1978 Hunter 27 Transmission Problems

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Oct 10, 2006
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- - Port Arthur, TX
I have a 1978 Hunter 27 sailboat with a Yanmar SB 8 single cylinder diesel engine. I recently rebuilt the engine so I have good compression and getting the proper RPMs at the shaft. When I place the shift lever all the way in gear the boat acts as though the transmission is slipping. When I place the shift lever approximately 3/4 of the way in gear the boat appears to generate more power at the prop and through the water as if the clutch has engaged all the way, however, if I give it too much throttle the whole boat vibrates violently. I switched from the factory 2 bladed prop to a 3 bladed prop in 2007 and this has not helped. A couple of questions: A. Has anyone had this problem? B. Does the transmission need new clutch plates? C. Are the transmission parts available somewhere? D. There is an adjustment screw on the rear of the clutch/transmission housing is that an adjustment for the clutch plates?

Any help is appreciated. I don't have the expertise to rebuild the transmission so I will be looking for a reputable mechanic in the Kemah, Seabrook, TX area. Any suggestions?

Thanks for the help.
 
Jan 4, 2007
406
Hunter 30 Centerport
I had a similar problem with my old Hunter 27 also with a 8 HP Yanmar. I suspect that I had some water interusion through the rear seal when the boat took on a little water after a prop wrap loosned the strut. After changing the transmission oil and then replacing the clutch plates myself I it still slipped just as you are describing. The transmission started to progressively slip and then nothing. Had to have my sail boat towed by a speed boat (UGH!!!) to the marina to have her lifted out for the winter.

The local marine transmission expert had not a clue what the problem was.

The solution was to pull the transmistion and send the internal parts to Mack Boring in NJ for a rebuuild. (I did not send the housing or the gear case only the clutch plate mechanism. As I recall the clutch mechanism sliips on the back of the flywheel and I think is comes out with the transmission housing). Mack Boring did a rebuld for me at a suprisingly low cost and I reinstalled the clutch mechanism and it worked perfectly until I sold the boat 2 years ago. I the new owner reports no problems either.

Having rebuilt the engie you should have no problem pulling the transmission. I unbolted the shaft,Disconnected the transmission and throttle cables and wires, took the nuts off the motor mounts, put a 2"x4" over the hatchway and used a come-a-long (a hand winch used to install fences) to lift the motor up. You can then swing the motor around 180 degrees and unbolt the transmission. Put a pan under it to catch the transmission oil. The transmission only weighs about 50 pounds so you can drop the motor back in palce and carry the transmission home.

The cost was minimal compared to the lay up time and aggrevation of messing with it so I'd suggest sending it out..

Hope this helps.
 
Oct 10, 2006
34
- - Port Arthur, TX
Hunter 27 Transmission Problems

Thanks for the response. Appears I have some work to do preparing the transmission for shipment. Are there any critical clearances when the clutch plates are assembled to the flywheel? This is the part of taking it apart and putting it back together that "scares" me. I will contact Mack Boring for rebuild information. My boat is continuing to get worse over time. Thanks for the help.
 
Jan 4, 2007
406
Hunter 30 Centerport
Calvin,

There are two manuals that are available one is a service manual which has good directions for all of the service and repair procedures and the other is the shop manual. I had the service manual for my engine when it did it. And it was easy to follow. I bet that the manual is available from Mac Boring or Torrensen's in Michigan. (I've used them a lot over the years and they are great) The other is the shop manual which has detailed pics and specifications for the entire engine. I happen to have the service manual for the 1GM which is very similar to your motor and I don't think the engines are all that different. It should give you an idea of what your getting into. If you give my your email address I'll image chapter 8 which is the transmission section and send it to you tomorrow. If they look real different you can disregard the 1GM manual.

As I recall you drain the clutch oil, carefully back out the 8 bolts on the case, use a screwdriver and putty knife to seperate the bell housing of the transmission from the back of the engine block (remember you'll need new paper gasket and permatex gasket cream to put it back to gether). Once you seperate the bell from the housing you slide the transsmission back and it slides off the end of the crankshaft. Then you unbolt the 8 botds that hold the damper disk bolted to the flywheel with 8 bolts. The damper disk is what you usually call the clutch plate. It has the friction disks and a bunch of springs. This is where the slipping takes place. All are parts important to the functioning of the clutch but without the proper tools it's hard to tell if the parts are working. When the do a rebuilt the replace all the springs and plates.

I forgot to ask you the color of your tranmission oil. It should be clean just like 30 weight new motor oil because that just what it is. If it's whiteish it has water in it and there's your problemm. If it coffee colored or smells bunt there's your problem you fried the clutch plates. Either way you'll need to rebuild the friction damper.

My suspision is that when you put the 3 blade prop on the motor it overloaded the clutch and you burnt the plates. With only 8HP it overloads easily. The clutch really dosn't work like a car. It's either in or out...... when you thow it in gear it is counting on some slippage on the prop end to cushion the system. With a 3 blade you might have put such aload on the prop that it slipped even when in gear and it slipped to the point that it wore out the clutch plates.

Once you unbolt the damper disk is slides off the end of the crankshaft. The manual gives you complete instruction on how to inspect everything. The only important thing it to toque the damper disk back in place. And that's easy with a torque wrench . The specs are in the manual. The key is if you see anything amiss, replace it. It's not worth the hassel to get it all back together and find out it still isn't working. But I've got to say the system is really built well and unless you ran the trnasmission and clutch without oil and unless you had serious other problems this probably the clutch plate.......

I think that when I sent it out I sent out only the damper disk assembly to Mack Boring but I really don't remember. I don't think you have to take the transmission gears apart. If you do leave it to Mack Boring. There are a lot of small parts and uness you noticed other problems other than slipping the gearing is probably ok.


If you want the images send me your email. Mine is Nelsonhow@netscape.net
Howard

Again if you want a copy of the transmission section for the 1GM sent me your e-mail.

Howard
 
Oct 10, 2010
7
Hunter 27 Sacramento
Howard I have the same problem in my Hunter 27, GM1... is there a way I can get a copy of the transmission section also?
 
Oct 10, 2006
34
- - Port Arthur, TX
I completed the repair on the transmission and engine with the following results: The transmission friction plates (clutch discs) were replaced, various "O" rings, compression checked, new fuel lines, etc. LaBorde Products of Covington, La did all the work to my satisfaction. They are professional, have great access to Yanmar parts, a clean shop and a willingness to work with you. The only negative is they do such a large volume of oil field work the repair takes time. The engine has been reinstalled and the original 2 blade prop back on the shaft. I will sea trial tomorrow, May 21, 2011. Glad everything is complete and ready to go. I miss using the old girl.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,104
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Great, Calvin.. I find the Laborde guys very good too.. I am fortunate that they are only a few miles from my slip..
 
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