1986 Hunter 23 limitations (my opinion)

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Jun 27, 2004
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Hunter 25.5 Cocoa Beach, FL
From a bad captain of a good craft:

We departed home Thursday April 1, 2010 which will be referenced as Day 0 henceforth.

A conservative estimate of passengers and gear gave Lesismor a payload weight of 2600lbs which put the cockpit drain and lower pintle under water. Tightening lower pintle nuts stopped leakage there once discovered. The upper part of the cockpit drain where the hose joins the deck fitting leaked whenever the drain was pressurized with each wave that was above that line. The bow hauling eye leaked with submersion. These leaks produced an additional 1500lbs+ of water that was hidden because we were somewhat forward ballasted- it did not accumulate in the lazaret. These issues were assuaged with materials at hand as best possible and intruding water was pumped when found.

A mishap allowed more water intrusion. Midweek in rough seas I pulled a rear stanchion off so had a deck leak where the hardware had been. Day 7 homeward motoring into 6’ seas provided much deck water. The stanchion I wired into place- though not rigid it was strong enough to maintain the stanchion/lifeline function, and chewing gum slowed deck leaks through stanchion bolt holes. A cup was utilized to capture nuisance intrusion below deck, drained periodically.

My new West Marine VHF650 (Uniden manufactured) was defective and would not transmit reliably day 1. On day 1 crew hauled the main so tightly they pulled the eye out of the head- the sail fell and the halyard remained atop the mast. This was remedied day 2 by jury-rigging a pulley on the jib halyard to hold a rigged main halyard (attached through a new hole drilled in the main head with a knife) and sailing reefed. The bow light was smashed day 2 during arrival docking on Garden Key under windy conditions. The main halyard was recovered while docked at Fort Jefferson on day 3.

Fuel estimate was made for 190 miles continuous at 3/4ths throttle- more than for the entire trip distance by motor, more than ample for a return from any point. An EPIRB was aboard.

Garden Key in the Dry Tortugas is an estimated 70 miles but reality yields more, of course. Reasonably via sailboat it is a two day trip with Marquesas Key about 1/3 of the way from Key West to offer the best anchorage, and that is how we proceeded days 1-2.
Returning Day 7 we spotted Key West on the horizon with the sun behind us, setting. We had no reliable radio transmission, no navigation lights but were in cell phone range. We relied on a handheld GPS, depth-sounder and dead-reckoning to find our way with white light on the mast to light us to other navigators that may have been in the SW Key West lane.

We made the Garden Key to Key West trip in 14 hours when returning day 7 (arriving to dock at 2200). From 2200 dock we proceeded to step the mast, motor under two bridges to the Key West City Marina, where we unloaded the boat and were on the road at 0200 day 8. It would be 10 hours road time before I found home day 8, April 9 at noon.

Crew is never to blame for mishaps. An able seaman does not a captain make. It is best I single-hand.
 
May 25, 2004
958
Hunter 260 Pepin, WI
Bad Trip

That sounds like a week I had once. Many things went wrong that made a miserable trip.

Back in the slip I found that most of the problems were easily corrected with 5 min work. (kink in the bilge pump discharge hose, spaghetti clogging the sink drain . . .)

I'm glad you got back safe.
 
Jun 28, 2009
312
hunter 23 Lake Hefner
Wow MM that bites. I know you have done this trip before. Sorry to hear about your problems. The Hunter 23 has water intrusion problems?? :confused: I'd bet you didn't have any toe rail leakage :D Glad you made it back safe and sound. I'd shutter to think what woulda happened if you REALLY needed your radio. Keep us updated on your next round of repairs and post them! Thanks! :dance:
 
Aug 5, 2009
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Hunter h23 Dallas Tx.
That journey makes my mishaps seem like nothing. Glad you made it back safe. Keep us posted on the repairs. I think I would discuss that new VHF with WM. Replacement, repair, refund or something.
 
Jun 27, 2004
122
Hunter 25.5 Cocoa Beach, FL
Pepto, the leaks were only from the cockpit deck drain and bow (hauling) eye bolt attachment. Lesismor sat so low that the cockpit drain, normally above water so not an issue, was totally submerged so essentially the water line was just below where the cockpit drain attaches to the hose. For some time I've not liked this drain size and potential for failure and have considered a "scupper" or flapper valve (for lack of better term at the moment) for a direct drain aft, something around 3" that would better discharge a wave breaking over.

C, WM was very gracious in accepting the radio for refund. They keep good records so a receipt wasn't necessary. It's made me re-think my shopping habits, though, so will be purchasing a replacement from Lake Fairview Marina- a locally owned business that can provide just as well at competitive prices.

Though the tone of my original post sounds a bit negative we had a great time. I posted that confession to offer information of some things that can go wrong with this boat under the conditions I put her.
 
Aug 9, 2005
825
Hunter 260 Sarasota,FL
Glad you had a good time and didn't need your only vhf radio or your PFDs. Where does 190 gals of water hide on a 23' vessel that a bilge pump can't get to? I once dove on a recently sunken boat just about that size off KW. kinda weird seeing all their personal stuff scattered all over the bottom....
 
Jun 27, 2004
122
Hunter 25.5 Cocoa Beach, FL
The amount of water that seeped in is an estimate based on time (>10 minutes) pumping by a 1100 gph pump running on a fully charged battery (a spare dedicated to the task). The void in the bow was full from the hauling eye leak causing even more forward ballast. The water accumulated under the sole plate and in forward spaces under the v-berth in a manner I've never experienced since it was unique to the characteristics of this particular overloaded situation (exacerbating the forward ballasting further). Perhaps my estimate is wrong and if someone wants to do the math based on the hull shape to determine the volume of this boat it would be interesting.

That would be a fascinating, albeit creepy, dive you describe. I envisioned such a scene of my boat, with a trail of jettisoned gear leading to it. I learned much on this adventure and it is humbling (even humiliating) to confess these things here but I think it important to share experience.
 
Oct 3, 2006
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Hunter 29.5 Toms River
Mark, make sure that bow eye is on there solid. Not only can it leak, but that U bolt anchors the forestay attachment in the anchor well, to the hull (without it, it is trying to pull the anchor well off the deck). I drilled holes in a 2"x4" piece of .060 stainless and then bent it so the holes were on the fold and the bend matched the bow (Holes will need resizing after bending).
 
Jun 27, 2004
122
Hunter 25.5 Cocoa Beach, FL
Brian, I like that idea. Currently I am making backing plates for my stanchions so just another piece to cut. Thanks.
 
Jun 28, 2009
312
hunter 23 Lake Hefner
I've read in the archives about someone who used steel pipe cut to length as a "backing plate" to the eye bolt.
 
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