30 footer sinks in Long Island Sound
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"The trio told police they had purchased the sailboat on the previous day and were unaware the weather would change on such short notice."
Man, That's one short sailing career. Should make for an interesting insc claim if they had even purchased a policy yet.
Man, That's one short sailing career. Should make for an interesting insc claim if they had even purchased a policy yet.
"...such short notice..." ?? what were they expecting, an e-mail or a Twitter or a Facebook posting from the NWS ??? MAN..as I have said before, "Just because ya have dollars does not necessarily mean ya have sense.".
A well managed Beneteau 30 should not have any problem with the conditions that were quoted..
A well managed Beneteau 30 should not have any problem with the conditions that were quoted..
Sailing in the dark is a rough way to start out on a new boat
I have to say on are last Wednesday night race on the 7th which finished in dark, rain and gusts up to 30 with a steady 20 knots it was a challange seeing and doing
I have to say on are last Wednesday night race on the 7th which finished in dark, rain and gusts up to 30 with a steady 20 knots it was a challange seeing and doing
Bear in mind we have all done something stupid at least once. Its truly there but the grace of god for the green sailor.
When I bought the boat and it came time to bring it home had already over committed myself and needed to be back at our dock in three days, had a friend who is an experienced sailor and his girlfriend a somewhat less experienced but more than I was/am sailor help with the transit. It hadn't been planned that way but boy was I glad as I shall explain when they signed on.
Went to put up the genny, but came up with a small jib, the bags were mismarked. The weather on the river had been less than 10 and the forecast indicated 10 to 15 mph on the bay. The experienced sailor was grousing about not having enough canvas up. Turned out of the Pax River into the Chesapeake and were immediately slammed with 55 mph gust, if the genny had been up we'd have laid her over. Then the wind settled to a calm 35 to 40. That was when we discovered the main had no reef. (I'd sailed her during the survey, but hadn't noticed the lack of reefing points on the main the surveyor had it was in the report.)
The boat was sound and the experienced help good, but it could have turned out very different. I'd planned to be taking her home alone.
When I bought the boat and it came time to bring it home had already over committed myself and needed to be back at our dock in three days, had a friend who is an experienced sailor and his girlfriend a somewhat less experienced but more than I was/am sailor help with the transit. It hadn't been planned that way but boy was I glad as I shall explain when they signed on.
Went to put up the genny, but came up with a small jib, the bags were mismarked. The weather on the river had been less than 10 and the forecast indicated 10 to 15 mph on the bay. The experienced sailor was grousing about not having enough canvas up. Turned out of the Pax River into the Chesapeake and were immediately slammed with 55 mph gust, if the genny had been up we'd have laid her over. Then the wind settled to a calm 35 to 40. That was when we discovered the main had no reef. (I'd sailed her during the survey, but hadn't noticed the lack of reefing points on the main the surveyor had it was in the report.)
The boat was sound and the experienced help good, but it could have turned out very different. I'd planned to be taking her home alone.
It's kinda funny, good thing only their feelings got hurt. They didn't know the boat at all. It started taking on water from an unknown to them source. Then they are looking around in a boat that was filling up with water in a little bit rough conditions. I bet it would be hard to find the source of a leak if you didn't know your boat well, and didn't know where to start looking.
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Shit happens some times with a new boat that you don't get a chance to really know all about,looks like a nice boat.
Nick
Shit happens some times with a new boat that you don't get a chance to really know all about,looks like a nice boat.
Nick
I am with sinnettc. That boat does look salvageable.
I know that I am not going to salvage it though. I've got too many other loose ends to get into that business unless invited or asked.
An anchor or two rowed away from shore might help keep it from getting pushed higher up the beach. If the boat still has a winch the anchor rode(s) could be winched in but I would guess that the boat's engine might have been swamped so it might still need a tow boat. If the keel is not about to fall off it could be done...
I know that I am not going to salvage it though. I've got too many other loose ends to get into that business unless invited or asked.
An anchor or two rowed away from shore might help keep it from getting pushed higher up the beach. If the boat still has a winch the anchor rode(s) could be winched in but I would guess that the boat's engine might have been swamped so it might still need a tow boat. If the keel is not about to fall off it could be done...
I'll try to find it today and report.
I was sailing on the Sound Friday and while there was a breeze it wasn't even close to a gale. 15 to18 knots and diminishing in the PM.
If the boat was sinking and had to be abandoned why did it wash up on the beach?
There won't be a Norfolk style assault on the owner here in Southold. Unless it landed on a Piping Plover nest the the town might not know about it.
