any advise on the difference between the 380 and 410. is it worth 40,000. bigger engine,more h2o cap and slightly bigger inside-3' x 1'. thanks in advance.
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ask your dealer to supply you with displacement ratios on both boats. the 380 has a higher aspect rig than the 410, resulting in a higher sail area/displacement ratio. It handles better in light air, but is somewhat tender compared to the 410. The 410 has a higher length/displacement ratio, which would be an advantage for cruising because added weight will tend to disturb it less. A buddy of mine has a 380, and his PHRF rating is lower than that of my 410 by 12 seconds a mile. (Time that his smaller boat owes my bigger boat!) Both our boats are deep keel configurations and furling mains. There is no way I can keep up with him in light air, but in heavy air I will waterline him every time, especially going to weather in choppy conditions. It all comes down to what you plan to do with the boat, but don't let anyone tell you that the difference is only a few feet of waterline. (Or an extra head.) The 410 is a beefy boat compared to the 380, and will have better manners offshore in heavy weather conditions. By the same token, it might be too much boat for gunkholing on summer weekends. Don't forget that the cost of operating a bigger boat is more than just the initial investment. Higher slip fees, costlier haul-outs, you name it. Also think in terms of needing bigger winches, heavier ground tackle, etc. My buddy got away with installing an Autohelm 5000 on his 380, while I felt it important to go with an Autohelm 7000 on the 410. Good luck in your decision, they are both fine boats.
ask your dealer to supply you with displacement ratios on both boats. the 380 has a higher aspect rig than the 410, resulting in a higher sail area/displacement ratio. It handles better in light air, but is somewhat tender compared to the 410. The 410 has a higher length/displacement ratio, which would be an advantage for cruising because added weight will tend to disturb it less. A buddy of mine has a 380, and his PHRF rating is lower than that of my 410 by 12 seconds a mile. (Time that his smaller boat owes my bigger boat!) Both our boats are deep keel configurations and furling mains. There is no way I can keep up with him in light air, but in heavy air I will waterline him every time, especially going to weather in choppy conditions. It all comes down to what you plan to do with the boat, but don't let anyone tell you that the difference is only a few feet of waterline. (Or an extra head.) The 410 is a beefy boat compared to the 380, and will have better manners offshore in heavy weather conditions. By the same token, it might be too much boat for gunkholing on summer weekends. Don't forget that the cost of operating a bigger boat is more than just the initial investment. Higher slip fees, costlier haul-outs, you name it. Also think in terms of needing bigger winches, heavier ground tackle, etc. My buddy got away with installing an Autohelm 5000 on his 380, while I felt it important to go with an Autohelm 7000 on the 410. Good luck in your decision, they are both fine boats.
My 2 Cents
Well I bought a 280 and traded up to a 380 after only two years so maybe I actually know something about this subject
))) I love the 380, but neither it nor the 376 that proceeded it is a very fast hull. Now don't misunderstand it's not slow, but you know some boats are fast, some are not, and some are slow. The 380 is a "some are not boat." The 410 that I sailed is in the fast category. It's a newer hull design and seemed less tender, quicker to find a groove and accelerate, and just plain fast. As for the interior I like the 380's layout better, and it's perfect for a family of 4 who do week long cruises in the summer. Either boat requires the electric winch as far as I'm concerned, it should not be an option, Hunter should make it standard equipment. These are BIG sails, and bent masts. As for the engine in my humble opinion the 380's Yanmar 36hp is one size too small for this boat. It struggles to reach 6 knots under power in nice weather, never mind what would happen in slop, but I don't use the engine much anyway so....but it's especially bad once the boat bottom gets dirty or the prop has barnacles on it. Hunter as a manufacturer has been great to deal with and their customer service department has always been their for us. No matter what you choose you'll have a beautiful, fast, comfortable yacht that will take you almost anywhere you want to go. My last thought is I wished I'd bought the bigger boat the first time, moving up in size makes Hunter and my dealer smile, but commissioning two boats in 3 years made me frown :-(((( Good luck and let us know what you decide. Bob Knott S/V Serenity H380
