1975 Cherubini 25

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Jun 22, 2010
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Hunter 25 Shell Beach La
I have a old 25 that was neglected after Katrina. (before she was mine) The wooden floor is rotten and I want to pull it out and replace it. Any suggestions. Where there are holes, I can see the chines, and they look ok, but I will never know till I pull it up. Has anyone done this? The little boat sails like a dream and I really love it, I just hate to see it in such bad shape, and I cant use the cabin because of the floor. Any suggestions, websites, advice, comments or Help offers will be appreciated.

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Nov 6, 2006
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Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
That is a fine boat ! This is going to sound simplistic, but ya just need to wait till you can work inside then pull out all the rotten flooring.. Easiest is to try to not destroy the old panels and use them for patterns.. Nicest looking is a teak/holly veneer, which you should be able to get in New Orleans or Slidell. It is expensive so ya can’t make mistakes. Another option is to use pressure treated ply and cover it with a vinyl teak/holly flooring material. I don’t have experience with a 25, but the hunter floors are installed pretty much the same .. If you are not comfortable with the recessed cover plate(s) for bilge access, you can take the old one to a cabinet or woodworking shop and get it done as original. Search this forum for floors and look at owner modifications of a few boats to get an idea of what will be involved..
http://forums.hunter.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=123096
She is a keeper! And definitely will be fun to use to explore the Lake Borne and the Mississippi Islands!
 
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Jun 21, 2007
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Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Viewing the factory cabin floor in my boat, (no longer looking new, but still reasonably mechanically and visually OK) certain areas are not flat, but curved. Seems that the factory must have steam formed the 3/4" original teak/holly veneer plywood to conform to the curved stringers. From Whttnbrg's description, his floor probably is too far gone to just mechanically repair and then cover with a teak/holly vinyl product. So I am curious: How does a DIY'er get flat plywood to conform to the curves? Maybe two thin sheets of plywood with a generous layer of water proof Liquid Nails in between?
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Might be a feature of the H36 Rardi. I cannot visualize any curved sole on the H37C. There is a sloped piece in the galley but it is a separate piece that was mitered in. But I could be wrong since I almost never see my boat. :(

If it were my H25 I would just tear into it, learn as I go. I thing the main issue is that much of the sole goes under cabinets or other things. Those have to be removed to get to the bungs and screws.
 
Jun 22, 2010
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Hunter 25 Shell Beach La
It has already broken away from under the storage lockers. The area around the mast head is completly gone. I took the rotten pieces from under the mast head and replaced them with a brick. This was the same size, and kept the mast solid. I started today and pulled out most of the rot. I need to tighten the guide wires on the mast, but dont really want to do this till I get the floor done and the masthead set. It really is still to hot here to work inside the cabin for long. It was just a few miniutes and I was dripping. I feel so bad because the little boat sits so proud in the water, but looks so bad. I want so bad to get her back in the gulf and explore the islands this winter.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Your mast support(compression post) has to be solid before you can adjust the guide wires(shrouds). That's something you might ask for help with if you have never done it. But I wouldn't wait for a cabin sole(floor) to go sailing.
 
Jun 22, 2010
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Hunter 25 Shell Beach La
I have had her sailing. I used the brick to replace the compression post. I just dont put it under alot of stress while sailing as I really dont want the mast and everything to come crashing down on top of me. What I was refering to is the little boat looks so good sitting there at a distance, but when you get close to her, you can tell she has been neglected. Alot of the fisherman around there said I should have just laid her to rest when I brought her in, but now they are saying she is looking better. Spent 2 days just cleaning and scrubbing her up and that made a world of difference. I found out the old girl was actually white and blue, instead of green and brown. ;)
 
Nov 14, 2006
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Hunter 27 Lake Lanier, GA
a word of caution

Bricks do break under load. Be careful when sailing with a brick under the mast even if the shrouds are not loaded up completely the opposite side will tighten depending on which tack you are on...they often race Catalina 22's with slack shrouds. The best solution I have seen to remedy mast post was a rebuild using a stainless base. The base was made by a local welder.

As far as curves for the plywood flloor to match the stringers...my plywood floors are not curved but instead have tabs which resemble velcro stapled on the underside of the plywood @ the edge to adjust for the uneveness of the stringers.

My deck seems to clean up best with a mild solution of clorox. And I am a firm believer in Cetol.

It has still be hot here in Hotlanta, I use a fan when working in the cabin.
 
Jun 22, 2010
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Hunter 25 Shell Beach La
Yesterday when I was pulling out rot, I opened the front hatch and since I had my little generator on the deck, I laid a box fan over the hatch to pull air out of the cabin. It was better than nothing. Seems like the stringers are pretty solid, although one has come unglued. They are pretty dark, but one of the fisherman who runs a wooden boat sugessted some stuff to soak them in that will "Seal" them. Is this a good idea, or just replace them? I was supprised at how thin the floor was. Not much thicker then 1/4 inch plywood. I can get some teak/holly ply at a marine wood yard in Metairie for $58 a sheet, but I dont think I will need more than that will I? Also, what should I use to fasten it down, Liquid Nails?
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
John Cherubini II must be on vacation. He has had his H25 down to bare everything and back. You could send him a PM(private message) or e-mail. Just do a Search for anything related to the H25. Then when you find a post from him you will see PM or E-mail under his avatar.

I have no idea what you mean about an "unglued stringer".
 
