$399 quiet 2000W generator

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Nov 28, 2004
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Hunter 310 San Pedro
Reverse Polarity

The reverse polarity light is on when connected to a portable genset because the genset is not grounded to it's case. I was told by Honda dealer that this is done to prevent possible electrical shock in wet or moist enviroments. Popeye S/V FullSailed
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
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George Some info from archives YOUR GENERATOR PROBLEM: Just because the generator does not light the reverse polarity light does not prove that you do not have reverse polarity. It is hard to determine your problem without measuring voltages, but here are some possible causes: 1. Your generator has a reversed internal polarity. You need to measure the AC voltage between the neutral and ground pins on the generator output connector to verify this. On a "standard" (wall type) socket) the neutral is the wider flat slot and the ground is the round hole. If you get over 100 volts, the generator has reverse polarity. If you get a fluctuation in voltage, you probably have a floating ground. 2. Your generator has a floating ground (This can cause the reverse polarity light). If this is the case, you need to connect the neutral line to the ground (case) of the generator." "LOW GLOW OF REVERSE POLARITY LIGHT: A low-level reverse polarity light when there is heavy current draw (like a heater or air conditioner) is not unusual. The reason is as follows: 1. The reverse polarity light is connected between the AC neutral (white) and AC ground (green) wires inside the distribution panel. If there is a voltage between these two lines, the light lights in proportion to the voltage. 2. When using shore power, the neutral and ground wires are connected together somewhere on the shore at a power distribution box. Between that point and your boat load (heater) are many feet of wire. Normally the AC current flows through the hot (black) wire to the load (heater) and back through the neutral (white) wire to the aforementioned distribution box (of course the current also flows through the black and white wire back to the power generator, but that is not pertinent to this discussion). 3. When current flows through a wire, the small resistance of the wire causes a voltage drop which is proportional to the length of the wire and the resistance of the wire. You see this on your AC voltage meter when you turn on a high current load (heater). Depending on the load and the length of wire, this voltage drop is sometimes 10 or more volts. 4. The reverse polarity lamp is effectively measuring the voltage between the neutral and ground wires at the boat. Since the ground wire is not (normally) carrying any current, there is no voltage drop in this wire. The neutral wire however is carrying current and does have a voltage drop. This voltage drop in the neutral wire appears across the reverse polarity lamp, causing it to glow, the brightness depending on the actual voltage drop in the neutral wire. This glow is not an indication of reverse polarity, and will not normally cause a problem. BRIGHT GLOW OF REVERSE POLARITY LIGHT: When you have a bright glow in the reverse polarity here is what happens: 1. In order for the bright glow to happen, there must be a high (about 100+ volts) voltage difference between the neutral and ground wires in your boat. 2. When the polarity is reversed, the power source's hot (black) wire is connected to the boat's neutral distribution, and the white (neutral) wire is connected to the boat's black wire. This can cause electrolysis and lots of other problems as well as being very unsafe. NEVER IGNORE A BRIGHT REVERSE POLARITY LIGHT!
 
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Thanks Don

As usuall, your response pretty much explains it IN DEPTH :) Im actually going to copy that and put it in my "why things work on a boat" section of the maintenance log. Would be an effective tool for troubleshooting the dreaded "reverse polarity" light. Merry Christmas to all
 
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Fred, a question

Are you saying in this case that plugging a portable into Epitome will trip the breaker? By the way, got through SeaTac a few days back. Looked cold but pretty clear on your side of the Sound. Was raining the next morning but we didnt have to deice. Do you take her out much in the winter or just stick to the dragstrip? Cheers and Merry Xmas
 
Sep 19, 2006
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SCHOCK santana27' lake pleasant,az
OK here's a note ,i almost made this same mistake

inverter type generators with 12v outputs ONLY PUT OUT 12V very well regulated BUT it takes 14v + to charge batteries. this unit will NOT charge your batteries without an external charger on the 110v power. i have an older kawasaki kg1100 generator with 12v outputs regulated @14.8v. quiet and low fuel consumption and it will run the lights and charge batteries at the same time. so you may want to rethink this one before its too late.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Reverse Polarity and generators

see: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=3917.0
 

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Jun 14, 2008
7,182
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Hey, Whiskey Chaser...

...my mooring is in Cat and it has been re-numbered to D-6. Great mooring; we even took our names off the upgrade lists since we use the recip whenever we want in other coves anyway. Getting pricey tho since the mooring company lost a property tax case and we had to make up for some possesory tax shortfall. We get a rebate later if they win the appeal. Still, after waiting 13 years for it, I'm not about to give it up until the boat's gone. I should mention that the solar panels WILL keep up with the demand when we leave the boat there. Opening and closing the refrig and freezer make a really big difference in daily amp use. Have a great Christmas and New Year. Have a Whiskey for me (altho I've developed a taste for Flor de Cana Nicaraguan rum on the rocks since my last couple of trips ;) Rick D.
 
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Well that one will be our request from now on unless Attitude Adjustment squared is occupying it. And we had a great time watching that little RC boat. Just the slightest puff and the rail was in the water. Kinda suprised you leave the boat over but I guess it is a quick ferry ride versus the 5 hour motor sail. Cheers
 
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