Absolute necessities for sailing in the Bahamas?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Great video Hermit :laugh:
I knew at part one how it was going to end and I wonder what ever did happen?
He said in the video the engine overheated. My guess is they lost the impeller and the motor overheated. The owner(the chubby guy) sold that boat and bought a compac 23.

I can't believe anyone would go on a journey like that and not bring a cooler of beer! I bet Hatian refugees going to Miami had a better trip than those guys. I guess they didn't have any money for the trip, he says in the video that they needed a battery and he hoped someone would take a down payment on one, or loan them one.
I love the segment in the first video titled "Literally a few minutes later"
Those guys only did one thing right by my count; they knew how to call the coast gaurd. Of course they did it because they got stuck on a sand bar but still if they were sinking they could make the call.
 
Apr 2, 2007
29
-Catalina C-36 Hull 1041 & Marshall 18 Catboat - W2CWL Punta Gorda, FL
Flo, Just returned from the Bahamas. Planning is going to be your big asset here. I'd like to embellish on someone's post. There is a lot of unwelcome excitement heading off into unknown waters in a boat you are not familiar with. Why not take the Okeechobee Water Way across Florida, sail to the Keys & the Gulf Islands, Dry Tortuga, Key West and then to the Bahamas? The Bahamas are not that different and the beaches are better in Florida with more reasonable costs.

First: Costs will be double of what you are expecting. Diesel may cost you up to $7-8 US dollars per imperial gallon. Repairs are outrageous, mon! And there is no living off the land there. Do not even think of working and making any sort of income. Under no circumstances carry a firearm in the Bahamas. You'll be forced to check it and good luck on getting it back.
I don't wish to step on your dreams, but the Bahamas are not a place to throw caution to the wind.
Sail Florida first with the Bahamas as you final destination.
Fair winds.
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Flo,
Where your desire to defend your bf and your decisions is quite admirable, it is not needed here. People are simply giving you suggestions and voicing concerns of safety. Cruising with blue water stretches is something to be taken very seriously. Most likely you will find a good weather window and have a peaceful cruise over to the islands. That being said, being a prudent sailor means that you need to prepare for the worst and be ready if you hit a squall while being out there.

This board is full of knowledge from people with a vast amount of experience. We do not want to deter people from following their dreams and we tend to encourage people into getting into sailing and cruising. They key is that people will impart their knowledge and opinions freely and some playful joking may be involved. The best way to benefit from this board is to take the suggestions that have merit and look into them. As with most things, a good teacher can teach a topic to a student, but it is up to the student to fill in any blanks that the teacher didn't make crystal clear. Homework will be necessary.

I hope that my new girlfriend takes to sailing and cruising with the kind of attitude that you are displaying. It is a big adventure and it takes a special kind of person to cruise like that. No matter what you think, there will be aspects of the trip that will test your relationship (this happens in everyday life as well). It is not a big issue, but be aware that spending long periods of time in an area not much bigger than a walk-in closet can be tough at times.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress as we all will be interested in hearing how things go. Maybe you all should write a book about your experience (take plenty of photos).
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,016
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Flo, did you ever read

the link I asked Phil to post about Steph & Brian's adventure?

Well put, Bad Obsession.
 

Flo

.
Nov 24, 2009
11
Morgan Morgan 28 Miami
So, just a little update.... Troy (my boyfriend) has been working on the boat since he got to Miami. He and his brother have been hanging out with the guy who sold them the boat, and another guy from Canada that bought a boat from the same guy as us and is doing basically the same thing we are. He told me that whenever I get there (this Sunday!!) we're going to take a 2 day trip to an island that's about 2 hours from Miami. So it'll be 3 sailboats in all going. Troy said that Sprocket (my dog) loves being on the boat. They were surrounded by kiteboarders one day and Sprocket just layed on the deck and watched them, and another day there were a lot of manatees and he did the same thing. Because we taught him how to climb a ladder, Troy says that Sprocket runs back and forth between the deck and cabin all day. We always keep harnesses on them, so when Sprocket fell in the water a couple of times Troy just scooped him up really easily. Thankfully both of our dogs have very short hair. Anyways, so far Troy has bought a new laptop, a waterproof/shatterproof camera, a solar panel, and a dingy; and he's going to get a watermaker, wind generator, and lots of other things I can't remember. I've been buying things to organize and clean up and he's been doing all the fixin up on the boat. We're trying to figure out what we're gonna do about keeping in touch with people, what do you guys use? Is there satellite internet service for kinda cheap? He was looking at a thing that you pay like $50 a month and have unlimited texts and whichever emails you choose can always see where you are. He was also looking at AAA that's like $200 a year and they will come tow you within a hundred miles of the US 4 times a year and they'll bring you gas; do any of yall have this or find it useful? I was also wondering, isn't it illegal to drink while you're on a boat? I have a couple friends that got arrested for it, but that was on a lake. I'm sure we'll be wanting to party it up on the way to that island, especially since I can legally drink beer in international waters! :)

I saw the video... that is pretty sad! Hopefully Troy has a little more common sense than those guys.
 
