A “green”dilemma. What would you do?

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Jun 14, 2010
2,362
Robertson & Caine 2017 Leopard 40 CT
About 6 years ago we changed from our 60-pound Tohatsu 9.8 two-stroke to a 3.5HP 30-pound Suzuki because I needed to take the engine on and off the dinghy each time we used it. That routine was “getting old” and so am I.
Of course we couldn't get on plane with the Suzuki, and as a single cylinder 4-stroke it ran pretty rough. It was noisy too. So after a few years (despite the expense) I bought a Torqeedo 1103. We’ve lived without planing for about 6 years of use, including a trip up the east coast from Ft Lauderdale to CT this spring. We’ve also gotten over the range anxiety issue. It’s just not a problem for us. Quiet, clean and easy to transport. There is no pull-starting impediment for my wife. We just don’t get there fast.
Our new boat has davits and there’s no need to dismount the dinghy motor each time, so this weekend I put the long-cherished Tohatsu 2-stroke back into service, (thinking of the Torqeedo as my backup). The Tohatsu is smelly and not as quiet as I remembered it. Last night we were out to watch fireworks and it was vividly apparent (in the beam of a flashlight) how much smoke was being put out. My wife and I decided together that we’re going to switch back to the Torqeedo and get rid of the 2-stroke ICE.
So here’s the question: Would you sell it, knowing that some people consider it a rare sought-after model because it‘s smooth running and has a superb power-weight ratio? Or would you junk it, forgoing $ to reduce pollution on our planet?
 
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Johann

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Jun 3, 2004
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Leopard 39 Pensacola
Sell it. If the environment is a primary concern, think of the emissions and land use impact involved in obtaining raw materials, manufacturing, and transporting a new outboard to a new owner.
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Junking something that is working for the sake of environmental concerns is always a difficult call.... you also need to factor the environmental cost of replacing that working piece of equipment with the new and improved "environmentally friendly" device. Assuming the person who does not buy your Tohatsu because you junked it buys a Torqeedo instead.... has now "spent" environmental bucks on the manufacutre of a Torqeedo that did not need to exist. I'm not saying it is wrong... I'm just saying that knowing where the line is ... is hard.:banghead:
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
A challenging question.

I think I would use the Torqeedo as the primary motor and keep the Tohatsu as a back up.

We have a Torqeedo and are generally pleased with it despite the two major shortcomings, the range/speed issue and recharging. The recharging issue is a big one, an ICE can be "recharged" quickly from a can of gasoline, the Torqeedo needs up to 10 hours. In the short time we have owned the Torqeedo we have had to balance charging with use, planning ahead for how much we can use the motor before recharging. It will sometimes interfere with spontaneity, does the battery have enough charge to get us to the impromptu gathering across the harbor and back?

If you haven't discovered it yet, the props are easily broken leaving you with a one blade or no blade prop. Learned the hard way. :(
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Weighted against the ambivalence most of us have to the millions of live Christmas trees people still buy every year and the millions of pounds of Christmas wrapping paper used every year, it's difficult to imagine justifying 'obsoleting'a few 2 stroke engines but it does serve a a 'feel good' action.
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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Sell it... Instead of using the money on personal wants/needs send it to a Green charity. They will take the money and use it to fly to the next Green conference.

Or buy carbon credits and donate them to a Green purpose.

That way you do not force someone to buy a new outboard and incur all the planetary destruction associated with the refining and manufacturing of a new outboard as @Johann intelligently identifies.
 

DArcy

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Feb 11, 2017
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Considering how few hours most people run small outboards, it would take a long time for the pollution from running the 2 stroke to catch up with the pollution from manufacturing and delivering a new one. I do like the idea of contributing the proceeds from the sale to carbon offsets.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Weighted against the ambivalence most of us have to the millions of live Christmas trees people still buy every year and the millions of pounds of Christmas wrapping paper used every year, it's difficult to imagine justifying 'obsoleting'a few 2 stroke engines but it does serve a a 'feel good' action.
Those are good ones.... I get ticked off with unnecessary packaging

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Jan 4, 2006
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Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
Sell it. If the environment is a primary concern, think of the emissions and land use impact involved in obtaining raw materials, manufacturing, and transporting a new outboard to a new owner.
Truer words were never spoken.

Same logic applies to EV's which use thermal electricity (sometimes from coal) plus have problems with lithium battery disposal. Are we that gullible when it comes to advertising:poke: ?
 
Jan 4, 2006
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Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
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OMG I just love it when they use that word. I'm going to get one. Anyone who doesn't get one, just isn't thinking right.

:poop::poop::poop::poop: OOPS, pardon me, watch your shoes.
 
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JamesG161

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Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Keep it.


Electrical Brown outs can happen.
Jim...
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
YES! That is why he should sell it and get one of these...


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This great!

Imagine, no more whiny jet skis bombing around the anchorage. No more warnings that you are about to run over by some going around in circles creating boat rocking wakes.
 
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Aug 10, 2020
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Catalina C25 3559 Rocky Mount
Sell it reasonably to someone in need of a kicker or dingy motor. There are always people starting out that need motors, local fisherman, a kid that just got his first boat.... sell it reasonably, trade it, find it a good home. All better options than scrapping it to make yourself feel better.
 
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Jun 14, 2010
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Robertson & Caine 2017 Leopard 40 CT
Have you serviced it and see what the emissions are afterwards?
Yes, carb recently cleaned after coming out of storage. Thanks for your thoughts everyone. I’m going to keep the Tohatsu, for now. Will run out the current 50:1 ethanol fuel tank then replace it with TruFuel for storage. Then switch back to the Torqeedo.
I like the idea of having a spare. And yes, I also have a spare Torqeedo prop ;)
 
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