1986 O'Day 27 272 Wheel v. Tiller

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Sep 14, 2012
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Oday 27
I'm looking at purchasing a 1986 O'Day 27 272. So far so good. However, the steering is a wheel in the cockpit that has a shaft from the transom to the spade rudder. I could be dead wrong, but cannot imagine that is the original steering set up. The shipyard agent for the owner said he is 99% sure O'Day had this confguration. There is an "emergency" tiller and bolt holes for fitting on the rudder, similar to emergency tillers I have seen on Hunter 27's that have wheels.

Is anyone familiar with the 1986 O'Day 27 272 to confirm that there was such a steering set up. I would prefer a tiller and any O'Days I have seen all had tillers and spade rudders. The boatyard agent and I discussed taking out the wheel and setting a tiller. He would not mind doing that at all as he would like the wheel to sell. If the wheel is not original, that is fine, as long setting up a tiller rig is not causing another problem that I would not know to anticipate.

Thanks.
 
Jan 10, 2012
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I don't think they had wheels, check with iluvodays.com to look at original brochure. I have an 86 272 and it is a great boat. Best purchase I have ever made.
 
Sep 14, 2012
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Oday 27
I don't think they had wheels, check with iluvodays.com to look at original brochure. I have an 86 272 and it is a great boat. Best purchase I have ever made.

I will check, thanks. I like the O'Day 272 and everythign I have read/heard has been overwhlemingly positive.
 
Mar 28, 2007
637
Oday 23 Anna Maria Isl.
short reply because tapping on cell phone. they came both ways. tiller or wheel. on the wheel, push rod through transom was factory.read the first 272 LE owner review on this site- owner said his wheel version worked well. interiors are sharp! good luck.
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,941
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
That was the EDSON RLA or Remote Linear Actuator wheel setup and it was more or less "invented" to meet the need for O'DAY to easily install a wheel as a Factory Option on the 272. The same system was optional on the PEARSON 27 of the same vintage as the O 272. Several owners have installed them aftermarket as well, even in smaller boats such as the 1977-85 O'DAY 23.
 

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Sep 14, 2012
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Oday 27
short reply because tapping on cell phone. they came both ways. tiller or wheel. on the wheel, push rod through transom was factory.read the first 272 LE owner review on this site- owner said his wheel version worked well. interiors are sharp! good luck.

Wow. Thanks. Wheel in cockpit of a 27' feels cramped for me, but can understand why others might like it. If I had bought an O'Day in 86, I probalby owudl have liked a wheel. My only concern was if I was doing anything ill-avised if took it back to tiller. Interior is good, some stains on hull liner, having a survey to be sure deck is ok at stanchions, mast, etc.
 
Oct 12, 2012
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Oday 272 Cape Coral, FL
I have an 1986 O'Day 272 with tiller. O'Day offered a wheel as an option, but with a 7' cockpit, it is hard to get around.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I'm looking at purchasing a 1986 O'Day 27 272. So far so good. However, the steering is a wheel in the cockpit that has a shaft from the transom to the spade rudder. I could be dead wrong, but cannot imagine that is the original steering set up. The shipyard agent for the owner said he is 99% sure O'Day had this confguration. There is an "emergency" tiller and bolt holes for fitting on the rudder, similar to emergency tillers I have seen on Hunter 27's that have wheels.

Is anyone familiar with the 1986 O'Day 27 272 to confirm that there was such a steering set up. I would prefer a tiller and any O'Days I have seen all had tillers and spade rudders. The boatyard agent and I discussed taking out the wheel and setting a tiller. He would not mind doing that at all as he would like the wheel to sell. If the wheel is not original, that is fine, as long setting up a tiller rig is not causing another problem that I would not know to anticipate.

Thanks.
The O'Day 272 LE had the steering wheel and an inboard diesel engine. The O'Day 272 had a tiller and also a bracket on the transom for an outboard. I don't think that they installed a steering wheel in a 272 unless the owner asked the dealer to arrange for it at the factory.