Well I bought a 280 and traded up to a 380 after only two years so maybe I actually know something about this subject
))) I love the 380, but neither it nor the 376 that proceeded it is a very fast hull. Now don't misunderstand it's not slow, but you know some boats are fast, some are not, and some are slow. The 380 is a "some are not boat." The 410 that I sailed is in the fast category. It's a newer hull design and seemed less tender, quicker to find a groove and accelerate, and just plain fast. As for the interior I like the 380's layout better, and it's perfect for a family of 4 who do week long cruises in the summer. Either boat requires the electric winch as far as I'm concerned, it should not be an option, Hunter should make it standard equipment. These are BIG sails, and bent masts. As for the engine in my humble opinion the 380's Yanmar 36hp is one size too small for this boat. It struggles to reach 6 knots under power in nice weather, never mind what would happen in slop, but I don't use the engine much anyway so....but it's especially bad once the boat bottom gets dirty or the prop has barnacles on it. Hunter as a manufacturer has been great to deal with and their customer service department has always been their for us. No matter what you choose you'll have a beautiful, fast, comfortable yacht that will take you almost anywhere you want to go. My last thought is I wished I'd bought the bigger boat the first time, moving up in size makes Hunter and my dealer smile, but commissioning two boats in 3 years made me frown :-(((( Good luck and let us know what you decide. Bob Knott S/V Serenity H380Another 380 reponse
This is somewhat for Bob Knott. I also have a H380 and have had a difficult time getting the boat into shape. We are on our second rudder and the wheel brake doesn't work. however..... Bob, I move through the water at about 7.1. to 7.5 knots depending upon the wave action. We have a Max 3 bladed prop and we make good time. I have twice gone through a measured half mile and calibrated the speed instruments and also did calculations so I think I'm pretty close to acurate. Your point might be right on about the engine being one size too small, however, for me, at this time, I think it is working fairly well. With the Max prop I also find I get through the chop easier. To those reading as to which boat. I have had a number of boats and I find for me that I have a comfort level. I like boats less than 40 feet. I've had bigger boats but I seem more stressed on them. I may even be pushing the limit with this H380 but so far, it seems to be working out. I also like to solo sail and that may also be part of my makeup. I am enjoying the H380 inside and out. I have sailed it only one season, but I believe it is a fast boat. We have moments of speed but I think I have to learn how to sail it. Just recently, I had the boat out and set the main (furling main) like a jib (since it is loose footed) and we picked up good speed. It was like flying two jibs. Interesting. I'm also going to have Brian Toss tune the mast. I think that will also help. The H380 is a delicate boat and needs to be treated as such. Happy sailing.
This is somewhat for Bob Knott. I also have a H380 and have had a difficult time getting the boat into shape. We are on our second rudder and the wheel brake doesn't work. however..... Bob, I move through the water at about 7.1. to 7.5 knots depending upon the wave action. We have a Max 3 bladed prop and we make good time. I have twice gone through a measured half mile and calibrated the speed instruments and also did calculations so I think I'm pretty close to acurate. Your point might be right on about the engine being one size too small, however, for me, at this time, I think it is working fairly well. With the Max prop I also find I get through the chop easier. To those reading as to which boat. I have had a number of boats and I find for me that I have a comfort level. I like boats less than 40 feet. I've had bigger boats but I seem more stressed on them. I may even be pushing the limit with this H380 but so far, it seems to be working out. I also like to solo sail and that may also be part of my makeup. I am enjoying the H380 inside and out. I have sailed it only one season, but I believe it is a fast boat. We have moments of speed but I think I have to learn how to sail it. Just recently, I had the boat out and set the main (furling main) like a jib (since it is loose footed) and we picked up good speed. It was like flying two jibs. Interesting. I'm also going to have Brian Toss tune the mast. I think that will also help. The H380 is a delicate boat and needs to be treated as such. Happy sailing.
