1 ½ week until my trip

Aug 17, 2013
1,023
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
hey everyone, well, it's almost time for my trip to the georgian bay, I just checked this weeks weather for fun and it's got me nervous, winds up to 55 kph on one day (not counting gusts) 45, 35... I'm going to have a hard week lol, so far this season I've had winds up to 20-25 kph, I might be in over my head over there.
I know, reef early but at those wind speeds I'm thinking of leaving the sails down, any advice for a simple sailor.
 
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Oct 1, 2015
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Clark San Juan 30 Blaine WA
Be Careful and use your Knowledge sailing in high winds even reefs are scary. Make sure you have ways out and don't get stuck in open water where you are going to be in danger. But most of all have fun and enjoy the adventure.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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fred; I know this is crazy but I always carried a small radio with FM just in case your electronics give out. If you even have a road map of the area and I know this sounds funny, you could always triangulate your position on that map knowing where the signals are coming from by cross plotting the strongest direction of the signals. It in a way is an old RDF trick taught to me by an old sailor and helped me out in times of need.
 

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Sep 27, 2008
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Catalina 28 mkii 745 Ottawa, Ontario, CA
We just got back from 3 weeks cruising in the North Channel. We had a wonderful time! The winds did appear higher than other years and we did get stuck motoring one day against 35 kph winds + gusts which did make us uncomfortable. If you are new to this, pick your anchorages and pick your days. There are many well protected anchorages, select based on expected wind direction. If the winds are forecast to be high just stay put for the day, don't feel that you have to move on. There is much to be explored around your present anchorage. For the most part you can find relatively protected waters if you stay west of Killarney and east of Spanish along the northern coast line.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Great idea, but only AM does that.
The whole concept is suspect. Any deltas in signal strength based on distance would be very hard to detect on a handheld radio, and not having a way to measure direction from a fixed spot, you would have to move a great distance to have something to compare them to. And then you would have to know where the antenna(s) were in the first place.

Nope. Get a cheap handheld GPS.
 
Jun 2, 2004
241
Hunter 410 Charlevoix, MI
Also - Even if your small radio idea worked, this area has very few Am or FM stations that broadcast over the entire area. It is sort of possible to do this with AM stations if you have a radio with a directional antenna. However, it is not easy or especially accurate particularly because the broadcast source may not be where they advertise. Stations up in the north use booster towers in many cases.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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STU, I goofed and should have stated AM not FM. thanks for the reminder but sure was a handy backup a time or two.
Jackdaw, you are correct knowing the radio stations where they are located but it does work where the AM signals are strong
 
