Add winches and tracks Oday 222 fly symmetrical spinnaker

[Mich222]

I want to add winches and tracks to my Oday 222 in order to fly a symmetrical spinnaker. The attached pictures are of another Oday 222 port side spinnaker set up (winch forward from track). For size reference the winch in the picture is approximately 3.25 inches high, base diameter 3.75 inches , and standard sheet of paper is 8 inches by 11 inches.

I am looking for advice on the best Spinnaker setup for my Oday 222. Does the setup in the pictures look correct? I have a set of refurbished Barlow 16 winches that (if my homework is correct) should be right size. I have not yet purchased track or blocks. Do you have advice on where to mount winch, track ? Should I use a cleat as in the picture, or would other hardware be a better choice?? What track and block shall I purchase? Regarding winch angle: What is the best angle between base axis of winch to sheet entering the winch drum? Thanks Mich 222

 

[Barnacle Bill]

Re: Add winches and tracks Oday 222 fly symmetrical spinnake

You don't need tracks for a A-kite. You need a halyard (best if forward of the forestay (foretriangle), a downhaul line that attaches to the tack of the sail and then leads back to the cockpit, two blocks mounted on the deck well aft toward the rear corners of your vessel for the port and starboard sheets. The sheets then lead forward to winches (you can use the primaries or the secondaries on the cabin top). The tack of the sail should have a shap shackle of some sort to attach it to the forestay. Between the halyard, the down haul and the sheets, you can effectively trim the asymmetrical spinnaker.

 

[PrincessoftheLake]

Re: Add winches and tracks Oday 222 fly symmetrical spinnake

I am going to be around this weekend if you want me to come take a look. By the way, I don't think you would want an angle of much more than 10 degrees for the sheet entry. Barnacle Bill is pretty right (as he usually is) about what is needed for your setup but I wanted to clarify-are you looking to fly an asym chute or a sym chute? For a sym chute you will need a spin pole too. Hooper usually has some in stock. The spin pole would need to be equiped with a bridle and you will also need a topping lift led aft. Like I said I am around this weekend so I could come over and we can come up with a list of stuff and where it should go if you want me to. Let me know.

 

[Todd Smith]

Re: Add winches and tracks Oday 222 fly symmetrical spinnake

You don't need tracks for any spinnaker. The sheets go through blocks on ( or near) the aft quarters. You can shackle them to the toe rail or lash them to the deck cleats, or use any strong atachment point.

Where are your winches now ? If you have a pair of winches on the cabintop, then you might be able to just use them. Otherwise, the cleat and winch looks fine.

Finally, if this is a symetriccal spinakker with a pole you will need a topping lift and downhaul, but not a tack line.
You will also probably need "twings" which are a barber hauler to pull the sheet down to the toe rail on the windward side ( where the pole is ).

 

[Eric M]

Re: Add winches and tracks Oday 222 fly symmetrical spinnake

Barnacle Bill and Todd are both correct, you don't need the complexity of the tracks for the aft turning blocks. For a boat your size, you typically don't even need winches, the friction in the turning blocks at the back of the boat and a set of ratchet blocks near the front end of the cockpit to lead the sheets to the trimmers hands provide enough assistance for the loads you will see. Check out the J24 (similar size) setup at:
http://www.harken.com/OneDesign/j24.php
There are over 5000 of these around the US and 90% of them are all setup as shown in the above link. I used to own one and the setup worked well.

 

[Joe]

Re: Add winches and tracks Oday 222 fly symmetrical spinnake

No track. Shackle or lash bullet block a foot or so in front of transom, perhaps to a stanchion, cleat or you could install a padeye. On a 22 foot boat 1/4" sheets are adequate.. you could go 5/16" if it makes you feel better, but remember...the lighter the better...

You said "symetrical" so I assume you have a pole... right? Then you need a topping lift (you can use a spare jib halyard for now)... this holds the pole up. Then you need a "foreguy" which is the downward force on the pole. This line runs from the pole down to a padeye on the centerline of the foredeck, then back to the cockpit. This control.... along with the "afterguy" allows you to set the pole's fore and aft postion. The pole is supported and controlled by this triangle of lines... topping lift, foreguy and afterguy/sheet.

You also need a mast ring to hold the inboard end of the pole.... most boats have this on an adjustable track that allows you to set the pole height for trim purposes. Smaller boats set it in a fixed postion.

On a smaller boat, one set of lines will suffice for sheets and guys.... the line controling the free clew of the sail will be the sheet. The on the other side, the line controling the pole becomes the afterguy or just guy. When you jibe the sail and move the pole to the other side the two lines switch function.. the sheet is now the guy and vice versa.

A twing is desirable... it's like an adjustable jib lead. Near the widest part of the boat, rig a small block with light line and reave the line to another small block attached to the edge of the boat... toerail, stanchion base, whatever you can find. You'll need a small cleat for it also.... anyway... the spinsheet/guy runs through the twing(it's also called a tweaker)... what it allows you to do is pull the sheet angle down and forward, to clear the boom for example... or close the leech a bit... this works well on asymetrics also. On the guy side it will allow you to apply more downward force so the pole is more stable.

Now......... if you really meant "asymetrical" or "gennaker" or "cruising chute"... here's a picture and a link: http://www.fxsails.com/spinnarticle2.php Note... no track. You probably don't need the winches... most people bring the sheet forward, then across to a windward winch so they can see the luff while they trim... that's what I do anywayl.