Accuracy of hailing port

zeehag · Jul 14, 2010

IrishWake27 said:
I will soon be applying for documentation on the name and hailing port of my boat. Since it's my first boat, I'm wondering just how accurate the hailing port must be. I would like it to be where I consider home, which is in Colorado. But I'm currently living in another state on the coast, so must the hailing port be that in which I have a slip?

i was advised it can be anywhere you want it to be--i live in san diego and my boat has hailing port of santa barbara..it doesnt matter.

JoeWhite · Jul 14, 2010

However it must be the same name as it appear on the documentation otherwise there is a $ 10,000.00 fine for everyday that it is being used with the incorrect hailing port name!

zeehag · Jul 14, 2010

i used a company that does the search for old liens and such also--try to find one of those--is a bit pricey at just under 300 dollars but is worth every dime...i used dona jenkins, out of san diego--i know there are more, but i dont know names--i am sure they do it via online....goood luck...

RichH · Jul 15, 2010

Check CAREFULLY as I believe the rules on this may have recently changed as the 'hailing port' must now be the same as the 'post office' location where to get your MAIL.

zeehag · Jul 15, 2010

RichH said:
Check CAREFULLY as I believe the rules on this may have recently changed as the 'hailing port' must now be the same as the 'post office' location where to get your MAIL.

check with the service that does the documentation--if that is he case, the uscg should have sent notices out to those of us with different hailing port that address--there are very many--i havent heard of this change--if you want to believe something, make sure it is real. there are many little glitches that can happen--to the best of my knowledge, the hailing port of a documented vessel can be anywhere you wish it to be. i just renewed my docs on 2 boats. there are many folks living in one place with hailing ports another--if you have ANY doubt at all, contact either the uscg or a documenting service such as dona jenkins, out of san diego--i am sure they will give you accurate info. they do this as a business, after all......

kloudie1 · Jul 15, 2010

Here is the link for the rule.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/get-cfr.cgi?TITLE=46&PART=67&SECTION=119&YEAR=2001&TYPE=TEXT
I think it says the hailing port can be anywhere that is serviced by US mail.

larryw · Jul 15, 2010

I have no links or anything, but my boat is documented and I think you have two options; the port where the boat is kept, or the town where your mailing address is located. There are many boats in the Long Beach marina that are documented with Big Bear, CA; Corona, CA; Phoenix, AZ; etc.

zeehag · Jul 15, 2010

larryw said:
I have no links or anything, but my boat is documented and I think you have two options; the port where the boat is kept, or the town where your mailing address is located. There are many boats in the Long Beach marina that are documented with Big Bear, CA; Corona, CA; Phoenix, AZ; etc.

the FACT us you can have anyplace in the usa as a hailing port including the usvi and puerto rico. is fact and is done by many.. does NOT have to be where YOU live or get mail, eg, my formosa is with santa barbara as a hailing port. i donot go to santa barbara nor do i have mail receipt there--is a coupla hundred miles away from me..does not have to be where you live nor where you receive your mail.....
thankyou claude for your linky--backs my words! i have kept my boats documented for many years--is the only way to go ....

woodster · Jul 15, 2010

zeehag said:
the FACT us you can have anyplace in the usa as a hailing port including the usvi and puerto rico. is fact and is done by many.. does NOT have to be where YOU live or get mail, eg, my formosa is with santa barbara as a hailing port. i donot go to santa barbara nor do i have mail receipt there--is a coupla hundred miles away from me..does not have to be where you live nor where you receive your mail.....
thankyou claude for your linky--backs my words! i have kept my boats documented for many years--is the only way to go ....

where do you pay your property taxes on the boats ....i am not sure how that works if say i was cg regestered with a port of call and do you have to pay state property tax on the boat if it is cg regerstered....

regards

woody

zeehag · Jul 15, 2010

woodster said:
where do you pay your property taxes on the boats ....i am not sure how that works if say i was cg regestered with a port of call and do you have to pay state property tax on the boat if it is cg regerstered....

regards

woody

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property tax is related to where you physically reside. i pay for san diego. is where i rent my moorings. i reside aboard my formosa.
my boat is home ported as santa barbara, cali..she hasnt been in santa barbara for over 6 yrs.uscg is aware of this..they are the doc folks--is easy to get thru a company that does specifically that--making sure your boat is documentable. they make sure are no liens or other reasons uscg would refuse documentation.
property tax changes, as in locale of boat--is your own responsibility as to notifying your county of residence as you exit that you are no longer keeping your boat there so they dont skin you for back taxes you donot owe....

the sales tax, in kali is the state board of equalization that places and collects your sales tax . other states may have other names but is name here. they WILL find you also..you should notify them of impending purchase or as the boat is purchased.....

seadaddler · Jul 15, 2010

But

If you buy a boat in one state and document it in that state and they do not collect a tax and you really keep your boat in another state that state you really keep your boat more than 3 months that state will want a tax from you.
An example say I buy a new boat in Virginia and document in Virginia and take the boat to NY and keep it in NY for I think it is 30 days in a Marina the tax people come around to check the Marina's list and see who is using he's boat in NY even if documented and tell them you really just visiting they will want the tax.
Nick

Stu Jackson · Jul 15, 2010

Nick, it could well be that way, like the recent thread that Roger Long started about Maine. Seems to me (logic speaking, not tax law) that zeehag hit the nail on the head with a very good example. If you've paid your property tax in another state (and it certainly wouldn't hurt to have proof of that with you as part of your boat documents) then when you are TRAVELING you shouldn't get double dinged.

That's logic, NOT the tax man speaking. I previously noted that if I ever move my boat out of the county it is current in, it's a real bear with this particular county about them getting me off their property tax roles.

Government as another nuisance? What else is new. Welcome to your new third world country.

Any tax guys out there? Who can give us a real answer instead of us being logical and all...

Hermit Scott · Jul 15, 2010

I just looked at this, I think it must be where the boat is kept or where your home address is listed. But those rules apply when a boat is documented. I don't know what the rules are if the boat is sold.

zeehag · Jul 16, 2010

home/hailing port can be anywhere within the reach of uspostalservice--doesnt have to be home or marina--can be st thomas, usvi!!!!! even if you live in colorado and have the boat in santa barbara!!!!! LOL is easy!!!!

and you can buy /sell in any place in the world!!!!!! doesnt matter--if you stay out of country for a year--yes, was again changed, then you can avoid the sales tax. kali was a yr just last yr--they change it so much is a good thing to remain out a yr just in case-besides, is funner..LOL...if you return within the specified period, you pay the sales tax in the locale in which you berth the boat permanently.

my boats have all been documented--i have had many since 1990....when cruising is a wise idea to be documented--is easier to find boat in event of theft and is recognized by the nations to which you sail , whereas the state reg is not recognized.