I have been gifted free of charge (or cursed depending on your view of non-operating inboard engines) with a '78 h27 that I have to transport from new york city to buffalo. Any suggestions as far as transport companies would be greatly appreciated. other than two slight problems ie. the non-operating engine and the wiring harness has problem inside the hull for the anchor/running lights on mast (any suggestions welcomed) the boat is in decent shape. The boat has been used every season and taken trips out long island sound so I am fairly sure of its seaworthyness. I am looking for things to check/repair while it is out. I look at this as a way to improve what I've been gifted with the 10k or so I was going to spend on a used boat. Other than a loran/vhf/depthfinder, the boat has not been improved on in any way shape or manner. I have been reading though all the articles and consistent theme is upgrading the engine to a 2gm/new prop, replacing standing rigging(standing rigging is factory, should I be concerned about this??), portholes, hatches, roller furling, tiller to wheel (hate the wheel, to easy to over correct, I'll stay with the tiller), showers, etc. if you have a suggestion or have done any of the above, I'd love to hear about it, the cost and who did the work (specially if your in the lake erie/lake ontario area.) If any one has suggestions on lake erie/lake ontario sailing, marina's, great repair shops, we're new to the area so all that information would be great! thanks, if you made it all way to the bottom of this long post, you get a golden star - redeem for free beer when you see the "?"! (okay, okay, new name suggestions also) rp
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Name it "Freebie" , I'd say thats appropriate!!! You should get some good advice here on this site. I doub't your wiring problems are all that serious and may become obvious when the mast is un-stepped.I'll defer to others with 27 experience...good luck.
Name it "Freebie" , I'd say thats appropriate!!! You should get some good advice here on this site. I doub't your wiring problems are all that serious and may become obvious when the mast is un-stepped.I'll defer to others with 27 experience...good luck.
My Experience
I've got a 78 Hunter 27 as well. The things that I did were to add a roller furler. Replace the standing and running rigging. Added a jib track. Checked the mast stepping. Had the engine checked (minor repairs). Replaced the Teak around the companionway hatch. Cleaned,brightend the teak hand rails. Oiled the interior wood. Finally added a holding tank. Future projects are. Replacing the portlights. Replacing the forward hatch. Gelcoating the deck and painting the hull. Adding a starting battery and an additional house battery. Replacing the interior fabric. Cleaning up the interior wiring system. I think it will keep me off the streets for awhile. Good luck. Jeff
I've got a 78 Hunter 27 as well. The things that I did were to add a roller furler. Replace the standing and running rigging. Added a jib track. Checked the mast stepping. Had the engine checked (minor repairs). Replaced the Teak around the companionway hatch. Cleaned,brightend the teak hand rails. Oiled the interior wood. Finally added a holding tank. Future projects are. Replacing the portlights. Replacing the forward hatch. Gelcoating the deck and painting the hull. Adding a starting battery and an additional house battery. Replacing the interior fabric. Cleaning up the interior wiring system. I think it will keep me off the streets for awhile. Good luck. Jeff
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Since you'll be doing work on it and it's in good shape already: NearlY Buff complete with included capitalization.
Since you'll be doing work on it and it's in good shape already: NearlY Buff complete with included capitalization.
Went through that last year.
I had purchased a '79 27 which had sat for 3 or 4 years in the boat yard. Last year we cleaned the inside and compounded the gel coat. Oiled the teak inside. Bought 150% genny $700 needed new cushions inside $1000. the engine ran but smoked a little I got good deal on new 1Gm so it is being installed now.(I have working engine available) and stepped the mast to stop wires from clanging. Email me I you want suggestions
I had purchased a '79 27 which had sat for 3 or 4 years in the boat yard. Last year we cleaned the inside and compounded the gel coat. Oiled the teak inside. Bought 150% genny $700 needed new cushions inside $1000. the engine ran but smoked a little I got good deal on new 1Gm so it is being installed now.(I have working engine available) and stepped the mast to stop wires from clanging. Email me I you want suggestions
john
John, do you have an email address, I'd like to find out what you had for pricing on the 1gm thanks rp rpus@att.net is mine.
John, do you have an email address, I'd like to find out what you had for pricing on the 1gm thanks rp rpus@att.net is mine.