I asked for a full stern rail on my new 1986 O'Day and the dealer arranged for the factory to install it. The Fall River Ma factory even left my Gennie winches and tracks off the cabin for me as I had requested back then.
I toured the factory twice back then to watch my boat being built and those workers were the kindest and most helpful people you can ever imagine.
About a year or two later I was at the Newport Boat Show talking to Rudy Nickerson who had a Garhauer display set up, and I bumped into Chuck Resnovik who was the Foreman in the O'Day factory back then. I told him that I had a couple of voids in the Gelcoat in my cockpit and Chuck took down my name and address and sent me a small jar of "Tidal Sands" Epoxy filler. It wasn't unusual for the workers in that factory to bend over backward to please their customers.
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
78
-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
Good story Joe. I didn't know that you had been to the factory to witness the production of you boat. That must have been quite an experience. When I lived in Buffalo, C&C Yachts, that was located in Niagara on Lake, Ontario, use to have an open house every year. I found that to be really impressive, and use to count the days until the open house arrived. Do you know what ever became of the O'Day factory?
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Good story Joe. I didn't know that you had been to the factory to witness the production of you boat. That must have been quite an experience. When I lived in Buffalo, C&C Yachts, that was located in Niagara on Lake, Ontario, use to have an open house every year. I found that to be really impressive, and use to count the days until the open house arrived. Do you know what ever became of the O'Day factory?
Hi George,
The O'Day factory was located in the Fall River Industrial Park. I imagine that the building is still there and occupied by another business quite similar to Cape Dory Yachts that was located in East Taunton not too far from where I live. It used to be in the old Ansonia Mills buildings before Cape Dory moved in and I'm not sure what is in there now. Probably condos.

I know that Rudy bought all the molds and all the hardware that was in O'Day building. The mold for the O'Day 222 got burned up in a fire that they had at the factory so I'm told. Rudy also bought out all the hardware at Alden Yachts which was located in the East Passage Yachting Center in Portsmouth RI.

They were pretty nice to me at the O'Day factory. I don't think that I ever called ahead to take the tour. I just went down there and they got someone to take me around.

One of the secretaries in the office used to print out a free O'Day Newsletter and send it out to anyone who owned an O'Day or requested the newsletter. It contained some mods that were sent to her by O'Day owners. I got the idea of cutting the cover for my head and adding hinges to it, from that newsletter. I think that was the second mod that I did on my boat after I bought it.
A lot of people weren't comfortable sitting on the head with that hatch cover up against their back, so someone came up with the idea of cutting and adding hinges to it so that it would lay flat on the V birth mattress.

I also toured both the Beetle Cat and the Marshal Catboat factories. Marshal has their boat hulls molded somewhere else and they're shipped in and fitted with wood at their factory.

I think that the reason why O'Day went out of business was that they bit off more than they could chew by taking on too many different lines of boats other than O'Days. They should have just stuck to building O'Days.

From what I've read though, O'Days are still being build in Japan and the O'Day 23 is or was being built in Brazil. Rudy had some O'Days built by a guy in Bristol RI back in the 1990s.

Unless you have a buyer to take them off your hands it just isn't worth building the larger O'Days. They're nice boats once you remove the bugs from them, namely their rudders. They have a tendency to break, but that's another story.

Joe
 

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Jun 2, 2004
1,941
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
The former O'DAY Factory at 848 Airport Road in the Fall River, MA Industrial Park is now housing 2 marine companies. New England Ropes has been located there since a few years after O'DAY moved out (check their web site for history) and recently Pearson Pilings moved into another part of the building (address is actually 846 Airport Rd. if I recall). Pearson Pilings is an offshoot of the old TPI (Tillotson-Pearson Inc) run by one of Everett Pearson's sons, they make fiberglass composite pilings for docks.

O'DAY went bankrupt due to many factors, one had to be the economic climate of the late 1980's, with a stock market plunge in Fall of 1987. O'DAY was on somewhat "shaky" ground around then, having just gone through a buyout by a group of employees and investors. O'DAY had been owned by Bangor Punta since the mid 1960's but BP apparently wished to get out of the boatbuilding part of their holdings around 1984-6 and the company was sold to Lear-Siegler and made a division of that company's Starcraft Boats (Starcraft Sailboats) Part of the Starcraft Sailboats Division was Prindle Catamarans, but these were not part of O'DAY/CAL.... they may have been built at the Fall River plant, but this was not a decision made by O'DAY Management and they were just another part of Starcraft at the time. Prior to this, Bangor Punta had consolidated their CAL Boats and O'DAY Sailboats divisions (offices combined in about 1980, manufacturing in around 1983 at the Fall River Plant of O'DAY). The RANGER FUN a 23' retractable keel racing design was brought to the O'DAY facility as well (this was a Jenneau design introduced to the US market, Jenneau was connected to Bangor Punta but I don't recall who "owned" who). Around this time O'DAY was phasing out their "traditional" designs and introducing the more European style designs (302, 322, 240, 272,280) and by 1987 the small boat emphasis of O'DAY started to disappear as the DS III was the only "daysailing" model being built.
That buyout in around 1987 was financed based on future sales.....just as sailboat sales started to slow down...... with funding tight, suppliers often had to wait long for payments on what they delivered to O'DAY.....this couldn't go on for long....and by May 1989 the bank locked the doors. O'DAY production (in limited numbers?) was briefly moved to the Pearson Yachts Factory in Portsmouth, RI after Pearson bought some of the O'Day line to be run as a separate company under the same roof. Unfortunately, Pearson had also just undergone a buyout by an investment group of Employees and Pearson Boat owners when Grumman-Allied sold off some of their boating holdings and in 1991 they too went bankrupt. The O'DAY 290 was introduced during the short run of the Pearson-built O'DAYs, interesting to note that the 290 was just a slight redesign of the CR Hunt Associates CAL 28 introduced while CAL production was housed at the O'DAY Factory.