I was sailing on the Sound Friday and while there was a breeze it wasn't even close to a gale. 15 to18 knots and diminishing in the PM.
If the boat was sinking and had to be abandoned why did it wash up on the beach?
There won't be a Norfolk style assault on the owner here in Southold. Unless it landed on a Piping Plover nest the the town might not know about it.
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=126647
Looking her over, it appears that the jib zippered out of the tuff luff, and then they lowered it, to promptly sink and wrap around the shaft, because that's where it is. The jib is tacked on to a Furlex, and the halyard is over the side with some sail around the shaft and skeg. The main is "storm" furled with whatever rope they had aboard. You could hoist it now.
Finally, the weather the night they "abandoned the boat because it was sinking" was really... meh. I mean, the anemometer on my house was reading about 24-26 knots, gusting to 32-34 at best. Not your choice evening for a delivery, but certainly not an "oh my God we're all gonna die call the Coast Guard" type of night either. Let's face it, we've all raced in worse, let alone delivered. According to a friend, you should have heard these guys on VHF Ch. 16. We're on the south side of LI Sound, so the nearest Coast Guard station isn't "near." It's in New Haven. So generally, Suffolk County PD and the local volunteer fire departments respond in their generic 28' "rescue" boats. These guys were calling for help on the radio, and were told that it might take 30-45 minutes to get a boat to them off Wading River. Then they started screaming that they didn't have that long to live. They were scared, really scared.
Okay, so chalk it up to complete inexperience, and no, none of us were there so we have no idea what really happened to these guys. No harm, no foul. Most likely someone bought a boat, found two buddies who had not been sailing much to help him deliver, and well, as the thread title says, "Weather forecast, we don't need no steeking weather forecast." Then things started going south, and they panicked. If they had only stayed with the boat they could have just washed ashore in my back yard, and I would gladly have given them hot coffee and breakfast.
Now, would you please get your sailboat off my beach? Sailflow is calling for 20 knots of easterlies all day, and this thing is going to wind up racked up on the eastern jetty of Mattituck Inlet by sunset. They called in Douglass Marine for an estimate on what it would cost to haul her off the beach, but they didn't like the price, so they declined. Meanwhile. the locals are "exploring" their new find, and I think eight people have approached me asking what the definition of salvage rights is.
Looking her over, it appears that the jib zippered out of the tuff luff, and then they lowered it, to promptly sink and wrap around the shaft, because that's where it is. The jib is tacked on to a Furlex, and the halyard is over the side with some sail around the shaft and skeg. The main is "storm" furled with whatever rope they had aboard. You could hoist it now.
Finally, the weather the night they "abandoned the boat because it was sinking" was really... meh. I mean, the anemometer on my house was reading about 24-26 knots, gusting to 32-34 at best. Not your choice evening for a delivery, but certainly not an "oh my God we're all gonna die call the Coast Guard" type of night either. Let's face it, we've all raced in worse, let alone delivered. According to a friend, you should have heard these guys on VHF Ch. 16. We're on the south side of LI Sound, so the nearest Coast Guard station isn't "near." It's in New Haven. So generally, Suffolk County PD and the local volunteer fire departments respond in their generic 28' "rescue" boats. These guys were calling for help on the radio, and were told that it might take 30-45 minutes to get a boat to them off Wading River. Then they started screaming that they didn't have that long to live. They were scared, really scared.
Okay, so chalk it up to complete inexperience, and no, none of us were there so we have no idea what really happened to these guys. No harm, no foul. Most likely someone bought a boat, found two buddies who had not been sailing much to help him deliver, and well, as the thread title says, "Weather forecast, we don't need no steeking weather forecast." Then things started going south, and they panicked. If they had only stayed with the boat they could have just washed ashore in my back yard, and I would gladly have given them hot coffee and breakfast.
Now, would you please get your sailboat off my beach? Sailflow is calling for 20 knots of easterlies all day, and this thing is going to wind up racked up on the eastern jetty of Mattituck Inlet by sunset. They called in Douglass Marine for an estimate on what it would cost to haul her off the beach, but they didn't like the price, so they declined. Meanwhile. the locals are "exploring" their new find, and I think eight people have approached me asking what the definition of salvage rights is.
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They said the jib or halyard was wrapped around the shaft or prop so I guess they were not able to control or steer the boat and than waves coming over into the boat so they panicked and like normal boat lands on beach.
nick
They said the jib or halyard was wrapped around the shaft or prop so I guess they were not able to control or steer the boat and than waves coming over into the boat so they panicked and like normal boat lands on beach.
nick
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