be elevated so the halyards don't chafe there. Any suggestions? Any rope clutches or alternatives which take the line higher so as to avoid this problem? Thanks Carl in Canada
Nothing beats rope clutches for holding lines under tension when sharing a winch. To clear the raised section elevate the clutches on blocks of wood or have raised stainless mounts made..
Hi,
You may change the propeller-throttle relative setting by unscrewing and
slightly moving the yellow triangular element on the starboard side of
the combi.
Marcin
V1958 "Lotta"
You may change the propeller-throttle relative setting by unscrewing and
slightly moving the yellow triangular element on the starboard side of
the combi.
Marcin
V1958 "Lotta"
Larry, It makes things easier, especially if your are single handing or the weather is snotty. Being able to set up the jib at the dock and raise it from the cockpit after you're away from the dock is convenient. Same for the main and it is really nice if you want to put in a reef to have the lines led aft. The topping lift can be eased and the Cunningham adjusted without going forward. Carl, I have rope clutches for the jib and main and cam cleats for the 3 reefs, Cunningham and topping lift. They are led from blocks on the mast and a bail mounted on the mast through deck organizers on the cabin top. I led them over the cabin top coaming to mark where they would go and then tunneled through the coaming and inserted PVC pipe as leads through the coaming. They were epoxied in place. I have Lewmar # 8s aft of each clutch. As I recall the project started out because I got a really good deal on the winches. All in all the project has worked out well. Walt, Lyric S/V 120P.S. Larry does your phone start out as 541 230-xxxx? From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 04:56:32 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
Hi Carl,
Hi Carl,
My solution for reefing while single handing has been to set my
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it's
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it's always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it's
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it's always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
Larry, Walt answered your question for me. Convenience. Plus safety. Particularly single handed in "snotty" weather. Walt, this project started for me because I got a great deal on a pair of winches as well. I like your idea of tunneling through the coaming. I know elevating organizers and winches and other hardware is conventional but it results in a taller lever so is less strong, IMHO. A-tunneling I will go. Epoxy sticks to PVC ok? Thanks all Carl To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:30:33 -0400Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
My solution for reefing while single handing has been to set my
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it's
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it's always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
My solution for reefing while single handing has been to set my
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it's
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it's always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
Thanks for your reply.That one adjusts the throttle. In my case, when the lever is in Neutral, the throttle is in neutral. There's nothing wrong with the throttle actually.But the propeller pitch is set to backwards so although in minimal RPM, the boat moves backwards.I removed this part you mentioned and I was removing the other handle on the port side (right across the COMBI), that connects to the control lever. The idea was to set the lever to forward (to the position where the propeller would be shaped neutral) then remove the lever handle and the throttle control you mentioned and re-position them in "neutral".It would work with the throttle, but not with the lever handle. The fitting isn't round, so I can't simply spin it and tight it up again.Also, I'm afraid I'd be setting neutral to what the COMBI has as backward, and that would limit the length of the moving part (the shaft) can have to go backwards. Reducing the total reverse pitch.Sorry for my English but it's
kinda hard to explain this.. On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:01 PM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi,
You may change the propeller-throttle relative setting by unscrewing and
slightly moving the yellow triangular element on the starboard side of
the combi.
Marcin
V1958 "Lotta"
kinda hard to explain this.. On Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:01 PM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi,
You may change the propeller-throttle relative setting by unscrewing and
slightly moving the yellow triangular element on the starboard side of
the combi.