Jun 22, 2010
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Hunter 25 Shell Beach La
The floor stringers were glued to the hull. One of them has come loose. I am just curious on how to put it back down.
 
Jan 2, 2008
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Hunter 33 (Cherubini design Forked River, Barnegat Bay, NJ
The T & H flooring on my 1983 H 33 is 1/4" plywood with a veneer of about .020". I have seen no evidence of any screws used to hold it down. I have a few sopts where the floor takes a compound curve. To get the plywood to lay into these curves Hunter did a diamond pattern cross cut an the back of the wood and then glued it in. I assume they used some sort of props to push the wood down till the glue set. Mine does not make 100 per cent contact so there are areas where it squeeks under foot.
 
Jun 5, 2010
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Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
H25 sole

(Ed-- I was on vacation.)

I did this horrid little task first-off when I got my '74 boat. Truly it was the reason the PO abandoned it. Turns out (as expected) Hunter did not use epoxy but rather polyester resin for the plywood; this rotted from the bottom upwards and the whole thing was like wet cardboard (but easily removable using bare hands!).

I made a 3-piece sole which has been in and out of the boat so often I wonder I can still find all the pieces. This is because everything else started to get redone all at once. I made new mahogany joists for under the sole which raised the sole height an inch or so; it reduced the headroom but enabled a bilge pump under the sole and let the whole sole be one flat rectangular plane (no slants but in the head, no angled sides except at the q-berth). It is in 3 sections because the outer sides are fixed against the bunk fronts (and all this first had to be sufficiently rebuilt and epoxied to within a hairbreadth of life itself, as it is all structural); and the center section is a series of three lift-out panels, one under the table and two aft, one for the bilge pump and one for the fresh-water valves.

If you need to replace it exactly as it was, use good 1/2" plywood, epoxy thoroughly, and bed with 5200. I used 'baseboards' on the bunk fronts to jam it down tightly against the hull. Then I took them off and am making nice new ones of varnished mahogany. DO NOT use pressure-treated plywood from the DIY-- please. It is no bargain, not structurally sound, and nothing will stick to it. You can make a pattern from the old piece(s) or from a piece of junk plywood or flakeboard. It does not have to be exact; get it close but too small and take 'soundings' laterally at certain points mapping the necessary additions before going to the good piece. You do not have to bevel the edges too much if you use 5200. Fill the seam against the hull with excess 5200 (use a squeegee) and 'glass over the seam with epoxy and mat. Do not forget to build in access holes for the keel bolts, etc. (before installation!). Model them on the ones under the bunk tops. I used white pine, thoroughly epoxy-saturated, for all the fiddles that hold them up. Those things are absolutely structural by now and way better than the (untreated white pine) ones Hunter installed in 1974.

I used 1/2" okoume plywood for my sole and hate it. If I had this to do over it would be in mahogany plywood. The okoume has a lousy core, it warps to sin, it checks and chips easily, and though it takes epoxy well it's still too flexible for my liking. (I also don't know how to spell it ;).) Its only merit is that it looks pretty when varnished (and it's cheap). I am going to do the sole over in Interlux Interdeck. The strakes separating the three sections are varnished mahogany and stand proud about 1/4" just enough to catch your heels when sitting below at a heel angle.

I made a new compression post out of Western white spruce, two 2x4s of it epoxied together. It looks nice now that I put an elegant bead molding on the corners. I would NOT use any other wood (well maybe mahogany) and at ALL COSTS pressure-treated yellow pine is the LAST thing you want to use-- never never NEVER. (Don't get me started. :naughty:)

I do not know what you mean by 'I just don't put it under a lot of stress while sailing'. How is this stress calculated? How much stress is enough and how much is too much? With respect-- I would NEVER go sailing without an adequate spar-support structure. I wouldn't even rig the boat. A good compression post can be easily made or contracted and installed. I know we all like to go sailing, but you may not realize what else is happening to the boat. The whole hull is probably distorting the moment you heel even a few degrees. This works chainplates and keel bolts. My boat got moved in the yard when I had not finished rebedding the keel and when I got to it again I found all my aforementioned mahogany sole joists had popped off the inside of the hull. Fortunately the keel did not drop off (5200. Nuts on the keel bolts were loose. Still held on). Please fix the boat ASAP and don't 'put it under' any stress at all till you know the mast isn't going to plunge through the deck like a harpoon (missile).
 
Jun 5, 2010
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Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
rwittenburg

rwittenburg-- don't get me wrong, mate. I'm tough but I'm not going to spoil your day. I am VERY happy you found this boat and will resurrect it (now if only I could find happy next owners for the H27, H30, H25 and O'Day 27 in our yard). It is indeed a lovely boat to sail and when properly set up will take you happily to hell and back. And it will not take much to get it properly set up. Just stick to it and do whatever you do do RIGHT. Cut no corners that shouldn't be cut. Stay away from Home Depot and buy the best materials and hardware. Avoid silicone except for your bathtub. Avoid pressure-treated except for your porch. Avoid Starboard unless it doesn't have to be strong, attractive, painted, durable, mildew- or UV-resistant, or cheap. (I made a box to hold the girls' shampoo bottles in the bathtub out of Starboard. That's its application.)

And post some pics of your lovely old dowager (I mean the boat) as soon as you can, and don't be like me spending so much money on my boat that I can't afford a good digital camera. :)
 
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