1812 "Our Flag Was Still There"

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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
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This year we Americans commemorate the beginning of the War of 1812, an unpleasant final chapter in our separation from the Crown that began off Virginia, provoked in part by Thomas Jefferson's Louisiana Purchase (1803), and acquisition of the Port of New Orleans. The United States of America was birthing as a sea power, and by that fact, becoming an international power. The British Crown had forbid the Americans to trade with France, our ally and Britain's perennial adversary.

Every war has an ignition point, or two, and they were in the Chesapeake Bay in the first decade of the 19th century. Sailors who had left the Royal Navy blockade of French trade were recruited to the Chesapeake at the Washington Navy Yard, and when the Chesapeake appeared off Cape Charles, Virginia, the Royals detained,boarded the ship, and took off with 3 Americans and a Brit.

It was a humiliation of American independence and a test of American power. The American public would have none of it. U.S Naval Commanders were ridiculed and a new resolve for independence was ignited. President James Madison urged the legislature to war, and war he got when he signed the declaration on June 18, 1812

The war raged up the U.S.coast, into the Great Lakes, and down to New Orleans where Andrew Jackson cinched his fame. In the Chesapeake, as the British pillaged and burned their way from Norfolk to Havre de Grace, and places like Bloody Point earned their names. President Madison evacuated the Presidential Mansion as the British came ashore at Bladensburg, Maryland, took Washington D.C, and burned the place down in August of 1814. On the British Army went to Baltimore where the tide was turned at Fort McHenry. By Christmas 1814 the Treaty of Ghent was done and the war had ended. There is much more to this history, and my apologies for the sacrifices not mentioned.

Please join us as we sail from Norfolk to Baltimore on June 12, 2012 in the company of tall ships, including the 1812 Privateer replicas Pride of Baltimore and Lynx and celebrate in the shadow of Fort McHenry.

Visit the Bicentennial of the War of 1812 for all the events!
 
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History Repeats!

We're getting the same trouble with the Scots right now.
Probably have the same outcome too.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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USS Chesapeake Side Note

Commander of the USS Chesapeake Capt James Lawerence as he lay mortally wounded told his crew "Don't Give up the Ship", minutes later they did just that and it sailed under the Britist flag as the HMS Chesapeake for several years before the timbers were used to buid a grist mill in Wickham, England. A portion may be seen in the Hampton Roads Naval Museum one of the several wonderful place to visit in that area.
 
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We're getting the same trouble with the Scots right now.
Probably have the same outcome too.
Guess this is what happens when you kicked Gordon Brown out of his job as PM...

But that is a post for a different Forum!
 

Gunni

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We're getting the same trouble with the Scots right now.
Probably have the same outcome too.
England has had a Scottish problem since at least 1500 and the legendary Scottish King James 4. "Fight, Sing, Drink, Pray". A hard place builds a hard people.
 

Gunni

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Commander of the USS Chesapeake Capt James Lawerence as he lay mortally wounded told his crew "Don't Give up the Ship", minutes later they did just that and it sailed under the Britist flag as the HMS Chesapeake for several years before the timbers were used to buid a grist mill in Wickham, England. A portion may be seen in the Hampton Roads Naval Museum on of the several wonderful place to visit in that area.
Interesting story here... James Lawrence took command of Chesapeake 8 years after the incident that provoked the war. James Barron had command of Chesapeake in 1807 when HMS Leopard collared Chesapeake. Cmdr. Barron attempted to surrender, but the British wouldn't have it, instead they boarded the Chesapeake, took the seamen, and sent Barron back to port in humiliation, where he was court-martialed. Famous celebrity Commodore Stephen Decatur sat on the court-martial, and voted to suspend Cmdr. Barron for 5 years. Meanwhile the Chesapeake was repaired and returned to service, with good success against the British blockade. Then in 1813, with James Lawrence in command, the Chesapeake was beaten in battle, Lawrence mortally wounded; the ship captured, and placed into Royal Navy service. She was sold in 1820, the same year that Cmdr. James Barron challenged Cdre Decatur to a duel over Decatur's continuing trash talk of the earlier court-martial affair. Decatur was killed.
 

JohnS

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Sep 25, 2008
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And, ironically, the duel that led to Decatur's death occured on the Bladensburg Dueling Grounds near where the British defeated American forces before marching on the city.
 
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I'd Always Thought it Was Hyperbole

"When ships were wood and men were iron"

I think they were right.
 

PaulK

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I like thinking about how Decatur captured the HMS Macedonian in 1812, and how we used the clout of capturing a British Navy ship (it didn't happen often) by including her in the fleets sent on U.S. "diplomatic" missions to impress (and suppress) Deys in North Africa and to later open up Japan to US trade.
 

Gunni

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Dolley Madison was made of pretty stern stuff too...and suffered a lifetime of tragedy to live a long life.
 

RichB

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Gunni,
Are you involved in organizing the recreational fleet?
I have passed your words and link on Facebook.
I hope to participate too.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
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Gunni,
Are you involved in organizing the recreational fleet?
I have passed your words and link on Facebook.
I hope to participate too.
No sir, I'm just a salty sailor instigator looking to stir up interest in our shared heritage...and go sailing with tall ships. We have a crew and will sail down to Hampton to join the flotilla to Baltimore on 12 June. Good news! The Schooner Virginia is being fitted with new spars and is expected to join the action! She'll be towing warps to keep 6 knots! :)
 
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