'85 h22 max wind

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Sep 3, 2013
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Hunter 22 Lake Eufaula
Ok I'm still a newbie, last week we had some really good wind on my lake, and my wife got a little nervous when the boat started tipping. I noticed the clineometer was near 30. I was still ok but I wanted to know what is the max wind speed I should be ok with on this boat? She made take in the gib sail after that :(
 
Aug 1, 2013
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Hunter 240 Muskegon, MI
If you were 30 degrees over and the sails were trimmed correctly, you probably needed to reef to right things up a bit, and probably speed up in the process.
 
Mar 6, 2012
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Hunter H33 (limited edition cabin top) Bayou Chico
nola is right, i grew up in okc and have a little familiarity with eufaula and can say for sure that once you heel more than 20 degrees its time to reef, not real familiar with the h22 but i would suspect that its going to be pretty early and in oklahoma i would expect you to spend a majority of your time reefed
 
Jul 12, 2011
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Leopard 40 Jupiter, Florida
Agree with Nola -- 30 degrees heel (effectively burying the rail) may feel like fun, but it's not the fastest (or most comfortable) sail plan. As the experts on this board will tell you, heel is largely a function of mainsail. Taking a reef in the main and keep your jib up is a better plan. For my H216 (the updated version of your boat), I comfortably sail in the 15 - 20 kt winds with a single reef. As a rule of thumb, white caps come out just over 10 kt. I've had two reefs in for higher winds, but I was just running back for cover. There's no need to be in a small daysailer over 20 kt of wind.
 

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Jan 24, 2009
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Hunter 22 Groton
Yahhh, 30 degree heel is a bit too much for me in my H22 as well. I've yet to rig and master reefing (my mains'l HAS two reefing points. I just haven't gotten around to rigging it).
What I do if I'm (potentially) heeled that far over is:

1) drop the jib and sail on the main only (your wife's requested action),
2) spill wind on the main while leaving the jib properly trimmed,
3) if available, shift more weight/people to the windward rail,
4) change angle to the wind to a beam reach or broad reach and trim sails accordingly (out).. (thus moving the center of effort more towards a forward vector vs a beam vector),
5) make sure that you are trimmed properly in the first place .. fore-to-aft (jib trimmed 1st, then the main),
6) trim for a controlled luff of the jib AND the main.

Note that these options are not necessarily listed in any order of preference, but depends on your familiarity with your boat's response for each and your skill in executing each option.

If you need to get back to home port, Option #4 will only work for so long, unless the wind subsides enough and in time for a comfortable return trip. If none of those get the desired result, then enjoy the wind from the shoreline (i.e., don't go sailing). :-{


Experiment and have fun !! (maybe without your wife aboard, initally) ;-)
 
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Hunter 22 Lake Eufaula
Just wanted to say thanks for all the replies! I didn't know what reefing was. The wind was probably 15 knots that day gust probably hit 25-30. So pulling in the gib was probably the correct action for us. But what FUN! Wind this Friday is supposed to be 10-15 MPH so I'm exicted about getting back out there! You guys are the best!
 
Jun 8, 2004
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I have been sailing primarily on small sailboats for over 50 years and raced unofficially against some of the best racers and generally won based on certain principles. As a former dealer, I suggested the following to my customers.

Never heel over so much to scar the better half and children or you will loose someone overboard and/or scare them to death that you will be sailing by yourself in the future.

If you want to race, first learn the boat to include reefing the jib and/or main.

However, experience has shown that heeling over 14 or even 15 degrees will not get the boat going faster. Why? Think about this. When you heel over a lot, you are adding more wetted surface to the hull creating more resistance in the water to begin with thus slowing the boat down. I have said you will sail faster flatter thru experience and a lot to do with sail control to include letting the sails out and/or reefing or a combination thereof. Also, those with you will appreciate you more for that comfortable and rewarding ride/experience.

Many years ago, I was demonstrating a new boat during the winter and the sailor from hell who knew everything brought his bride. On the demo ride, he demanded full sail in high wind and of course it was cold and slightly raining. It was obvious that he very little experience even though he called himself a professional racer. He put the rub rail and mainsail into the water scaring his wife who got wet and nearly feel off. My brother who races was scared to death as well and when his wife stated screaming and crying not to mention the yelling by him telling her to shut up, I removed his hand from the tiller, pointed the boat into the wind, told my brother to start the engine while I let the halyards go. He was miffed. He threatened not to buy the boat while I stood quiet.

Getting back to the dock, he said he did not get the full demo and would not buy a boat from me while still yelling at his newlywed. At that point, I told him that I would never sell him a boat as he was not a professional sailor and racer as he scared everyone with his unsafe practices and then pointe to his wife. I said if she wanted to file a divorce suit, I would be glad to be a witness as he did not care for the safety of his bride nor the rest of us. Further, I told him it was my boat and when I arrested the tiller control from him, Idid not want the boat to sink and drown all of us. Further, he needed to take his wife home and apologize if he wanted to save that marriage. Years later I did sell him a boat but first he apologized and thanked me for some of the best advice anyone ever gave him.