Marcin
V1958 "Lotta"
Hummm…sounds like a good ideaers.Sent from Windows MailFrom: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:32 PMTo: n4lbl alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega]
Larry, Walt answered your question for me. Convenience. Plus safety. Particularly single handed in "snotty" weather. Walt, this project started for me because I got a great deal on a pair of winches as well. I like your idea of tunneling through the coaming. I know elevating organizers and winches and other hardware is conventional but it results in a taller lever so is less strong, IMHO. A-tunneling I will go. Epoxy sticks to PVC ok? Thanks all Carl To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:30:33 -0400Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
My solution for reefing while single handing has been to set my
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it\'s
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it\'s always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
Larry, Walt answered your question for me. Convenience. Plus safety. Particularly single handed in "snotty" weather. Walt, this project started for me because I got a great deal on a pair of winches as well. I like your idea of tunneling through the coaming. I know elevating organizers and winches and other hardware is conventional but it results in a taller lever so is less strong, IMHO. A-tunneling I will go. Epoxy sticks to PVC ok? Thanks all Carl To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:30:33 -0400Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
My solution for reefing while single handing has been to set my
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it\'s
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it\'s always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
Carl. I used WEST systems epoxy thickened with their 406 colloidal silica (Cabosil). Sand the PVC to rough it up. Make sure you deal with the hard edges on the inside of the tubes. Each tube will be different because of the angles of the lead and the angle and thickness of the coaming. I used Schafer 504-30 stacked double organizers. I don't see these in any of the online catalogs but they are available from the Schafer on-line store. They might be cheaper if special ordered through some one like Defender Marine. We used spinlock rope clutches and Harken Offshore Cam-Matic cam cleats topped with Harken #282 eye straps. This might have been overkill but I always figured you can't be to strong and Judy worked for West Marine at the time. (One of the benefits for working for them was a really great employee discount!) On the organizers I put the lines with the most tension on the bottom with the halyards inboard and the rope clutches also inboard. Set everything up dry before you epoxy the tubes in place. Your other concern is going to be through bolting the hard ware. I think there might be a letter in the archives from me about doing this without compressing the cabin top when you tighten the bolts. If you can't find it let me know and I'll go through it.Doug, I concur on the tiller-pilot and riding on the bow while underway! Only thing I'll add is it's best when dolphins are playing in the bow wave! Walt From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:32:36 -0400Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
Larry, Walt answered your question for me. Convenience. Plus safety. Particularly single handed in "snotty" weather. Walt, this project started for me because I got a great deal on a pair of winches as well. I like your idea of tunneling through the coaming. I know elevating organizers and winches and other hardware is conventional but it results in a taller lever so is less strong, IMHO. A-tunneling I will go. Epoxy sticks to PVC ok? Thanks all Carl To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:30:33 -0400Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
My solution for reefing while single handing has been to set my
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it's
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it's always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
Larry, Walt answered your question for me. Convenience. Plus safety. Particularly single handed in "snotty" weather. Walt, this project started for me because I got a great deal on a pair of winches as well. I like your idea of tunneling through the coaming. I know elevating organizers and winches and other hardware is conventional but it results in a taller lever so is less strong, IMHO. A-tunneling I will go. Epoxy sticks to PVC ok? Thanks all Carl To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:30:33 -0400Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
My solution for reefing while single handing has been to set my
tiller pilot and the go forward using a life harness clipped onto a
few rings I have mounted here and there. I am in the process of
going back to roller reefing on the boom. I now have, I guess it's
called jiffy reefing but I like the roller reffing better. I have
reefing points on the sail so if I need to reef down to a really
small rag I will use the top set of reefing points. Besides I like
to set the tiller pilot and go set on the bow pulpit and have a cup
of coffee. There is nothing prettier than a Vega parting the seas
from that point of view.
But yes it's always nice to have everything coming back to the
cockpit
-- Doug Pollard Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225 KK4YGO
n 07/10/2014 03:20 PM, walt judy brown allore bestvega@...
[AlbinVega] wrote:
I have owned several boats over the years and even the ugliest among
them are beautiful from that position. I think thats the reason the
Dolphins are rideing the bow waives.
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO
On 07/11/2014 12:24 PM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
them are beautiful from that position. I think thats the reason the
Dolphins are rideing the bow waives.
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO
On 07/11/2014 12:24 PM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
Hi Marcin,Thanks again for your reply. It makes sense and it will work. I'll try this weekend!The only thing is that the neutral position will be at position "3 o'clock" on the lever, if that makes sense. Almost touching the floor. It will enable me starting it while staying still and moving backward and forward though forward pitch will be limited I'm afraid.So clear now that to do the final adjustment I'll need the boat on the hard, doing so at the propeller.Thank you very much! Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Friday, July 11, 2014 7:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/07/14 23:49, Bruno Garcia brunogarcia123123@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Friday, July 11, 2014 7:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/07/14 23:49, Bruno Garcia brunogarcia123123@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
Marcin, I think I know what you mean about the control lever being at three o'clock because mine was there too. My throttle and the propeller blades were synchronized but the lever was in the wrong place and, as you say, I couldn't get much forward before the control lever hit the cockpit floor. Fortunately this was easy to fix. The lever is pressed onto a short splined shaft which comes out of the little box inside the locker- the box into which the control cable goes. I started with the engine in neutral and my objective was to get the control lever at 12 o'clock. My control lever was not bolted onto the splined shaft, so I carefully levered it off of the shaft (without turning the shaft). I then put the lever back onto the shaft but in the correct orientation. Presto! There may be a bolt holding the lever onto the shaft but mine was missing- the lever stays on fine without it. Good luck! Carl From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:44:39 -0700Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Adjustment of propeller pitch (MD6a COMBI)
Hi Marcin,Thanks again for your reply. It makes sense and it will work. I'll try this weekend!The only thing is that the neutral position will be at position "3 o'clock" on the lever, if that makes sense. Almost touching the floor. It will enable me starting it while staying still and moving backward and forward though forward pitch will be limited I'm afraid.So clear now that to do the final adjustment I'll need the boat on the hard, doing so at the propeller.Thank you very much!Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Friday, July 11, 2014 7:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/07/14 23:49, Bruno Garcia brunogarcia123123@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
Hi Marcin,Thanks again for your reply. It makes sense and it will work. I'll try this weekend!The only thing is that the neutral position will be at position "3 o'clock" on the lever, if that makes sense. Almost touching the floor. It will enable me starting it while staying still and moving backward and forward though forward pitch will be limited I'm afraid.So clear now that to do the final adjustment I'll need the boat on the hard, doing so at the propeller.Thank you very much!
Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Friday, July 11, 2014 7:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/07/14 23:49, Bruno Garcia brunogarcia123123@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
Walt Thanks for all the detail- it's going to be very helpful. I have most of the hardware already- the winches which got me started and I have organizers and a triple clutch for Gerhauer. I'll look into the Cam-Matic cam cleats for the lines with less load on them. Cheers Carl To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:47:31 -0400Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] alternative to rope clutch- halyards to cockpit
I have owned several boats over the years and even the ugliest among
them are beautiful from that position. I think thats the reason the
Dolphins are rideing the bow waives.
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO
On 07/11/2014 12:24 PM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
I have owned several boats over the years and even the ugliest among
them are beautiful from that position. I think thats the reason the
Dolphins are rideing the bow waives.
--
Doug Pollard
Albin Vega Sea Legs 2225
KK4YGO
On 07/11/2014 12:24 PM, walt judy brown
allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
That's a good tip Carl! Thanks.Combining both I think I can get the job done without taking the boat off the water. Thanks guys,Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:08 AM, "Carl Cavannah ccavannah@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Marcin, I think I know what you mean about the control lever being at three o'clock because mine was there too. My throttle and the propeller blades were synchronized but the lever was in the wrong place and, as you say, I couldn't get much forward before the control lever hit the cockpit floor. Fortunately this was easy to fix. The lever is pressed onto a short splined shaft which comes out of the little box inside the locker- the box into which the control cable goes. I started with the engine in neutral and my objective was to get the control lever at 12 o'clock. My control lever was not bolted onto the splined
shaft, so I carefully levered it off of the shaft (without turning the shaft). I then put the lever back onto the shaft but in the correct orientation. Presto! There may be a bolt holding the lever onto the shaft but mine was missing- the lever stays on fine without it. Good luck! Carl From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:44:39 -0700Subject: Re: [AlbinVega]
Adjustment of propeller pitch (MD6a COMBI)
Hi Marcin,Thanks again for your reply. It makes sense and it will work. I'll try this weekend!The only thing is that the neutral position will be at position "3 o'clock" on the lever, if that makes sense. Almost touching the floor. It will
enable me starting it while staying still and moving backward and forward though forward pitch will be limited I'm afraid.So clear now that to do the final adjustment I'll need the boat on the hard, doing so at the propeller.Thank you very much!Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Friday, July 11, 2014 7:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/07/14 23:49, Bruno Garcia brunogarcia123123@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
Thanks guys,Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:08 AM, "Carl Cavannah ccavannah@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote: Marcin, I think I know what you mean about the control lever being at three o'clock because mine was there too. My throttle and the propeller blades were synchronized but the lever was in the wrong place and, as you say, I couldn't get much forward before the control lever hit the cockpit floor. Fortunately this was easy to fix. The lever is pressed onto a short splined shaft which comes out of the little box inside the locker- the box into which the control cable goes. I started with the engine in neutral and my objective was to get the control lever at 12 o'clock. My control lever was not bolted onto the splined
shaft, so I carefully levered it off of the shaft (without turning the shaft). I then put the lever back onto the shaft but in the correct orientation. Presto! There may be a bolt holding the lever onto the shaft but mine was missing- the lever stays on fine without it. Good luck! Carl From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:44:39 -0700Subject: Re: [AlbinVega]
Adjustment of propeller pitch (MD6a COMBI)
Hi Marcin,Thanks again for your reply. It makes sense and it will work. I'll try this weekend!The only thing is that the neutral position will be at position "3 o'clock" on the lever, if that makes sense. Almost touching the floor. It will
enable me starting it while staying still and moving backward and forward though forward pitch will be limited I'm afraid.So clear now that to do the final adjustment I'll need the boat on the hard, doing so at the propeller.Thank you very much!
Bruno GarciaVega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Friday, July 11, 2014 7:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/07/14 23:49, Bruno Garcia brunogarcia123123@... [AlbinVega]
wrote:
Oops. Thanks Marcin. I don't have that plate and mark in the cockpit. The boat is new to me and I haven't yet tried to put the prop in "sailing position." I'll fiddle with that when the boat comes out of the water in the autumn and can look at the prop easily. Thanks Carl To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 06:22:04 +0200Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Adjustment of propeller pitch (MD6a COMBI)
Good tip! Will keep in mind!Thanks Bruno Garcia
Vega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Vega 2187 "Gabriela"Prague On Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:22 AM, "Marcin Palacz palacz@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com wrote: