A 'Refrigerator Insulation' Success Story

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Sep 12, 2005
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Hunter Legend '45 St Claire Shores
All,

I just completed my latest boat upgrade project last weekend and wanted to pass on the results to all of you.

My 1988 Hunter Legend refrigerator's original performance (as installed) just wasn't cutting it. The Adler Barbour Cold Machine's with its Danfoss BD50F compressor ran all the time and wouldn't cool the refrigerator section below 48F. The freezer wasn't much better. It would only freeze the items placed in the VDF-150 evaporator itself. The AB system was rated up to 9 cu. ft., and should have had ample capacity to handle the 6 cu. ft. volume of the Frig/Freezer unit.

According to the U.S. government's Energy Star program, the ideal setting for your refrigerator should be between 35 and 38 degrees Fahrenheit. The ideal temperature for storing and freezing foods in a freezer is 0 degrees F or less.

The problem, as many of you already know was no insulation. When I took the stove out to gain access to the panel covering the refrigerator compartment, I discovered that there was virtually no insulation other than the 1/2" of foam sprayed on the outside of the refrigerator box itself before being dropped into the galley countertop. This installation created a 2-5" void around the refrigerator box that allowed ambient air to circulate around it, which explained why it wasn't able to reach the proper cooling temperature.

After researching several possible solutions to this problem on the internet, I decided upon using a liquid 'closed cell' foam insulation product sold by Fiberglass Coatings Inc. It has an R-value of ~5 per inch and is very moisture/mold resistant. This decision was based upon my desire not to remove the galley countertop or scar it and/or the refrigerator with allot of holes. I purchased 2-gallons of this product (1 gallon each of the A & B components). It cost $100 and was advertised to provide 8 cubic feet of insulation foam. Its expansion ratio is approximately 12:1 (not the 30:1 ratio of the 'open cell' foam sold in spray cans). Curing time is 15-20 minutes and it doesn't produce too much heat. I estimated the volume of the space around the refrigerator to be about 6.75 cu. feet. I ended up using every drop of the liquid foam to do this job.

My plan was to seal the bottom and sides of the galley compartment that the refrigerator sat in and fill it from the bottom to the top (in several layers) with this liquid foam insulation.

I attacked this problem in much the same way that you would frame up a walk way in order to pour concrete. I did my best to seal the outside edges around the Frig compartment with duct tape, where the counter side panels met the hull floor. Which gave me my 1st Lesson learned! Which is; 1) Always try to seal the compartment from the inside, because the liquid which is the consistency of pancake syrup will leak through, if you don't. The Second Lesson Learned was; 2) Pour the first layer in each section with the minimum amount of foam needed to seal the compartment. Because using LESS is better if you get a leak somewhere. However, the real beauty of this product is that regardless of getting a leaks or not, you are going to seal that area in the end. The leaks only means that you'll have to go back and remove the foam after it cures. :doh:

After about five (5) separate pours over the course of the two days I worked on the job, I filled the compartment all the way up to the countertop. I did have to cut two (2) access holes/hatches (each about 2 x 1 inches) one in the top of the rear countertop. The other in the top of the panel on the opposite side of the access panel next to the stove.

Bottomline: Once I was done, I placed a thermometer in each compartment (Frig & Freezer) and ran the refrigerator unit on a Medium setting (4-5 out of a dial range of 7) overnight. When my wife and I came back to check on it the next morning, the Frig compartment was showing 35F and the middle of the Freezer compartment (not inside the evaporator box) was showing 28F. SUCCESS HURRAH!!! :dance:

Regards,

James
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,235
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Congratulations! This sounds like a great upgrade that most of us need to do.

Any chance you have pictures?
 
Jun 9, 2013
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Rafiki 37 Novato, California
Hello James10016,

Congratulations on your project. I have one question, where did you find the information on R-Value? I looked but even if it was in plain sight I didn't see it. Reached my spent enough time on this limit so I hope you can help.

I assume Fiberglass Coatings Inc. is: https://www.fgci.com/Default.aspx

and that this is the link to what you purchased: https://www.fgci.com/bp_viewproduct.aspx?itemnum=135435&oldItem=135435

technical data sheet: https://www.fgci.com/TDS/NCFI Liquid Foam 2lb System TDS.pdf

material safety data sheet: https://www.fgci.com/MSDS/NCFI Liquid Foam 2 lb. Kit.pdf

Thanks.

Ken
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Hello James10016,

Congratulations on your project. I have one question, where did you find the information on R-Value? I looked but even if it was in plain sight I didn't see it. Reached my spent enough time on this limit so I hope you can help.

I assume Fiberglass Coatings Inc. is: https://www.fgci.com/Default.aspx

and that this is the link to what you purchased: https://www.fgci.com/bp_viewproduct.aspx?itemnum=135435&oldItem=135435

technical data sheet: https://www.fgci.com/TDS/NCFI Liquid Foam 2lb System TDS.pdf

material safety data sheet: https://www.fgci.com/MSDS/NCFI Liquid Foam 2 lb. Kit.pdf

Thanks.

Ken
Someplace like this....

http://www.fomo.com/resources/technical-bulletins/opencellvsclosed.aspx
 
Sep 12, 2005
34
Hunter Legend '45 St Claire Shores
Hello James10016,

Congratulations on your project. I have one question, where did you find the information on R-Value? I looked but even if it was in plain sight I didn't see it. Reached my spent enough time on this limit so I hope you can help.

I assume Fiberglass Coatings Inc. is: https://www.fgci.com/Default.aspx

and that this is the link to what you purchased: https://www.fgci.com/bp_viewproduct.aspx?itemnum=135435&oldItem=135435

technical data sheet: https://www.fgci.com/TDS/NCFI Liquid Foam 2lb System TDS.pdf

material safety data sheet: https://www.fgci.com/MSDS/NCFI Liquid Foam 2 lb. Kit.pdf

Thanks.

Ken
Kent,

Here's the Spec Info on this Liquid Urethane Foam from the Amazon website that I purchased it from:

"Liquid Urethane Foam Kits, Manufactured by Fiberglass Coatings Inc. (FGCI), 2 Pound Density, Includes 1 Gallon of Part A and 1 Gallon of Part B, Excellent for Flotation or Insulation. 2 Gallon kit makes 8 Cu Ft of foam with approximate R value of 7, for each Inch of thickness. The urethane based resins, when mixed, create a permant foam with closed cells, filled primarily with CO2. If foam is poured in an enclosed area, vent holes are normally required to vent excess foam., otherwise, pressures may distort structures."

I see that it actually says, "R value of 7, for each inch of thickness". The "~5" I quoted in my original post above came from the insulation board I was using to "frame" each section prior to pouring. I apparently had '5' stuck in my brain as a result. :)

Regards,

James
 
Sep 12, 2005
34
Hunter Legend '45 St Claire Shores
Congratulations! This sounds like a great upgrade that most of us need to do.

Any chance you have pictures?
Thanks Rich.

You know?,...in hind sight, I wished I had taken a couple of pictures of this project as I went along.

If it is any help I can take a couple pictures after the fact so, that you can see the size of the Frig and location of the additional pouring locations. Plus!, you'll be able to see where my leak occured.

Regards,

James
 
Apr 12, 2010
12
Ericson 35-3 Annapolis
Pictures

Hi, James-
Yes, please post the pictures of the finished project and the pour locations. That would be very helpful. This is a project I've long been considering. Congratulations on your successful execution!
 
Jun 9, 2013
28
Rafiki 37 Novato, California
Hello James,

Eventually I have to rebuild my reefer and insulate the hull and headliner. I was planning on ripping everything apart and using rigid polyiso closed cell foam. I'm sure this material will be of use too.

Thanks for sharing and also getting back to me on the R-Value.

Ken
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,235
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
If it is any help I can take a couple pictures after the fact so, that you can see the size of the Frig and location of the additional pouring locations. Plus!, you'll be able to see where my leak occured.

Regards,

James
Yes, I think anything would help.
 
Jun 5, 2004
241
Catalina 30 MkII Foss Harbor Marina, Tacoma, WA
...nice upgrade!...fridge insulation seems to be an afterthought for most mfr's.
 
Sep 12, 2005
34
Hunter Legend '45 St Claire Shores
All,

Give me a week or so to take and provide you with some pictures of this refrigerator insulation project.

I'll post it with a NEW title so, you'll be able to see it.

Regards,

James
 
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