Electronics

Jan 1, 2006
7,691
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
A friend and I took a boat from Edgewater MD to Ft. Lauderdale and the double MFD's didn't make it to the lower Chesapeake. It would not show our vessel on the screen. That's what we knew. Neither of us knew what was wrong or could trouble shoot it. He had Navionics on his phone and that's how we completed the trip.
Neither of us had any experience in electronic diagnostics, networks or systems. There's a point where the complexity of the system exceeds the ability of ordinary users. Then it is too complex.
 
May 17, 2004
5,779
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
I’m a fan of the networked systems. We have a B&G chartplotter networked to autopilot, VHF with AIS receiver, wind transducer, speed/depth transducer, and two instrument screens. We did have a nearby lightning strike a few years ago. It disabled the networking on the plotter and VHF, but they both still worked as isolated devices until we replaced them. Based on that experience I don’t agree that just by networking everything a fault of any component automatically kills everything. In the worst case a plotter can be disconnected from the network entirely and still show charts and your position based on its internal GPS. If it can’t do that then that’s just a failure of the plotter itself, not of the networking arrangement. The advantage of having it all networked is having all the data and controls available in all of the places, not needing to pick which data to see where or where or where to control things like the autopilot from.
 
Jun 17, 2022
315
Hunter 380 Comox BC
It's not about weight savings.... it's about having the right information, in the right place, at the right time.
A friend and I took a boat from Edgewater MD to Ft. Lauderdale and the double MFD's didn't make it to the lower Chesapeake. It would not show our vessel on the screen. That's what we knew. Neither of us knew what was wrong or could trouble shoot it. He had Navionics on his phone and that's how we completed the trip.
Neither of us had any experience in electronic diagnostics, networks or systems. There's a point where the complexity of the system exceeds the ability of ordinary users. Then it is too complex.
That's like saying I had a flat while driving my car, didn't know how to fix it, so I don't drive cars anymore....
It would not auto center to your position or there was no valid gps position? Did the dsc vhf and ais have a valid position?
That doesn't seem like a network issue, more likely a settings issue. The majority of consumer grade plotters have a built in gps. It usually can be enabled or disabled depending on if there's another source on the network. Just like an AP seatrial calibration ... one has to know how to use the kit! It's no different than knowing where all the sea cocks are, where are all the main dc fuses, where is the shore power inlet breakers, float switches, etc....

yes boats have gotten more complex over the past 40 years. With that complexity comes conveniences, versatility and ease of use. I can stay at anchor indefinitely without a generator. Was that possible 40 years ago with refrigeration, lights and satellite comms running all the time? Who really wants to go back to relying in sun and star shots for primary navigation? Are we going back to manual typewriters anytime soon?

Fully agree that the mobile apps are more convenient most of the time... the only time we switch on our plotter is when we need the radar. My tablet route can send steering commands to the AP (Aquamaps)... is the tablet sometimes hard to read in the sun? Occasionally yes. Also when the touchscreen is crusted over with salt, it doesn't work and there's no buttons to use instead. I still use it 95pct of the time for ease of use...

I don't think the discussion was wether plotters are good or not, but the many benefits of simplyfing installation and maintenance by using marine networks, which have been around since what, the 80s in one form or another for pleasure craft? This is not unproven or new technology. No oem ships a boat without a networked instrument system.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,548
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I agree, we are not here to discuss chart plotter pros and cons.

For the OP - the takeaway may be - you don't need to upgrade your electronics except to get maybe a couple simple systems running.

I would like to hear what "long passages" are for the OP. Then I'd have better understanding of what I'd like to have.

Having a good depth sounder may be recommended - it sort of depends on where the OP is sailing, but likely a very good add-on.

For myself having a reliable autopilot would be my number 1 priority. I don't get complaciente when running it. It frees me up to be better able to be vigilant when needed. I also single hand a lot. It's really hard to single hand without an autopilot. Now here it also depends upon how the OP sails and their preferences. If they always sail with a sailing partner and aren't doing overnight sails then they may not need an autopilot.

The rest of the electronics the OP seems to have covered. Now I say this putting safety equipment in a separate category... I'm sure a discussion on that could be... Hmmm... Explosive.... LOL

dj
 

Johann

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Jun 3, 2004
536
Leopard 39 Pensacola
AIS Sender: Unfortunately, you are lost in the clutter to other rec boats. And the big steel things aren't focused on the rec boats.
I have found the AIS transponder pretty useful. Barges have call me by name to coordinate crossings. I've noticed high speed vessels (ferries and recreational) alter course from several miles away, before a collision hazard was visually noticeable.
 
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Feb 19, 2008
454
Catalina 320 Tawas Bay Yacht Club
Fascinating discussion!

All things are relative. I don’t go “offshore,” although I suppose when I was in the middle of Lake Michigan I was out of communication range for several hours.

Also, when I was crossing Lake Michigan we were boxed in pretty hard by fog for about 8 hours AND crossing the shipping lanes. That’s when I thought AIS would have been super helpful, transmitter sure, but at least a receiver. Radar reflector. Prayer. Should have brought my trumpet.

Will I ever do that again? I hope not! But I didn’t intend to do it last time (although I was warned … looked good in the morning … usually it gets better as the day goes on!)