For what its worth
Like Bob I opted for the 380 when we were ready to upsize from our 336. I have not sailed a 410 so cannot comment on its sailing qualities, I'm sure it moves well. In my mind, having looked at the 410 and comparing it to my 380, I think the 410 has a little more room, but most of the space is taken up by the second head. I am not a big fan of heads at the pointy end (I've said this about Beneteau's too). I've been out in 6-8 foot seas in my 380 and it handled them better than my crew did. Plus the 380 is the right size when it is just my wife and I bringing it in for a landing. Overall, I am very pleased with my 380, will let you know more when we get from the Bahamas this spring. Paul Bednarzyk S/V Knot Again
Like Bob I opted for the 380 when we were ready to upsize from our 336. I have not sailed a 410 so cannot comment on its sailing qualities, I'm sure it moves well. In my mind, having looked at the 410 and comparing it to my 380, I think the 410 has a little more room, but most of the space is taken up by the second head. I am not a big fan of heads at the pointy end (I've said this about Beneteau's too). I've been out in 6-8 foot seas in my 380 and it handled them better than my crew did. Plus the 380 is the right size when it is just my wife and I bringing it in for a landing. Overall, I am very pleased with my 380, will let you know more when we get from the Bahamas this spring. Paul Bednarzyk S/V Knot Again
380 best fit
thanks for input guys, what options would you recommend? can i upgrade to a bigger engine,50hp? also the autohelm seems to be a must but the 5000 has some glitches. does anyone have the tri-cabin version? any input would be greatly appreciated.
thanks for input guys, what options would you recommend? can i upgrade to a bigger engine,50hp? also the autohelm seems to be a must but the 5000 has some glitches. does anyone have the tri-cabin version? any input would be greatly appreciated.
Make sure to get the electric halyard winch
We have had our 376 for one year and, assuming you go with the full batten main, the most important option is the electric halyard winch. When we bought her she lacked this critial component and required the dealer to only quote a price if they agreed to include it. As the previous posts pointed out the 376/380 has a very large main for her size and is more sensitive. You will love the extra sail area in light winds, but you will also need to learn to reef before other boats in your area. Not a bad trade-off. Good luck. Russell Allie Kat
We have had our 376 for one year and, assuming you go with the full batten main, the most important option is the electric halyard winch. When we bought her she lacked this critial component and required the dealer to only quote a price if they agreed to include it. As the previous posts pointed out the 376/380 has a very large main for her size and is more sensitive. You will love the extra sail area in light winds, but you will also need to learn to reef before other boats in your area. Not a bad trade-off. Good luck. Russell Allie Kat
I have not seen a tri cabin in either. Be careful, the tri cabin on either boat could hurt resale
380 Options
Well... I wished I'd 1.)Ordered inverter system with more batteries. 2.)Ordered a refer/freezer instead of ice box 3.)Ordered a maxprop I did order; 1.) Electric Halyard winch (mandatory in my opinion) 2.) Electric windlass (mandatory). 3.) Autohelm ST 50 (now ST^60) knot, speed and depth 4.) Raytheon RL72RC radar,chartplotter, GPS at helm (1Unit) 5.) Custom dodger with handholds from a nearby canvas man. As far as I know you cannot upgrade the motor size, if it was possible I would recommend it. I added a small 9" TV/VCR unit on a custom shelf above the nav station. It runs off DC plug at nav station since I don't have an inverter. Keeps kids happy in strange harbors on bad days. Best of luck with your outfitting, it's a great boat. Bob Knott S/V Serenity 99 H380