Marine Survey
one was done on this boat about 4-5 years ago, is that current enough to be accurate or should I do another one?? thanks rp rpus@att.net
one was done on this boat about 4-5 years ago, is that current enough to be accurate or should I do another one?? thanks rp rpus@att.net
Good trucking company
Had my H335 trucked from Ithaca to Ontario by Andrews Trucking of Niagara On THe Lake (800)263-7140 and ask for Glenn. They did an excellent job and were reasonable in price, would deffinately use them again.
Had my H335 trucked from Ithaca to Ontario by Andrews Trucking of Niagara On THe Lake (800)263-7140 and ask for Glenn. They did an excellent job and were reasonable in price, would deffinately use them again.
New Engine?
Talked to the Yanmar rep at the Chicago Strictly Sail Show, and he said they were installing 2GM's in H27's on the East Coast. However...the cost of a new engine is high, and he said a repower would take 40-60 hours (at yard rates!). This would total up to more than I paid for our '80 H27! Good luck (a diesel rebuild might be cheaper for your purposes)!
Talked to the Yanmar rep at the Chicago Strictly Sail Show, and he said they were installing 2GM's in H27's on the East Coast. However...the cost of a new engine is high, and he said a repower would take 40-60 hours (at yard rates!). This would total up to more than I paid for our '80 H27! Good luck (a diesel rebuild might be cheaper for your purposes)!
Survey and repower
Depends on whether the survey made specific recommendations at the time, and whether the owner took them to heart. If you find the price affordable, another reputable survey might not hurt. As to the repower, I concur with the previous post that an engine rebuild is far more cost-effective than say a $6,000.00 repower to an engine with essentially the same capabilities. Parts for older Yanmars are still readily available.
Depends on whether the survey made specific recommendations at the time, and whether the owner took them to heart. If you find the price affordable, another reputable survey might not hurt. As to the repower, I concur with the previous post that an engine rebuild is far more cost-effective than say a $6,000.00 repower to an engine with essentially the same capabilities. Parts for older Yanmars are still readily available.
Cherubini 27 Hunter
I just traded my Columbia Contender 24 to a gent that wanted to downsize, for his 1987 Hunter 27. He had experienced problems with the diesel, and opted to replace it with a Johnson 9.9 outboard, which so far has proven adequate, in fact more powerful than the original yanmar. Also, like you, I have some electrical problems in that the cabin lights work perfectly, but my mast, steaming and running lights need work. It's been suggested I replace the original electrical panel and start somewhat from scrath. As an aside, I just took possession of "Ciao Bella" last Thursday (3/23) and went on our first sea trial Saturday. She was responsive, solid and very forgiving to my less than "ancient mariner" sailing skills. I trucked the Hunter down to Florida from New Jersey, and assuming you use the "pros", you should experience no problems. That's their business, and believe me, all the the anxiety that you (and I) experience in a long distance transfer is pretty much something that should be left only in our imaginations. Obviously, select only a trucker with references and check 'em out. Other than that, it's less complicated that you might think. The guy I used was Larry Bailey Boat Transport, out of Palm Bay, Florida. He is listed in the white pages. Costs you should anticipate are $1.50 - 1.75 per mile if there's no return trip, $1.25 per mile if you can come up with someone who wants to transport out of your area. As far as a potential conversion to wheel steering, most of the units on the market do in fact make for a sloppy conversion. There's nothing like the feel of a tiller. On the other hand, Whitlock makes a dynamite steering system called the Cobra. Slightly more costly than Edson, but it's rack and pinion and eliminates the "play" that a conventional chain and cable system has. I'm considering converting from tiller to this system when the funds say it's ok. (Whole system complete with compass, brake and rail under $2k.) Their website is www.pyiinc.com. Good luck with your new Cherubini, I think you'll love her! Neil Smith "Ciao Bella" 1978 Cherubini Hunter 27 nsmith@cfl.rr.com
