I'm, fairly new to boating but definitely have the "bug" after taking basic sailing lessons. Now i'm looking to possibly buy. I'm now looking at an '85 Catalina 27 with following specs. Wondering if it's really better to buy now or next season. How does one tell a reasonable price? Any help would be appreciated. (we would of course hire a surveyor before we purchased). 1985 Catalina 27 Well Maintained Universal M-18 Diesel (13 Horsepower, 700 hrs) 2002: New alternator, heat exchanger, Life lines, and all new lines (all sheets & halyards) Custom made Dodger/Awning/Sail Cover (New 2000) 20 Gallon fresh water tank, 15 gallon holding tank, 22 gallon fuel tank 120V shore power, on-board 12V outlets, Heldheld/mounted GPS, AM/FM/CD Stereo, VHF Radio Standard Depth Finder, Horizon Speedmeter Sails: Main, 150% Genoa Adjustable whisker/spinnaker pole Sleeps 5, head with sit down shower
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Hans
Just bought similar boat
I bought my 85 Cat27 last December in Florida, same specs as yours. The boat had been neglected for a while, I paid $10K, but I had to still replace all running rigging, and also replaced the standing rigging (didn't trust it after 18 years). This and a few other replacements / spares ran probably around 3K, but I now have a well functioning and uncomplicated boat: I am away from my mooring in 10 min and cleaning up after a sail is about the same time. Good luck with your boat! Hans
I bought my 85 Cat27 last December in Florida, same specs as yours. The boat had been neglected for a while, I paid $10K, but I had to still replace all running rigging, and also replaced the standing rigging (didn't trust it after 18 years). This and a few other replacements / spares ran probably around 3K, but I now have a well functioning and uncomplicated boat: I am away from my mooring in 10 min and cleaning up after a sail is about the same time. Good luck with your boat! Hans
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John Perri
So, the 19k asking is a little stiff, yes?
Hi, Thanks for your response. So, do you think that 10-15k is more reasonable price depending on condition? How was the engine on yours? Did it need any work? Was it original or rebuilt? And finally, are you happy with it now? Thanks,
Hi, Thanks for your response. So, do you think that 10-15k is more reasonable price depending on condition? How was the engine on yours? Did it need any work? Was it original or rebuilt? And finally, are you happy with it now? Thanks,
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Don Bodemann
Perhaps another option
John, Four years ago I was in a similar position. I was looking to move up from a Catalina 22 (one of the greatest 22s to hit the market). While looking at C25s and C27s, my wife was looking at an old Cherubini Hunter. When she convinced me to come take a look, I was quite surprised by what I saw. Wound up buying the Hunter and never regretted it. I don't believe this is the place to knock Catalina (not that I would)nor the place for others to knock Hunter. My only point is keep your mind open. If you'ed like more info on the comparison I made, write me at sailbode@gis.net PS: I happen to know of a very nice old Cherubini Hunter 33 that's for sale for the same $$ your considering for the C27.
John, Four years ago I was in a similar position. I was looking to move up from a Catalina 22 (one of the greatest 22s to hit the market). While looking at C25s and C27s, my wife was looking at an old Cherubini Hunter. When she convinced me to come take a look, I was quite surprised by what I saw. Wound up buying the Hunter and never regretted it. I don't believe this is the place to knock Catalina (not that I would)nor the place for others to knock Hunter. My only point is keep your mind open. If you'ed like more info on the comparison I made, write me at sailbode@gis.net PS: I happen to know of a very nice old Cherubini Hunter 33 that's for sale for the same $$ your considering for the C27.
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JPF
Other Boats to Consider..
First, I had an older Cat 27 for almost 9 years and can say they are a good boat to upgrade to. Other similar boats to consider: Erickson 27 & 30 Hunter 27 & 30, (I presonally do not much like the way the 33 sails..) Sabre 28 (great boat) Cal 27 & 30 (great sailing boats) Seafarer 26 and 30 Tartan Yankee 30 Islander 28 These are a few off the top of my head I have sailed and liked. Good Luck in your search!
First, I had an older Cat 27 for almost 9 years and can say they are a good boat to upgrade to. Other similar boats to consider: Erickson 27 & 30 Hunter 27 & 30, (I presonally do not much like the way the 33 sails..) Sabre 28 (great boat) Cal 27 & 30 (great sailing boats) Seafarer 26 and 30 Tartan Yankee 30 Islander 28 These are a few off the top of my head I have sailed and liked. Good Luck in your search!