Joe, last that I knew, Rudy had the 222 molds, but they may have been lost in a fire after I saw them listed in a mailing that I received about 15 years ago from D&R. At that time D&R had the molds for: Widgeon, DS II, 192, 222, 240, 290 and 35. Maybe others, but those are the ones that I recall.
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
78
-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
I envy your tour through the facility. I bought my 23' (1979) in 1981 from a guy who had just purchased a Catalina 30. I had always envisioned a trip to Fall River to see the plant. I made it to Hawaii, Japan, Korea Turkey, Oman and a whole bunch of other places, courtesy of Uncle Sam, but never to Fall River. I guess it just wasn't in the cards. I had heard about the 23's being remanufactured, but I guess after the bottom fell out of the small boat manufacturing, it wasn't bound for success anyway. Old boats are worth far more to their owner's, than the market anyway. I guess that's why I like this web site so much, everyone seems to feel the same about their boat, and it's positively contageous. Thanks Joe, take care.
George
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
78
-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
Thanks Sunbird for the information. The only constant in life I guess is change, good to know that it's still there though.
 

Pat

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Jun 7, 2004
1,250
Oday 272LE Ninnescah Yacht Club, Wichita, Ks.
The former O'DAY Factory at 848 Airport Road in the Fall River, MA Industrial Park is now housing 2 marine companies. New England Ropes has been located there since a few years after O'DAY moved out (check their web site for history) and recently Pearson Pilings moved into another part of the building (address is actually 846 Airport Rd. if I recall). Pearson Pilings is an offshoot of the old TPI (Tillotson-Pearson Inc) run by one of Everett Pearson's sons, they make fiberglass composite pilings for docks.

O'DAY went bankrupt due to many factors, one had to be the economic climate of the late 1980's, with a stock market plunge in Fall of 1987. O'DAY was on somewhat "shaky" ground around then, having just gone through a buyout by a group of employees and investors. O'DAY had been owned by Bangor Punta since the mid 1960's but BP apparently wished to get out of the boatbuilding part of their holdings around 1984-6 and the company was sold to Lear-Siegler and made a division of that company's Starcraft Boats (Starcraft Sailboats) Part of the Starcraft Sailboats Division was Prindle Catamarans, but these were not part of O'DAY/CAL.... they may have been built at the Fall River plant, but this was not a decision made by O'DAY Management and they were just another part of Starcraft at the time. Prior to this, Bangor Punta had consolidated their CAL Boats and O'DAY Sailboats divisions (offices combined in about 1980, manufacturing in around 1983 at the Fall River Plant of O'DAY). The RANGER FUN a 23' retractable keel racing design was brought to the O'DAY facility as well (this was a Jenneau design introduced to the US market, Jenneau was connected to Bangor Punta but I don't recall who "owned" who). Around this time O'DAY was phasing out their "traditional" designs and introducing the more European style designs (302, 322, 240, 272,280) and by 1987 the small boat emphasis of O'DAY started to disappear as the DS III was the only "daysailing" model being built.
That buyout in around 1987 was financed based on future sales.....just as sailboat sales started to slow down...... with funding tight, suppliers often had to wait long for payments on what they delivered to O'DAY.....this couldn't go on for long....and by May 1989 the bank locked the doors. O'DAY production (in limited numbers?) was briefly moved to the Pearson Yachts Factory in Portsmouth, RI after Pearson bought some of the O'Day line to be run as a separate company under the same roof. Unfortunately, Pearson had also just undergone a buyout by an investment group of Employees and Pearson Boat owners when Grumman-Allied sold off some of their boating holdings and in 1991 they too went bankrupt. The O'DAY 290 was introduced during the short run of the Pearson-built O'DAYs, interesting to note that the 290 was just a slight redesign of the CR Hunt Associates CAL 28 introduced while CAL production was housed at the O'DAY Factory.

