Sorry, I missed your reply Greg. It was a Harken 32 that was most likely from the 90's. As you saw in another thread, they're being replaced with Lewmar 40 self tailing winches
A crazy story and a forewarning to those with cockpit drains and outboard rudders
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Harken 32 is a self-tailing 2-speed winch, right? That's a pretty significant loss! It seems that your replacement would possibly be Harken 35 or a Lewmar 30 as the smallest 2-speed ST winches. Lewmar 40 would be way too large for a 25' boat, would it not? Would it be feasible to replace with Harken 20 single-speed to be more economical?
I'm not understanding how yours failed to hold. Are you saying that the bolt threads stripped and the winch pulled the bolts right thru the fastener, backing plate and deck? Is that common?
I did see your post about the new winch(es).
I was curious as I may have a spare Barlow that I am rebuilding.
Not sure I understand the size difference between the different manufacturers. My O’Day 322 has Barlow 23’s (2 speed self-tailers) as the primaries. I have a pair of Barlow 27’s that I am rebuilding and they are almost too big for the recessed area on my coaming…
Lewmar 40‘s are either HUGE, or they use different naming conventions.
Greg
I'm pretty sure that my cabin top winches are Lewmar 40 and my primaries are Lewmar 45 for my Catalina 320. I don't really know how the numbering system relates, but they seem to be similar across manufacturers. I bet it has something to do either with the radius of the drum (in mm) or the height of the wrapping area of the drum. I just looked at my Lewmar 30's in the basement and both the radius and the height of the wrapping surface seemed like it could apply (without actually making a precise measurement). The box seems to show the height increases as the number increases for Lewmar models. I'd assume that the radius also increases as the height increases.
In any case, a Harken 32 already seems like an upgrade for the ODay 25. I can't imagine they installed a 2-speed self-tailing winch on their boats in those days, but if they did, that would really be something. I had Lewmar 16's (2 speed but not ST) for primaries on my Starwind 27 and they built those boats with some nice hardware in the 80's. Perhaps the small boats built in the 90's had even better winches. i bought Lewmar 30's for replacement but never got to it before selling the boat. I'm pretty sure I will eventually install them on my Catalina for secondary winches closer to the stern.
Lewmar 40's would be overkill on an Oday 25, but if they fit, I don't see how it hurts. I would guess that the logical replacement would be the Harken 35, which is now sold (it seems to have replaced the 32).
The Lewmar 40's are wider than the Harkens but there's still about a half inch of grey tread showing on either side. I was a little worried about the backing plates being too big but everything fits nicely. I got the the second winch installed today
These Lewmar's are much taller than the Harkens. The O'day 25 really does need two speed winches. Judging by the number of holes in the coming, I believe the Lewmars are the third winches to be installed on this boatI'm pretty sure that my cabin top winches are Lewmar 40 and my primaries are Lewmar 45 for my Catalina 320. I don't really know how the numbering system relates, but they seem to be similar across manufacturers. I bet it has something to do either with the radius of the drum (in mm) or the height of the wrapping area of the drum. I just looked at my Lewmar 30's in the basement and both the radius and the height of the wrapping surface seemed like it could apply (without actually making a precise measurement). The box seems to show the height increases as the number increases for Lewmar models. I'd assume that the radius also increases as the height increases.
In any case, a Harken 32 already seems like an upgrade for the ODay 25. I can't imagine they installed a 2-speed self-tailing winch on their boats in those days, but if they did, that would really be something. I had Lewmar 16's (2 speed but not ST) for primaries on my Starwind 27 and they built those boats with some nice hardware in the 80's. Perhaps the small boats built in the 90's had even better winches. i bought Lewmar 30's for replacement but never got to it before selling the boat. I'm pretty sure I will eventually install them on my Catalina for secondary winches closer to the stern.
Lewmar 40's would be overkill on an Oday 25, but if they fit, I don't see how it hurts. I would guess that the logical replacement would be the Harken 35, which is now sold (it seems to have replaced the 32).
My previous boat was a Starwind 19. It was a well made. I'd definitely take a look at the 27 if I was in the market for a larger boat
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