May 7, 2004
252
Hunter 38 Little River, SC
Flo,
consider Tow Boat US or Sea Tow as the AAA on the coastal waters. They will respond within a certain distance of their home base(s) and they have various plans which you should make an informed decision about subscribing to BEFORE the need arises.
Regarding partying on the boat--- you should consider that Local Law Enforcement such as Dade County Sheriff, Florida DNR, and USCG all have authority in the area that you are talking about and that OPERATING the vessel while under the influence carries many if not all of the same consequences as operating a vehicle under the influence, and you might be well advised to limit your consumption of adult beverages to after anchoring/securing the boat for the night. During the periods of operating the boat you all should drink water or fruit juices to avoid dehydration.
Wi-Fi for your laptop is available in the settled areas of the Abacos, but you will have to subscribe to a service such as OUT ISLAND Internet and your signal will be marginal at best from the boat.
Steve
 

Flo

.
Nov 24, 2009
11
Morgan Morgan 28 Miami
Okay, so I'll just tell Troy he gets to be the DB... Buttt you're right, we probably need to just wait til we get there... I just talked to him on the phone and he said we're going to Elliot Key, which is not where I thought we were headed but I definitely think it will be fun. It's right above Key Largo, so I guess all drinking laws still apply. :(
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Three people on a 28 foot boat is going to be close quarters. I could see taking my Catalina 30 with myself and my GF for that trip...but a third person would slightly tight in my Catalina 30 as you have to have so much storage on the boat for clothes and food.

Good luck but you will eventually see what we mean by it being close quarters.
 
Mar 7, 2005
53
HR 40 Chesapeake Bay
Flo,

I know for me that three adults and two large dogs in a 28' boat would lead to disaster, but maybe it will work for you. You have to decide that. I would suggest a back-up plan agreed in advance so there are no hurt feelings.

- What are the things that you HAVE to have on the boat and would die if you didn't have them?
Water. Replacing what you carry in tanks on your boat is important. You will want to have at least two good-sized jugs. Most cruisers have either 5 gallon plastic jugs or 3-to-4 gallon collapsible water "tanks." If the tankage on your boat is small, the collapsible tanks could be used directly on the boat. More is better although it does take room. My girlfriend and I can go about a week with 120 gallons on board cooking, cleaning, drinking, and rinsing off after swimming.

- How do you clean clothes?
Generally in laundromats, sometimes a local lady who takes in laundry, and in between with ammonia/fresh water (no detergent). The latter does not require a rinse and works very well.

- Are there any areas in the bahamas that we should avoid? and is it okay to bring a gun?
Unless you are particularly into casinos and watching cruise ship passengers I would avoid Nassau. I wouldn't be here myself if not to pick my girl friend up from the airport tomorrow. Guns are a subject in themselves of tremendous controversy. I'd suggest leaving them home unless you have a particularly good reason to have one aboard. If you do bring one I suggest your research include direct contact with Bahamian officials before you leave home to ensure all your information is in order.

- Is it going to be hell having two fairly large dogs?
I would think so. As others have noted, start on noonsite.com and then contact the appropriate Bahamian officials to avoid nasty surprises.

- Is it possible to catch enough fish to use for food, or will we have to buy meat on the islands? (I know we'll have to atleast buy rice and other things like it)
I think so, but you'll likely spend all your time fishing instead of exploring and enjoying yourselves. Note the ciguatera concerns already posted.

Even if the boat doesn't have a freezer you can bring some frozen meats in a cooler (more space) and eat them as they thaw.

Consider making space for paper goods (paper towels and toilet paper) which are quite expensive here and buying food like the locals eat which is cheaper than trying to eat like you do at home. If you plan to cook aboard (much cheaper than out) think through what you will really use and take just that. You probably only have one or two burners to work with and may not have an oven. Regardless you'll soon find yourself looking for ways to avoid heating up the boat. Definitely get a grill that mounts on the rail on deck and a small pot you can use on the grill for small sides. Don't forget oven mitts, pot holders, and/or dish towels - whatever you use for moving hot things about in the kitchen. You definitely need trivits to put hot pots on to avoid damaging the boat.

As others have noted, you'll avoid a lot of regulatory issues with the dogs if you go to the Keys vice the Bahamas. That said, those who have decried you for launching into an offshore bluewater adventure without sufficient experience are grossly overstating the case. The little hop from Miami or Ft Lauderdale to the Bahamas is simply NOT bluewater. It's an overnight sail that is extraordinarily well-documented and for which there are lots of weather resources available. Yes, you have to understand the effects of the Gulf Stream and the effects of wind speed,direction, and duration on the Gulf Stream but it isn't hard. Sailing up and down the coast won't really contribute to your understanding of it (although it might be a wise investment in knowing the boat, yourselves, and developing your skills).