When you heel over so much, you do not have full control of the boat and the safety of everyone is in your hands.

crazy dave condon
 
Sep 3, 2013
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Hunter 22 Lake Eufaula
Hey Dave, thanks and I will definitely that in consideration, as I mentioned I'm really new at this, so never claimed to know what to do, the main reason I'm on this site so much...:)
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Not a problem sir. There are many good people on this site who can and will be glad to help. Sometimes we may disagree but overall, everyone is good to pitch in to help and sometimes by rolling up their sleeves. Take care sir.
 

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Jan 24, 2009
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Hunter 22 Groton
Chasemixon,
Dave's right on the mark. You've got to take this sport in steps. First and foremost is to gain the confidence and trust of your first mate (spouse), if you want to spend any time with her in future sails.

A LONG time ago, I made the mistake of renting a Tanzer 19 out of Mason's Is (locally in Mystic, CT) on Memorial Day weekend (water temperature ~51'F). That included another couple as well..one an experienced small boat sailor like myself. So half of the crew was "new" to sailing.

OK, now the stage is set. The wind was great..it was the beginning of the "relatively warm" sailing season. I had the hair brain idea of tacking down the Mystic River to Long Island Sound on a close haul to the wind. Along came a rather large power boat (some of these Mystic boats are really oversized...). Well, the channel was narrow between Noank and Mason's Is, the baot's wake was VERY large, and being close-hauled...the centerboard was uncovered ... and over we went !!

The other experienced small boat sailor and I scrambled up over the windward gun'l and onto the centerboard and only got wet up to our knees. The other two, on the other hand, didn't do so well. They were thrown into the water on the leeward side, one getting sucked under the lee gun'l a little and both of them TOTALLY soaked. All wore layers and had life jackets on.

Yes, as you might expect, it was a good wind @~15 kts, as I remember, and coupling that with the cold water made for a VERY UNHAPPY day. Righting the boat is another story for another day.

LESSON LEARNED: don't get too enthusiastic and place other people in jeopardy / scary conditions by pushing the boundaries. (i.e., put your passengers / crew ahead of yourself)

...now go have fun with your H22 .. I am with mine !!
 
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Sep 3, 2013
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Hunter 22 Lake Eufaula
Lol you guys are hilarious! Can't wait to have stories like those to tell some newbies!
 
Jun 5, 2004
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Hunter 22 Acworth/Atlanta
I have a H22 and find that at the first sign of white caps it's time to reef. The main sail, in my case is always the issue. I've raced with the main reefed and a 155 head sail and had no issues. I've also sailed in 20+ mph winds with just the storm jib and no main. I found that the H22 sails very comfortably with just a head sail and no main and is much easier to handle. You can even jib without any issues or worries of getting hit by the boom. Much easier, and the boat sails better, especially if you are just out to enjoy the day in high winds.
 
Sep 3, 2013
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Hunter 22 Lake Eufaula
Hmmm interesting Earl... I had not even thought about that? Question, did you install some hardware on your deck to hold the gib sail. I have to tie my lines to the back cleat... Where do you tie off?
 
Jun 5, 2004
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Hunter 22 Acworth/Atlanta
I had to buy snap shackles and blocks that I attach to the toe rail and move them to different locations depending on the head sail. Not sure why you are using the the back cleat. I have winches and cleats just above the storage pockets half way back on the seats, where the Wood cover is. Those cleats are Jam cleats, one side pinches the line when you wrap it, so there is no need to tie the line off.
 
Sep 3, 2013
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Hunter 22 Lake Eufaula
SeaTR, that's how I rigged it today, not sure what the deck hardware is called but the turn block next to the cleat
 
Sep 3, 2013
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Hunter 22 Lake Eufaula
Hit the wrong button... The turn block next to the cleat mine needs to be replaced... Worn down pretty bad, do you know where to get them? Cheap?
 

SeaTR

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Jan 24, 2009
408
Hunter 22 Groton
Chasemixon,
It's called a cheek block. There are a couple of places they can be found, and a couple of manufacturers.

My suggestion is :

www.Defender.com
Stock code # 602731
SCHAEFER #
303-09 Cheek Block, Flat Base, ALUMINUM, Single, Delrin
Max Line Size 7/16”. Sheave Dia. 1-7/16”. Sheave Width 9/16”. Pin diameter 3/16”. SWL 1000 lbs. All Series 3 blocks ship 1 lbs 36.99

I like Defender mostly because they are in my 'backyard' (Waterford, CT), AND if they have what you are looking for, they tend to be less expensive than www.westmarine.com ... there are a couple of those nearby as well.

All in all, Defender doesn't have the extensive stock that West Marine has, but their prices are better .. and they have a "spring warehouse sale" every year affording additional discounts (and prizes), at the warehouse and on-line.
 
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