...seems to 'flood' too easy?? Any experiences/advise? I pull choke--prime 3 pumps--& pull...Usually starts on 3rd pull, & will run for about a minute +/-, stall & not start again. Usually/sometimes gas runs out at the rear of the motor. It's cost $250.00 FOR SERVICE and still??? Suggestions will be appreciated... Roger
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Simple - you're flooding it.
Your Merc is manufactured by Tohatsu. The same firm that also makes Nissan. If you read your engine manual I don't think you will find any instructions to "pull choke and prime 3 times". You do that and you're bound to have gas flowing. Re-read the starting instructions and follow them. If you do, I'll bet you will start first pull.
Your Merc is manufactured by Tohatsu. The same firm that also makes Nissan. If you read your engine manual I don't think you will find any instructions to "pull choke and prime 3 times". You do that and you're bound to have gas flowing. Re-read the starting instructions and follow them. If you do, I'll bet you will start first pull.
You have a common problem....
the float in your float bowl is stuck. Some carbs have a drain on the side that you can insert a small screwdriver and wiggle the float. Sometimes you have to remove the top of the carb to get to the float. Good luck.
the float in your float bowl is stuck. Some carbs have a drain on the side that you can insert a small screwdriver and wiggle the float. Sometimes you have to remove the top of the carb to get to the float. Good luck.
Manual & Screw-driver
Yes Jim, i do have a manual... Will read it again
The "screw-diver" trick?? Is that do-able with a new motor? I just learned the other day of this overflow hole. They advised, unplug the gas line & pull the rope until it starts, using "throttle only". That seemed to work. But didn't answer, is the problem a design-fault or a my-fault? Guess it's more mine than theirs, eh? Roger
Yes Jim, i do have a manual... Will read it again
The "screw-diver" trick?? Is that do-able with a new motor? I just learned the other day of this overflow hole. They advised, unplug the gas line & pull the rope until it starts, using "throttle only". That seemed to work. But didn't answer, is the problem a design-fault or a my-fault? Guess it's more mine than theirs, eh? RogerShould be covered by warranty.
These engines come with a 3 year factory warranty, so you shouldn't be sticking a small screwdriver any place you don't feel comfortable about. With the electronic CD ignition system, one rarely hears of a float sticking in these 4 stroke engines. I think the problem is that you are over priming it. Open the gas tank vent, gently squeeze the fuel bulb until it feels a little hard (make sure your flow direction is correct), pull out the choke, give a little tug on the starter cord, and it should fire right up. Push the choke in immediately - don't run the engine with the choke pulled out. If the engine has been running in the past hour or so, don't pull out the choke to start - just move the throttle up a bit and give a little tug on the starter cord.
These engines come with a 3 year factory warranty, so you shouldn't be sticking a small screwdriver any place you don't feel comfortable about. With the electronic CD ignition system, one rarely hears of a float sticking in these 4 stroke engines. I think the problem is that you are over priming it. Open the gas tank vent, gently squeeze the fuel bulb until it feels a little hard (make sure your flow direction is correct), pull out the choke, give a little tug on the starter cord, and it should fire right up. Push the choke in immediately - don't run the engine with the choke pulled out. If the engine has been running in the past hour or so, don't pull out the choke to start - just move the throttle up a bit and give a little tug on the starter cord.
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Thanks for your advice Jim. The "3 Year Warranty" is at additional cost, that i didn't pay. Sounds as if you might have one of these Mercs?? Next time out, i'll follow your instructions. That, by the way, are the same as the local Merc Service guy's. Seems the sensitivity in these new mtrs is similar to the transition from the old auto carbs to fuel injection--"don't pump da gas!!" Thanks ALL, Roger
Thanks for your advice Jim. The "3 Year Warranty" is at additional cost, that i didn't pay. Sounds as if you might have one of these Mercs?? Next time out, i'll follow your instructions. That, by the way, are the same as the local Merc Service guy's. Seems the sensitivity in these new mtrs is similar to the transition from the old auto carbs to fuel injection--"don't pump da gas!!" Thanks ALL, Roger
Landsend is probably correct ......
... the way to stop the float from sticking is to ALWAYS run the engine completely out of fuel when stopping it for more than a few days. If you ALWAYS add a 'fuel stabilizer' to the fuel, this will also help to prevent this 'problem'. When stopping the engine for more than a few days .... simply REMOVE the hose from the remote tank and let the engine idle, etc. until the carb runs out of fuel, shake the engine a wee bit, pull the starter cord and if it starts let it run until it again stalls. This will REMOVE most of the fuel from the carb. If you remove the fuel from the carb, gums & shellacs will not form as fast when the gasoline 'evaporates' from the carb 'vents'. The above applies to ALL outboards, 'small' engines with carburators and both 2stroke or 4 stroke.
... the way to stop the float from sticking is to ALWAYS run the engine completely out of fuel when stopping it for more than a few days. If you ALWAYS add a 'fuel stabilizer' to the fuel, this will also help to prevent this 'problem'. When stopping the engine for more than a few days .... simply REMOVE the hose from the remote tank and let the engine idle, etc. until the carb runs out of fuel, shake the engine a wee bit, pull the starter cord and if it starts let it run until it again stalls. This will REMOVE most of the fuel from the carb. If you remove the fuel from the carb, gums & shellacs will not form as fast when the gasoline 'evaporates' from the carb 'vents'. The above applies to ALL outboards, 'small' engines with carburators and both 2stroke or 4 stroke.
