2008 Hunter 27-3 in weather, tips requested

Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
We have had a decent summer with our new to us 27-3, however we had our butts handed to us out on Lake Erie the last two times out. Both times I did due diligence checking the marine forecast for wind and waves, both times it ended up being wrong so we were caught in conditions that were challenging. The first was a wind change from he predicted 4-6knts to somewhere above 15 gusting higher, waves were supposed to 1-3' but ended up more like 3-6'. For those not familiar with conditions on this lake, the waves are somewhat square, there are no rollers, only walls of water with short intervals. We took water over the deck and coach roof several times. Normally I would approach the waves at 45* under power, this boat seems to handle them better square on but that's not very pleasant. We figured the hull from the keel forward was out of the water before landing in the trough with a boom. The mast was doing a pretzel dance. We never got the sails up, managed to pick our chance and turned back. Anyone have a better tip for waves and large boat wakes?
This last weekend we were out doing .1 knots, (yes that is Point 1), both sails rolled all the way out. Within a minute the wind clocked around 90* and went from nothing to 15-20knts catching us on the beam. We were over canvassed and over powered so I kicked the mainsheet out of the cleat to spill the wind and right the boat. We wanted to reef the main but it was impossible to roll it in until we headed directly into the wind. That depowered it enough to winch it in about half way. Unfortunately the jib was now flogging and wrapped the sheet around the forward deck cleat before we could get it under control. My last resort was to start the diesel, get the jib rolled in and run with the wind until we got into a lee shore where rwe rolled in the rest of the main. I will admit to some confusion as this is our first boat with the RF main sail. How would you handle this differently?
 
May 1, 2011
5,434
Pearson 37 Lusby MD
In a similar situation to your second scenario, I turned downwind and furled the jib. Started the engine to go head to wind, then reefed the main. Granted, I don't have a furling main, but that's the way I'd do it.
 
Aug 13, 2012
533
Catalina 270 Ottawa
In a similar situation to your second scenario, I turned downwind and furled the jib.
This is how i would do it, as well. You want to be on a broad reach to be able to unload the jib and furl it without flogging. Then you turn into wind and deal with the main. It is quite likely that using the engine would help you keep the boat on a steady course. Especially, in waves.
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
Ron, we are out of Erie, so about 130 miles or so East of you.

Everyone, thank you for the input. Hopefully we can get out a few more times before hauling for the season. We have abut four weeks before the mast comes down and we are done.
 
Nov 8, 2007
1,612
Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio
First of all, Craig, you will learn how to set up your boat to perform in any weather! Winds of 15-20 knots mean good sailing with the right tuning of your rig. Here are some suggestions to accelerate your learning:

If there is a cruising sailing school in Erie, see if you can hire an instructor for a day to help you set up your boat, sail it with you and your crew, and help you to develop contingency plans for different weather and conditions. In our 17th summer cruising on the Great Lakes, mostly Lake Erie and including delightful visits to your area, we still talk through "What ifs..." for weather, system failures, other boaters, anchoring, docking, etc. Developing and executing such plans is one of the joys of sailing! If you can't find an instructor, check your marina and local yacht clubs for an experienced sailor to spend some time with you. I think a club would be glad to help, even a non-member.

Day sail in the Erie Bay. Like our Sandusky Bay, it will protect you from the big waves even in higher winds, so you can solve the wind without the stress of big waves.

We heave to when the weather gets rough. We can reef both the main and genny while hove to, and the boat and crew quiet down a lot. Learn how to perform this maneuver. You will be amazed at how helpful it can be in a crunch.

Fair winds and following seas!
 
Jun 3, 2010
177
Hunter 27-3 Erie
David, thanks for the tips but it's not quite as it appears. I have been sailing for 35+ years but as one of my dock neighbors pointed out, "congratulations, this is the first boat you have ever owned that was made in this century". On any of our other boats (and there were a few), I would have dumped the wind, pulled the reefing lines to #1 reef and headed out to enjoy the ride. On this boat the RF main has me in a headlock, the ability to reef in as much or as little of the main seems like a great idea in theory. In practice the reefing mechanism has a very small window of operation. Yes, you need to head upwind to be able to roll in the main, but a few degrees one way or the other and the inhaul mechanism is unable to overcome the force and friction from the sail so no reefing. Neither the admiral or I have been able to effectively make the transition from a boom mounted sail to this RF main. The rig tension, halyard tension, wind direction and force all play hell with the furling mechanism. By the time we get it figured out this season it will be time to drop the mast and haul for the season.......yes, I am frustrated with the boat.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,062
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
We heave to when the weather gets rough. We can reef both the main and genny while hove to, and the boat and crew quiet down a lot. Learn how to perform this maneuver. You will be amazed at how helpful it can be in a crunch.
This is excellent advice.
 

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Nov 17, 2012
92
Hunter 33 Shediac Bay
Craig,
The easiest way to furl the main in the windy situation you describe is to point a little more into the wind to remove some of the pressure and then to let the outhaul out in little bits at a time while reefing the main. Let the outhaul out about 1 foot then lock it in and then reef in the main. Repeat this process for the amount of sail you want to remove. The smallest amount of pressure on the outhaul will result in what you are describing. Practice this and you will see that reefing your furling main is a breeze in any condition. This is how I do it and have no problems at all.
Marc