About that Cherubini 36.

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Rardi, you often site similarities between your H36 and the H37C. But what about the differences? We know it is a sloop. And I believe there is no aft cabin of any kind. So your interior must be very unique. Is the cockpit huge? Maybe you have pictures. I have always thought how curious that Hunter built two boats so similar in size in the same years, 80-82.
 
Mar 11, 2009
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Hunter 37-Cutter Whitby Ontario (on Lake Ontario)
We had one in our marina last year. On the surface that look very much the same from the outside, but inside they are very different. Many things that make our cutters real tough boats are not in the 36. They are 2000 lbs lighter and the mast is deck stepped (correct me if i'm wrong). From the reports from the owner, they don't sail as well.
 
Jun 5, 2010
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Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
Re: Cherubini 36 family consanguity

The H36 is a second-generation 'bastard' of the 33. When the 33 was designed (this would be the first one, known as the 'bubble-top', resembling the gen-1 25's), John and Warren challenged (read that: instructed) my dad to do a 35 using the same hull. A hull was cut from the 33 mold and then modified, namely by splitting the bow and adding onto the transom, and a new plug and mold built. Then they had him design a rig for this 1st-gen 'bastard'. The 36 was then made in the same way from the 35. When they came to get him to draw the rig for that boat, my dad reportedly said, 'I don't know that boat.' :) But he did concoct the rig for it.

I happen to like the 36-- it's got a nice lean look that is (ironically) typical of my dad's work.

The 37/37c is an entirely new design, not a progeny of the 33/35/36 family.

I apologize for the term 'bastard' but it is (sadly) appropriate here. For a 'legitimate' family relationship, the Raider 33 is kin to the 1st-gen Hunter 25. They are virtually the same kind of boat, only different in scale.

(The Raider 33 is NOT related in either of these two ways to the Hunter 33. The degree of relationship between the two is the same as the H33 is to the H37.)
 
Jun 21, 2007
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Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Hi Ed: When I jump in about similarities between the H36 and H37C, its for topics where either I've observed or make an educated guess that the two models are likely to be common. Such as the toe-rails and stanchion construction (a 37 at another Sausalito marina is the exact same as mine except if I measured maybe there's a few inches difference in the length of the toe-rail). Or that the core material for deck, cockpit and cabin top is likely to be plywood squares. Or that our boats both have (or had in my case) the anti-turbulence flaps over the gap between the hull-skeg and the rudder. The boats came from the same manufacturer and had production run year over-lap. Only makes sense the much of the construction methods were the same.

But I do know that the two models, aside from the obvious dimension differences, are also very different in overall layout and design. I read most all the 37C threads, but only participate if I think I might be able to add something or if the discussion leads to something that might also be of use for my H36.

From what I've seen on YachtWorld For-Sale photographs, the 36 and 37 interiors are laid out very differently. You are correct, my H36 does not have an aft cabin or berth. On the aft starboard side, the space that would open up from the interior to under the starboard cockpit seat is separated from the interior by a bulkhead. The electrical panel and the nav station is mounted on it. From the cockpit, lifting up the starboard seat reveals a large empty space. Stuff can be stored there. I leave it uncluttered, except for my fenders when I'm sailing. Climbing down into this area, and taking out a removable part of the engine box, I have great access to the entire starboard side of the 2QM20 engine, the steering gear under the pedestal, and the stuffing box. I have seen some 80-82 H36 pictures on YachtWorld where this starboard space is used for a berth. Ridiculously small for that purpose. I would much rather have the engine access! Another feature of my H36 in the cockpit is that a good portion of the floor is actually a removable hatch right above the engine. It takes about two minutes to remove all the screws so that the hatch can be lifted. If ever the engine needs to be removed, or I need to do something like replace a head gasket, its no problem. Replacing my exhaust elbow was a snap. The drawback to this hatch arrangement is its prone to water leaks. I've made some modification to the original design that has stopped them. But I have to remain diligent! For a 36' boat, the seating space in the cockpit is small. I'll try to remember to send you the measurements. But the interior, at least to me, has a roomy open feel to it. Hunter claims 6'5" of head room, 1" more than the 36C. I'm 6'4". I don't need to stoop at all to walk around.

Don: Yes the 80-82 H36 mast is deck stepped. The compression post underneath is a standard plumbing grade galvanized steel pipe (3" - 4" diameter). The base rests in the bilge where some rust has developed. But picking around with a sharp awl, my base still seems to have strong steel left. The bilge well on my boat is quite deep and has a good aft-ward slope. Previous owners used just one bilge pump and the float allowed 2-3" water as the normal level which would slosh up around to the compression post base. I have added a micro bilge pump very far aft which keeps the water level at about 1/2" and at the very aft only at that. The forward 4-5 feet of the bilge is now always totally dry and the compression post base never gets sloshed with seawater. I'm hoping that I'll get many more years out of it. As for how the boat sails, I really don't have much experience on other boats. However, friends that have multi-boat experience say they are impressed with the manners of my H36. (Of course they may not want to hurt my feelings.) I do observe that I seem to be a few pointing degrees disadvantaged compared to other mid/large cruising boats on SF Bay. The boat is designed for toe rail jib sheet leads, which I have maintained. No inner track. Another factor is that my sails, while still visually presentable, are many, many years old and surely stretched out a lot. A new head sail in particular would probably add back a few degrees into the wind.