Aug 17, 2013
1,023
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
it's one a and a half week, I rechecked this morning and the winds for this week have somewhat lowered in intensity.
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,598
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I don't know the area but I do know the successful weeklong cruiser's mantra - which is "Go with what Nature gives you and never fight it." If you have to spend the time at a safe dock, you'll find something to do. Sometimes you need enforced relaxation. For a period you may fight it but once you surrender, a whole other world opens to you. Forget "We have to get there by..." or "We have to meet ..." Sometimes you even have to leave the boat somewhere you don't want to. Not everyone can do this. But if you can, you can get to a mental state that is blissful. Once you stop caring if you hear the news you are on the way. BTW the news is the same when you re-enter.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
STU, I goofed and should have stated AM not FM. thanks for the reminder but sure was a handy backup a time or two.
Jackdaw, you are correct knowing the radio stations where they are located but it does work where the AM signals are strong
Dave, I'm always up for learning something new... can you walk me through the process?
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,492
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Fred, have fun on your trip. Be careful though, who you tell you will be gone. Thieves love to know this. Very common problem amongst those people that use facebook
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Dave, I'm always up for learning something new... can you walk me through the process?
Jackdaw, It is an old radio operator technique. It was used in WW1 to find radio transmitters for planes, boats and folks in the field. You can use a handheld AM radio. Open it up and see how the antenna is oriented in the radio. You are going to use the antenna as a direction finder. Tune in a station. Then rotate the radio 360 degrees till you identify the direction of the AM transmission. You are somewhere along the radial from the transmitter. Walk along the radial and the signal gets stronger (headed toward the station) or weaker (headed away from the transmitter). Once you have located one transmitter search for another. Now you have two radials. Plot them on a map and you have a location. Plot 3 or more radials and you should have a fairly accurate point of your position on the map.
Takes a bit of time but in a pinch a neat trick for self location.
WW2 the military refined the process with specific beacon location equipment. Those are the radios you see in the movies with the circular antennas sticking out of the top of the radio. Rather then turning around with your handheld radio you rotate the antenna and it gives you the bearing to the station based on signal strength. As you can imagine need a strong constant signal to be any value.
Also it helps if your map already has the transmitters located on it.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Jackdaw, It is an old radio operator technique. It was used in WW1 to find radio transmitters for planes, boats and folks in the field. You can use a handheld AM radio. Open it up and see how the antenna is oriented in the radio. You are going to use the antenna as a direction finder. Tune in a station. Then rotate the radio 360 degrees till you identify the direction of the AM transmission. You are somewhere along the radial from the transmitter. Walk along the radial and the signal gets stronger (headed toward the station) or weaker (headed away from the transmitter). Once you have located one transmitter search for another. Now you have two radials. Plot them on a map and you have a location. Plot 3 or more radials and you should have a fairly accurate point of your position on the map.
Takes a bit of time but in a pinch a neat trick for self location.
WW2 the military refined the process with specific beacon location equipment. Those are the radios you see in the movies with the circular antennas sticking out of the top of the radio. Rather then turning around with your handheld radio you rotate the antenna and it gives you the bearing to the station based on signal strength. As you can imagine need a strong constant signal to be any value.
Also it helps if your map already has the transmitters located on it.

Sweet! Thanks for that. I thought I was old enough to remember that AM antennas were directional. I guess the only trick is that you need the signal to fall off enough to allow for radial detection... I'd assume that radios designed for pubic use would try and be omni as possible. But very cool!
 
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May 3, 2016
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Macgregor 26D Ceasars Creek
Jackdaw said:
Sweet! Thanks for that. I thought I was old enough to remember that AM antennas were directional. I guess the only trick is that you need the signal to fall off enough to allow for radial detection... I'd assume that radios designed for pubic use would try and be omni as possible. But very cool!
Public radio stations must broadcast their station identity every so often, those navigating off their signal are assured the are homing on the correct station. Aircraft used automatic direction finding (ADF) using AM radio stations and transmitters located at airports for navigation. The needle tended to point towards lighting strikes but was fairly simple. You could listen to the ballgame while flying. XM radio and GPS have really changed things.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Jackdaw, I learned this trick from my father who was a WWII pilot who flew a spotter plane to include over Utah Beach On D Day and D Day plus 1directing naval and Army gunfire using that but he carried a backup AM radio listening to the British broadcasts. He had a backup radio as everything had been shot up from enemy fire. Even when he was flying the earliest helicopters advocating their use for the Army, he always carried one as a backup. That is where I learned that trick flying with dad. Last May at Ft. Rucker, I was walking thru a 132,000 sq ft. building (maintenance complex repair facility newly built dedicated to my father, Bldg 1001) I was talking with a repair tech. in avionics, we were laughing so hard talking about the use of an AM radio as an RDF, even the youngsters a couple of them Apache pilots, did not know that trick.
However, I always carried a highway road map which no one was allowed to touch as one time a kid left the batteries on which I was unaware of and dropped the maps overboard. I was caught in the fog in the Ches. Bay at night and if it were not for that AM radio and the insert of the Bay on the Virginia road map, I would have not made it back to Willoughby Spit that night. I use to tell that to my customers.

JSsailem, thank you for responding.
 
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