Joe, last that I knew, Rudy had the 222 molds, but they may have been lost in a fire after I saw them listed in a mailing that I received about 15 years ago from D&R. At that time D&R had the molds for: Widgeon, DS II, 192, 222, 240, 290 and 35. Maybe others, but those are the ones that I recall.
For the detailed O'Day tale of demise, got to Google and type in "O'Day Corporation"....There is a site that tells of the lawsuits involved with the over - evaluation of the O'Day Corporation (which was actually doing well at the time), but the owners pressed Meritor Bank of Boston to over-value the corporation well beyond what the sales had ever been, and consequently, the Bank and others including the then-current President of O'Day, basically took the money and ran after the refiancing/ sale. The bank was sued as they had a fiduciuaryduty to value the company accurately thereby protecting it from exactly what happened. ...Lance Funston was the President at the time.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I envy your tour through the facility. I bought my 23' (1979) in 1981 from a guy who had just purchased a Catalina 30. I had always envisioned a trip to Fall River to see the plant. I made it to Hawaii, Japan, Korea Turkey, Oman and a whole bunch of other places, courtesy of Uncle Sam, but never to Fall River. I guess it just wasn't in the cards. I had heard about the 23's being remanufactured, but I guess after the bottom fell out of the small boat manufacturing, it wasn't bound for success anyway. Old boats are worth far more to their owner's, than the market anyway. I guess that's why I like this web site so much, everyone seems to feel the same about their boat, and it's positively contageous. Thanks Joe, take care.
George
Hey George,
I was surprised to find out that the O'Day 23 was manufactured in Brazil. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=127681
The boat was so popular over there that they put it on there postage stamp back then.
Check out the inside of their O'Day 23.
http://www.popa.com.br/docs/oday23/oday23_br_rep_EN.htm

Joe
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Joe, last that I knew, Rudy had the 222 molds, but they may have been lost in a fire after I saw them listed in a mailing that I received about 15 years ago from D&R. At that time D&R had the molds for: Widgeon, DS II, 192, 222, 240, 290 and 35. Maybe others, but those are the ones that I recall.

He told me the same thing Rod. The 222 mold got burnt up in a fire at the factory.
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
78
-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
Thanks Joe, those are great pics and info. I like the cabin windows better than the one's O'Day installed in the original. I also see that the Brazilian version has a fractional rig. I wish I spoke Portuguese, I would like to read their info. I know that O'Day's in general and the 23' in particular was very popular when I lived in Buffalo. Don't see as many down here in VA. I know it's a great boat to single hand. Thanks again Joe.
George
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,941
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
I also see that the Brazilian version has a fractional rig.
George
George, where do you see the pic of a fractional rig? Every shot that I see there shows the same masthead rig as the American version. Those windows do look racier than the American original!
 

Gaf

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Dec 31, 2006
78
-O'Day 23' Kilmarnock
It was on Joe's post with the two links, and was the second link. But you know now that you said that, I went back and looked, and you might be correct, as that is the working jib. I have sailed with only my Genoa and roller furling for many years, can't really remember when the jib was even out of my attic. So I may stand corrected.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Thanks Joe, those are great pics and info. I like the cabin windows better than the one's O'Day installed in the original. I also see that the Brazilian version has a fractional rig. I wish I spoke Portuguese, I would like to read their info. I know that O'Day's in general and the 23' in particular was very popular when I lived in Buffalo. Don't see as many down here in VA. I know it's a great boat to single hand. Thanks again Joe.
George
My wife speaks Portuguese but I don't know if she can read it. My folks could speak the language but my brother and I never learned. I know some of the bad words though. :dance:

I remember talking to Rudy years ago about the O'Day 23 and he told me that the O'Day 23 was one of the best boats that O'Day ever built.

I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for an O'Day 23 on a mooring when I'm out on the water in my boat. I'd like to compare the amount of freeboard on that boat with my O'Day 222. The freeboard on the O'Day 23 has to be a whole lot less than the O'Day 25.
 
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