For JC: I enjoyed your recount of the 80-82 H36's method of conception. Bit of a shot-gun wedding! As you included in your post, the 80-82 36 does have some qualities. Many people and things from unorthodox or unplanned lines of heritage turn out quite well.
 
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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
There you are Rardi. That's what I was looking for. Pictures would be great. It seems like your interior must be larger because I don't think that you have the separate shower. And if the cockpit is smallish then you have at least as much room as the H37C. Our starboard aft sections are similar, I also have the large starboard locker. But because the icebox extends back into it I do lose some storage. And that bulkhead comes out for engine access but I never go in that way.

I discounted what Don wrote about sailing quality. I expect with good sails it would actually do better than my shoal-draft H37C. You have the advantage of a big jib. Like you I really enjoyed JC's historic input. Great to have you around here JC!
 
Feb 14, 2010
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Hunter H33C Quincy, MA
Re: Cherubini 36 family consanguity

JC - I'm curious about the history of the 33. . . I read on one post that your father called the 33 "the queen of the fleet" is this true, and what is it that made the 33 special (I bought a shoal draft 1981 H33 earlier this year; I have a lot to learn but I love the interior layout)
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 36_80-82 -
Our 82 H36 has the stbd qtr berth and really happy it does as it adds lots of interior space as well as a comfortable bunk for passenger/crew. As noted above, engine compartment access suffers with the stbd berth arrangement but, with the large removable hatch in the cockpit floor, overall engine/transmission/packing gland access is acceptable.

Since our H36 has been on the hard for about 2 yrs for repairs (damage from slip neighbor's boat fire in 2007), I've had a chance to dig into the H36 moreso than when in water.

Our compression post is of the wooden type. I think JC said in an earlier thread that spruce was used. I removed the head door and trim along the backside of the compression post area to gain access. Think I am the first to check this area as the PO was the original owner and said he hadn't checked it out. I was very pleasantly surprised to find absolutely no evidence of water intrusion or compression of the cabin top. This compression post arrangement is made up of two wooden posts separated in the middle by a pvc conduit containing the electrical wiring that goes to the mast. I've got pictures if anyone is interested. My fear was that the post may have deteriorated due to age and would need replacing. My plan was to replace with a stainless steel post. After seeing the excellent condition of the wooden post, I'm leaving it. Hopefully, will last another 28 yrs! Our compression post support in the bilige also shows signs of rust but seems to be very solid. Keeping the bilge as dry as possible likely helps. Except for excessive leakage through the propeller shaft gland seal, our bilge has always been dry. Actually, I've had more water in the bilge while on the hard. Had to disconnect the stbd deck drain hose thru-hull and bilge pump discharge hose in the stbd hull side. My temporary setup to handle rain water failed allowing water into the interior and filling the bilge. (Had a very wet summer.)

I've read on the forms that some think the hull of this boat are solid fiberglass. The H36 is solid glass below the water line and cored fiberglass from water line to toe rail. I've pictures of a spot on our stbd hull side stripped of the fire damaged glass that shows the coring. I originally thought the entire hull was solid glass because, when inside the boat, I could see sunlight through the glass around a couple of thru-hulls like the bilge pump discharge. Hunter used all fiberglass in the areas of thru-hulls, however; the rest of the hull above the water line is cored.

I've plans to replace the standard propeller shaft packing with a dripless packing. Has anyone done this for the H36? If so, do you know the make and model of the dripless packing? Does anyone out there know the OD of the shaft log on the H36?
 
Jun 21, 2007
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Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Dear Dick:

Thanks for your informative "post" (a pun is intended because of the compression "post" topic).

I can observe the base of my galvanized pipe compression post by lifting the forward bilge cover, sticking my head down as far as it can go, and looking forward. What I see is the bottom end of a galvanized pipe and the electrical wire from the mast which comes down freely without a pvc conduit. I've always assumed that this pipe is "the" compression post that extends all the way up to the underside of the deck directly below the mast step. By your description, on your boat, you don't see a metal pipe from this vantage point? If not, Hunter used very different compression post construction methods between models. (My hull# is 36.) Or one of our PO's made a modification.

Re the cored hull above the water line. Sorry about your fire damage. Distressing to be sure. I also "knew" that my hull was not cored. This because when I drilled/cut into the hull a few inches below the toe-rail to install another bilge pump line, it was solid. Also when I have been in the void space forward of the v-berth, where there is no interior liner, the whole interior side of the hull glows a little bit from the sunshine outside. So I have always assumed that the entire hull is solid with no core. I guess that since the core is above the waterline and my boat hasn't encountered any problems over 20 years, it doesn't make much difference at this point.

Most of the YachtWorld pics I have seen are for H36's without the aft berth. Maybe Hunter changed the design somewhere along their production run. Glad that you like your layout. I'm sure that I would be fine with it as well if that was my setup.

Again thanks your post.

rardi
 
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