I wonder
...about running the motor dry??? I in fact did that in my learning process last weekend, after advice that i misunderstood from the service man. He said, "...disconnect the hose from the tank and pull until it starts..." Which i did, then continued to run it to 'stall', that took about 5 minutes!! I then plugged in the hose, primmed and pulled & pulled >>>>>>>>> Went back to ask ???? "Why did you run it out (stupid under breath)?" "Cuz i thought..." "You not only ran down the carb, but the fuel pump &&&&; now ya gotta fill the WHOLE system, (stupid) by pulling!" Feeling sorry for this poor old guy, he, young & robust guy, followed me back, and pulled & pulled until it started. Now i have specific instructions, reinforced by some here, that IF i can remember them... "Voila!" But knowing it to be a common problem is somewhat consoling... Thanks, one-and-ALL! Roger
...about running the motor dry??? I in fact did that in my learning process last weekend, after advice that i misunderstood from the service man. He said, "...disconnect the hose from the tank and pull until it starts..." Which i did, then continued to run it to 'stall', that took about 5 minutes!! I then plugged in the hose, primmed and pulled & pulled >>>>>>>>> Went back to ask ???? "Why did you run it out (stupid under breath)?" "Cuz i thought..." "You not only ran down the carb, but the fuel pump &&&&; now ya gotta fill the WHOLE system, (stupid) by pulling!" Feeling sorry for this poor old guy, he, young & robust guy, followed me back, and pulled & pulled until it started. Now i have specific instructions, reinforced by some here, that IF i can remember them... "Voila!" But knowing it to be a common problem is somewhat consoling... Thanks, one-and-ALL! Roger
Outboard starting
Ive got an 88 mercury 8hp 2 stroke I think what your refering to as a choke is not really a choke but an enrichener. I squeeze the bulb till its firm then pulls out the enrichener once. My motor usually starts on the first pull. I leave the enrichener out put the engine in gear and once im rumnning for a couple of minutes ease the enrichener in. If i push the enrichener in whle the motor is at Idle It it stalls and take at least 20 pulls and 15 min of waiting to start it again so I dont do it\ bob
Ive got an 88 mercury 8hp 2 stroke I think what your refering to as a choke is not really a choke but an enrichener. I squeeze the bulb till its firm then pulls out the enrichener once. My motor usually starts on the first pull. I leave the enrichener out put the engine in gear and once im rumnning for a couple of minutes ease the enrichener in. If i push the enrichener in whle the motor is at Idle It it stalls and take at least 20 pulls and 15 min of waiting to start it again so I dont do it\ bob
When you pump it, does the pump become firm?
If not then it sounds like your float is either stuck open or maladjusted. I had mine tuned up and cleaned when I first got it. Still had difficulty starting it when I got to the dock. Didn't want to waste the day of sailing so I fixed it my self by readjusting the tab on the float. Worked fine after that. I have been working on motors since I was ten with a lawn mowing route. Take it back to the mechanic who worked on it and tell him the symptoms and ask him to check the float adjustment. You also didn't say when you push the choke back in. You need to do that slowly after a 1 or 2 minute warm up period. I also learned from a friend of mine that if you are out in open water and not tied to the dock that sometimes you can open the throttle in gear and give it a yank. From an earlier post: I have discovered a new technique, new to me anyway, of starting the pull of the cord with my arm extended and using my back and weight to initiate the rotation and use my arm for the last half of the pull. This as opposed to what I use to do of bracing myself against the back rail and using just my arms. I can now pull the motor through faster and last longer than before. As a result the motor usually starts on the second or third pull now. Good luck, Frank
If not then it sounds like your float is either stuck open or maladjusted. I had mine tuned up and cleaned when I first got it. Still had difficulty starting it when I got to the dock. Didn't want to waste the day of sailing so I fixed it my self by readjusting the tab on the float. Worked fine after that. I have been working on motors since I was ten with a lawn mowing route. Take it back to the mechanic who worked on it and tell him the symptoms and ask him to check the float adjustment. You also didn't say when you push the choke back in. You need to do that slowly after a 1 or 2 minute warm up period. I also learned from a friend of mine that if you are out in open water and not tied to the dock that sometimes you can open the throttle in gear and give it a yank. From an earlier post: I have discovered a new technique, new to me anyway, of starting the pull of the cord with my arm extended and using my back and weight to initiate the rotation and use my arm for the last half of the pull. This as opposed to what I use to do of bracing myself against the back rail and using just my arms. I can now pull the motor through faster and last longer than before. As a result the motor usually starts on the second or third pull now. Good luck, Frank
Roger - you are getting a lot of strange info.
Follow the manual. Don't warm up with the choke open - close it immediately once the engine fires. If engine doesn't fire up after 5 pulls, close choke and pull to start without choke. Your 4-stroke engine has a choke - not an "enricher". If you keep pulling and trying to start with the choke open you are going to suck all sorts of gas into an overflow situation. One thing that I find weird - your motor is a 2006 Merc, and they always come with a 3 year warranty. Did you buy it second hand, hence the lack of a warranty? Tell those locals in Bobcaygeon to get their ass in gear.
Follow the manual. Don't warm up with the choke open - close it immediately once the engine fires. If engine doesn't fire up after 5 pulls, close choke and pull to start without choke. Your 4-stroke engine has a choke - not an "enricher". If you keep pulling and trying to start with the choke open you are going to suck all sorts of gas into an overflow situation. One thing that I find weird - your motor is a 2006 Merc, and they always come with a 3 year warranty. Did you buy it second hand, hence the lack of a warranty? Tell those locals in Bobcaygeon to get their ass in gear.
3 year Warranty...
...I'll check this weekend when at "The Boat" & with Buckeye, my friendly Merc-men... Hope yer right!! Thanks to everyone for your suggestions... Ontario Roger
...I'll check this weekend when at "The Boat" & with Buckeye, my friendly Merc-men... Hope yer right!! Thanks to everyone for your suggestions... Ontario Roger
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