I just traded my Columbia Contender 24 to a gent that wanted to downsize, for his 1987 Hunter 27. He had experienced problems with the diesel, and opted to replace it with a Johnson 9.9 outboard, which so far has proven adequate, in fact more powerful than the original yanmar. Also, like you, I have some electrical problems in that the cabin lights work perfectly, but my mast, steaming and running lights need work. It's been suggested I replace the original electrical panel and start somewhat from scrath. As an aside, I just took possession of "Ciao Bella" last Thursday (3/23) and went on our first sea trial Saturday. She was responsive, solid and very forgiving to my less than "ancient mariner" sailing skills. I trucked the Hunter down to Florida from New Jersey, and assuming you use the "pros", you should experience no problems. That's their business, and believe me, all the the anxiety that you (and I) experience in a long distance transfer is pretty much something that should be left only in our imaginations. Obviously, select only a trucker with references and check 'em out. Other than that, it's less complicated that you might think. The guy I used was Larry Bailey Boat Transport, out of Palm Bay, Florida. He is listed in the white pages. Costs you should anticipate are $1.50 - 1.75 per mile if there's no return trip, $1.25 per mile if you can come up with someone who wants to transport out of your area. As far as a potential conversion to wheel steering, most of the units on the market do in fact make for a sloppy conversion. There's nothing like the feel of a tiller. On the other hand, Whitlock makes a dynamite steering system called the Cobra. Slightly more costly than Edson, but it's rack and pinion and eliminates the "play" that a conventional chain and cable system has. I'm considering converting from tiller to this system when the funds say it's ok. (Whole system complete with compass, brake and rail under $2k.) Their website is www.pyiinc.com. Good luck with your new Cherubini, I think you'll love her! Neil Smith "Ciao Bella" 1978 Cherubini Hunter 27 nsmith@cfl.rr.com
H27 Comments
I picked up a Hunter 27 (1979) last season. It was a great first boat and I had absolutely no problems with it. However, if I had $10K to spend right now, I would probably trade up for something that's not as HEAVY. While extremely stable, the boat is quite sluggish under sail. I have a 1GM which the previous owner had replaced 3 years ago and I only wish that they had upgraded to the 2GM. (I had to motor quite a bit through the harbor and it was quite slow. Not to mention when there's no wind). Regarding the wheel v. tiller. I have a wheel and the biggest problem is not navigating the boat, it's navigating the cockpit. (The wheel takes up alot of room on the boat). By the way, don't forget to post the name so we can collect on that free beer!
I picked up a Hunter 27 (1979) last season. It was a great first boat and I had absolutely no problems with it. However, if I had $10K to spend right now, I would probably trade up for something that's not as HEAVY. While extremely stable, the boat is quite sluggish under sail. I have a 1GM which the previous owner had replaced 3 years ago and I only wish that they had upgraded to the 2GM. (I had to motor quite a bit through the harbor and it was quite slow. Not to mention when there's no wind). Regarding the wheel v. tiller. I have a wheel and the biggest problem is not navigating the boat, it's navigating the cockpit. (The wheel takes up alot of room on the boat). By the way, don't forget to post the name so we can collect on that free beer!
Wheel on H27
I concur with Bruce's remarks, and I find that even a tiller is in everybodys way in an H27 cockpit with more than two people in it! A SMALL cockpit is the price I paid for a 27' boat with an interior that reminded of a 33-footer I used to sail in. Do you REALLY want a wheel - why not wait until you trade up to a bigger boat? The boat is indeed heavy and "sluggish" in light air or confused seas, but I like all that lead under me when wind and water really get howling, not to mention tthe feel of a responsive tiller. (To me engines are "auxiliary", so I don't angst about horsepower). But this boat does need a very well cut and efficient mainsail. A 135 jib works well in most "normal" conditions, but I use my 110 often, and even my 90 with a reef on the main on occasions, and still hit 6 knots on a reach! Oh, and they don't like to heel much, 10-15, and she's happy...
I concur with Bruce's remarks, and I find that even a tiller is in everybodys way in an H27 cockpit with more than two people in it! A SMALL cockpit is the price I paid for a 27' boat with an interior that reminded of a 33-footer I used to sail in. Do you REALLY want a wheel - why not wait until you trade up to a bigger boat? The boat is indeed heavy and "sluggish" in light air or confused seas, but I like all that lead under me when wind and water really get howling, not to mention tthe feel of a responsive tiller. (To me engines are "auxiliary", so I don't angst about horsepower). But this boat does need a very well cut and efficient mainsail. A 135 jib works well in most "normal" conditions, but I use my 110 often, and even my 90 with a reef on the main on occasions, and still hit 6 knots on a reach! Oh, and they don't like to heel much, 10-15, and she's happy...
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