You should spend time watching the weather forecasts and learning about weather. It's important no matter which course you choose. Good marine VHF radio communications is very important and a major safety item - a cell phone is NOT a substitute. Everyone onboard should be able to comfortably operate the radio. Get good charts - Explorer Charts are the gold standard for the Bahamas. Make sure you have good anchor equipment and know how to use it. Unfortunately there is more bad information on anchors and anchoring than good on the Internet and in sailing publications; sorting the wheat from the chaff is hard. In my own opinion with any of the major brands of anchor technique is more important than the anchor as long as it is sized reasonably. Again in my opinion if you do have to buy a new anchor it is wise to select one of the new generation ones (Rocna, Spade, or Raya). If you have a CQR, a Bruce, or a Delta and it is big enough you will generally be fine if you know how to use it effectively. A new gen anchor still won't hold you if you don't anchor properly - they are just better, not magic.

Look at that - guns, anchors, new sailors all in one thread. Isn't this fun?

Whatever you decide have a great time and enjoy yourselves.

sail fast and eat well, dave
S/V Auspicious
lying Nassau Bahamas
 

Flo

.
Nov 24, 2009
11
Morgan Morgan 28 Miami
Hey guys I'm back!! I've been here living on the boat for about 2 weeks now and I am loving it!! I'm guessing our boat is a lot roomier than most b/c it is PERFECT for me, Troy, and his brother Eric, and even our dogs!! Okay, I admit that it is a small hassle to have to dingy the dogs to shore to use the bathroom but it is totally worth it!! They're awesome at jumping up deck and back down into the cabin, and Hazel (my girl dog) has fallen in twice but not a big deal at all, we just scoop her right up by her harness. Same goes for Sprocket (the boy dog) except for he actually really likes the water, so when he falls in it's not as dramatic. It's funny b/c our boat is 28.5 feet, and we went on a boat the other day that was 27 feet and it is soooo much smaller than ours it's crazy!! For one thing, our V birth is a lot bigger than most I think. The dogs stay at the bottom and there's perfect room for Troy and I in the middle part. His brother sleeps in the 1/4 birth down at the bottom and sometimes Sprocket goes and joins him. We actually have a buddy that's been hanging out in his boat right next to ours and he always comes over and hangs out with us all day and all night if we decide to have a few drinks. But all I can say is that everything has gone amazingly!! Thanks so much for all yalls help! I cannot wait until we finally leave, we're gonna head to Elliot in a few days! Wish us luck!
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
That is great. I tried looking up Elliot, where is that? (distance and direction from Miami) Are you guys going to get a SPOT? From most of the reviews don't count on the rebate, but it still seems worth it at the unrebated price for what you are going to be doing.
 
Sep 25, 2008
4
Hunter 41 DS Sturgeon Bay
We spent a year there on a 41...You are required to get a dog permit at about $50 form the Bahama Gov. Also is a $300 cruse permit good for about 6 months max. Also be aware of BIG storms possible. Marsh Harbor is very cool though and the islands are great!
 
Jun 21, 2009
24
Pearson Rhodes 41 New Iberia, LA
What a refreshing thread! Makes me think back to many years ago and the exuberance of youth, doing extended cruising on small boats. We spent a year cruising aboard a 22-footer and even occasionally had another couple meet us for a week or so.

I feel boat size is mostly a state of mind. We ran into a couple with two pre-teens living aboard a 24-footer. They wouldn't have a larger boat if you gave them one. On the other hand, ran into a couple on an 80-footer who were looking at a 95-footer because they needed more room.

Seems that Flo and company pretty much have their act together and will hopefully pay heed to the loads of good advice.

Morgan 28. 28.5 feet. Sounds like it might be a Morgan Out Island 28, which is like 36 feet of boat inside. VERY roomy.

Rick
 
Dec 30, 2009
680
jeanneau 38 gin fizz sloop Summer- Keyport Yacht Club, Raritan Bay, NJ, Winter Viking Marina Verplanck, NY
If you really love your dogs find someone to watch them for you. AN experienced sailor on a bigger boat at sea , especially a foreign port, would be asking for trouble. Going in and out of country they will hassle you about fruit...........You will have your hands full without the dogs. This is plain commonn sense......Red
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
If you really love your dogs find someone to watch them for you. AN experienced sailor on a bigger boat at sea , especially a foreign port, would be asking for trouble. Going in and out of country they will hassle you about fruit...........You will have your hands full without the dogs. This is plain commonn sense......Red
Some people love their dogs like you love your kids. I would get rid of my boat before I would get rid of my dog. There is a reason the Bahamas give permits, because they allow dogs. If it's a hassel then it's a hassel, which I doubt.
Some people just wouldn't enjoy the trip with out their dogs. I know I wouldn't.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.