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David Foster
$10 K to $15 K
is the range of boats offered on this site from 1980 to 1984. That's the right range for the boat. Actually, I'd say there would have to be something quite special to go above $12,500. Perfect condition, and very good new sails for instance. A key question is the waters the boat has lived on. A fresh water history is probably worth about 10%. David Lady Lillie '77 h27
is the range of boats offered on this site from 1980 to 1984. That's the right range for the boat. Actually, I'd say there would have to be something quite special to go above $12,500. Perfect condition, and very good new sails for instance. A key question is the waters the boat has lived on. A fresh water history is probably worth about 10%. David Lady Lillie '77 h27
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Jim Anzalone
Best way is to see what is out there
Try this link, put in the manufacture and the year and check it out! Jim
Try this link, put in the manufacture and the year and check it out! Jim
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Hans
19K Seems High
I'd say this IS high, even if everything were in "like new" condition. The engine in my boat was just under 600h original, and all cooling parts had just been renewed/serviced. My "sea trial" was to take the boat home to the Bahamas, motoring (wind on the nose) for maybe 25 hours. After that, I had a fried fresh water (circulation) pump - an easy replacement for $150. In addition, I had a small oil leak through an invisible crack in the engine cover where the alternator attaches. I learned that this was a known "Achilles' heel", with potentially catastrophic failures, if the cast-on attachment ear brakes off. There is, however, a alternator mounting kit that I installed, which attaches the alternator to the exhaust manifold. I then could epoxy the crack shut. Since then, I have put another 50 hours on the engine, without problems. Another area to retrofit is the wiring from the engine to the engine control panel in the cockpit: the connectors have disintegrated over time, and the original design routed the alternator output through the panel, on a rather flimsy wire, resulting in significant losses. Again, not a hard fix, but one that needs to be made. After having made all the improvements, and KNOWING that everything is OK, I would pay maybe 14K if I had to re-buy my boat. BTW: I still have the original sails, which are in acceptable but not great shape. So if you get better sails, this maybe worth another several hundred. Other issues to consider: does the boat come with a roller reefer? (mine came with Hood Seafurl, still in good shape). Does it have an autopilot? )mine doesn't) Hope this helps, Hans
I'd say this IS high, even if everything were in "like new" condition. The engine in my boat was just under 600h original, and all cooling parts had just been renewed/serviced. My "sea trial" was to take the boat home to the Bahamas, motoring (wind on the nose) for maybe 25 hours. After that, I had a fried fresh water (circulation) pump - an easy replacement for $150. In addition, I had a small oil leak through an invisible crack in the engine cover where the alternator attaches. I learned that this was a known "Achilles' heel", with potentially catastrophic failures, if the cast-on attachment ear brakes off. There is, however, a alternator mounting kit that I installed, which attaches the alternator to the exhaust manifold. I then could epoxy the crack shut. Since then, I have put another 50 hours on the engine, without problems. Another area to retrofit is the wiring from the engine to the engine control panel in the cockpit: the connectors have disintegrated over time, and the original design routed the alternator output through the panel, on a rather flimsy wire, resulting in significant losses. Again, not a hard fix, but one that needs to be made. After having made all the improvements, and KNOWING that everything is OK, I would pay maybe 14K if I had to re-buy my boat. BTW: I still have the original sails, which are in acceptable but not great shape. So if you get better sails, this maybe worth another several hundred. Other issues to consider: does the boat come with a roller reefer? (mine came with Hood Seafurl, still in good shape). Does it have an autopilot? )mine doesn't) Hope this helps, Hans
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David
Price
Your purchase should be subject to a survey and after the survey further adjustments to the price can be negotiated depending on findings. Also, boats in the colder climates have only one half to one third the use of the year round sailing areas. Fresh water boats should no longer have the distinction of being more valuable than comparable climate salt water boats as the incidence of blisters is higher in fresh water.
Your purchase should be subject to a survey and after the survey further adjustments to the price can be negotiated depending on findings. Also, boats in the colder climates have only one half to one third the use of the year round sailing areas. Fresh water boats should no longer have the distinction of being more valuable than comparable climate salt water boats as the incidence of blisters is higher in fresh water.
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Bill
In CT
We looked at a nicely maintained and equiped 78 in CT for 7K. Ended up with a superp 30 Pearson but I would look at that number carefully. Bill
We looked at a nicely maintained and equiped 78 in CT for 7K. Ended up with a superp 30 Pearson but I would look at that number carefully. Bill
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