Well... I wished I'd 1.)Ordered inverter system with more batteries. 2.)Ordered a refer/freezer instead of ice box 3.)Ordered a maxprop I did order; 1.) Electric Halyard winch (mandatory in my opinion) 2.) Electric windlass (mandatory). 3.) Autohelm ST 50 (now ST^60) knot, speed and depth 4.) Raytheon RL72RC radar,chartplotter, GPS at helm (1Unit) 5.) Custom dodger with handholds from a nearby canvas man. As far as I know you cannot upgrade the motor size, if it was possible I would recommend it. I added a small 9" TV/VCR unit on a custom shelf above the nav station. It runs off DC plug at nav station since I don't have an inverter. Keeps kids happy in strange harbors on bad days. Best of luck with your outfitting, it's a great boat. Bob Knott S/V Serenity 99 H380
Options
Neal, as to your question regarding options, I added: Freedom 20 inverter Added extra batteries, higher output alternator, Link 2000 Roller furling main Grunert freezer/refrigerator 16,000 BTU reverse cycle a/c 12V fans in each cabin Bimini Spare halyard (for the spinnaker to be added and useful for hauling the dink) Kept cockpit cushions from our 336 Built anchor locker divider 3-bladed Maxprop Like Bob I have things I wish I would have added up front: Dodger Autopilot (soon to be added, probably Autohelm 6000+) I have a question to Les, when you say the 380 is delicate, do you mean sensitive to small changes in sail trim and steering inputs? If so I agree. As to the wheel brake, apparently I'm not the only one and I suspect is the one weakness of the Edson CDi system. I have been in contact with Edson and they have been extremely helpful. Sorry this is so long, but I too like my boat and I hope this is helpful. Paul Bednarzyk S/V Knot Again
Neal, as to your question regarding options, I added: Freedom 20 inverter Added extra batteries, higher output alternator, Link 2000 Roller furling main Grunert freezer/refrigerator 16,000 BTU reverse cycle a/c 12V fans in each cabin Bimini Spare halyard (for the spinnaker to be added and useful for hauling the dink) Kept cockpit cushions from our 336 Built anchor locker divider 3-bladed Maxprop Like Bob I have things I wish I would have added up front: Dodger Autopilot (soon to be added, probably Autohelm 6000+) I have a question to Les, when you say the 380 is delicate, do you mean sensitive to small changes in sail trim and steering inputs? If so I agree. As to the wheel brake, apparently I'm not the only one and I suspect is the one weakness of the Edson CDi system. I have been in contact with Edson and they have been extremely helpful. Sorry this is so long, but I too like my boat and I hope this is helpful. Paul Bednarzyk S/V Knot Again
Paul B. & Les - <Mines broke too
Paul & Les, My wheel brake on my 380 doesn't work either!. Let me know what you find out from Edson, Paul. Think spring Bob Knott S/V Serenity
Paul & Les, My wheel brake on my 380 doesn't work either!. Let me know what you find out from Edson, Paul. Think spring Bob Knott S/V Serenity
380 Wheel Brake, etc.
To Paul B and Bob, et.al., The wheel brake on my 380 has never worked. It took about twenty turns before it would grab and then it would practically lock the wheel. No in between. Almost everyone from the dealer to the Edson rep told me they had redeisgned the wheel brake. And I kept telling them, I didn't care if they had redesigned it, it wasn't working. Edson has sent my dealer an up-grade with new parts. A local marine repair person put them on and it still doesn't work. If anything the brake is even worse than before. However, I have tried other H 380 and their wheel brakes work. I intend with warmer weather to inspect their brakes and see what is different about mine. I will keep this BB informed as to my progress. I intend to have a working boat by this spring. Les
To Paul B and Bob, et.al., The wheel brake on my 380 has never worked. It took about twenty turns before it would grab and then it would practically lock the wheel. No in between. Almost everyone from the dealer to the Edson rep told me they had redeisgned the wheel brake. And I kept telling them, I didn't care if they had redesigned it, it wasn't working. Edson has sent my dealer an up-grade with new parts. A local marine repair person put them on and it still doesn't work. If anything the brake is even worse than before. However, I have tried other H 380 and their wheel brakes work. I intend with warmer weather to inspect their brakes and see what is different about mine. I will keep this BB informed as to my progress. I intend to have a working boat by this spring. Les
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