Anyway - we survived to tell the story.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,548
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
Fascinating discussion!

All things are relative. I don’t go “offshore,” although I suppose when I was in the middle of Lake Michigan I was out of communication range for several hours.

Also, when I was crossing Lake Michigan we were boxed in pretty hard by fog for about 8 hours AND crossing the shipping lanes. That’s when I thought AIS would have been super helpful, transmitter sure, but at least a receiver. Radar reflector. Prayer. Should have brought my trumpet.

Will I ever do that again? I hope not! But I didn’t intend to do it last time (although I was warned … looked good in the morning … usually it gets better as the day goes on!)

Anyway - we survived to tell the story.
I spent several years sailing on Lake Michigan. That can be a feisty lake to sail!

Id suggest you check out the Si-Tex AIS transponder - link below:


I think that unit would be more than enough for what you need. Get it with the C-maps installed. This will give you an excellent AIS transceiver and a chart plotter all in one. I have an earlier version of this unit and can say it is probably the best AIS transponder I've seen. I've been involved in many discussions of AIS transponders and have not experienced any of the limitations I've heard others complain about with other brands. This unit will also give you a chart plotter and while a bit more limited than dedicated chart plotters, it is quite functional. If down the road you decide to put in a network, it can be networked into a future network. I'm sure it's not cheap. But probably nowhere near the expense of putting in a total networked system.

I have no vested interest in this company, only a very satisfied customer. Their customer service is excellent.

Just a suggestion...

dj
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,238
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Should I be thinking about throwing out the old stuff and starting from scratch?
Can you replace one box per year? Or is it better to swallow hard and get the suite?

where do I start?

thanks,
John
Chartplotter, Wind, vhf w/AIS receiver, auto pilot, n2k network. You want the modern wind unit's network connectivity... it allows your chartplotter to give you accurate TRUE wind data.....critical for navigation...and the APPARENT wind data your auto pilot needs for its sail-to wind-function. My B&G Vulcan has an AP controller built in that manages my Simrad Navico Tiller Pilot. It'll work for the wheel pilots too, I'm sure. I would upgrade the Vhf also, to one with built in ais, also n2k connectivity. That's all you need... a transceiver is something you can decide about later, since it might require changing your antennae set up. Anyway, the n2k radio will send the ais targets to the charplotter so all the info will be super easy to read, also the newer generation radios have the mandatory emergency protocols, and other really cool features..

As mentioned, the n2k wind instrument is the only one of your three that needs changing out... the depth and speed log ... save for later... B&G vulcan or Zeus chartplotter with wind instrument is top priority. Autopilot, imho, is a must if you plan to cruise or do any soloing... and a modern vhf/ais/n2k radio will make you happy. I've added other things to my network since first installing 8 years ago, a media player, for instance. But I still haven't bit the bullet regrding radar... some day. If you're like me once you start with a good chartplotter and are astounded by all it can do you'll not want to wait to get all the gear.... Good luck.. have fun.
 
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BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,077
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
Hello All,

This is a great discussion and lots of good points raised and different perspectives.

John6206: Only you can decide what is right for you.

I love the electronic gadgets. My boat has a Raymarine below deck pilot, B&G Zeus 3S plotter, B&G depth and wind, SONAR, Vesper AIS transponder, multiple B&G Triton displays, etc. Whenever I'm sailing the electronics are up and running. If I'm going somewhere I will have created a route and it will be running on the plotter. I'll know the current wind speed and direction, VMG towards the waypoint. bearing, time and distance to waypoint, COG, SOG, STW, etc etc etc. Most likely the autopilot will be steering.

i have all this and use it because I like to.

I frequently sail with a friend on his boat. He has an older but still modern suite of electronics. He doesn't care for electronics and really doesn't use them. He's a great sailor, way better than me - has a great feel for the boat, conditions, sail trim, weather, etc. Another friend, who I often race with, prefers to turn the electronics off, especially at night, as it helps him feel the boat better and he's not distracted by glowing screens.

What works for me doesn't work for him and vice versa.

As far as NEEDS go, there are very few. Heck, I helped my friend deliver his new to him boat from Florida to NY and we basically used my hand held Garmin 86SC.

As mentioned by multiple people, if you plan on sailing in low vis situations with many ships around, having an AIS transponder is a very good thing. I've been in many situations where large ships are hailing smaller boats to coordinate passing conditions. Being able to hail a boat by name is so much easier.

If I were in your situation I would scrap ALL of the electronics on the boat and start over. I would install a basic B&G System: wired wind transducer and display, standard depth sounder and boat speed (with display) , and a plotter (Zeus or Vulcan). If you want AIS transmit I would use the B&G V60B unit. Add an autopilot (Raymarine wheel pilot would be lowest cost, B&G below deck pilot if you can afford it [it will be very expensive]) and you're basically set.

Good luck,
Barry
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,548
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
Hello All,

This is a great discussion and lots of good points raised and different perspectives.

John6206: Only you can decide what is right for you.
Nice!

Perhaps it would be better for you to simply fix the things you need to - you say you have a larger pinch list. Don't do anything with the electronics at this point. Sail the boat for a year or so and then decide what YOU like!

When I bought my current boat I didn't change any electronics for almost two years. Then I decided what I liked, didn't like and removed, added, things I felt I wanted.

You have a lot of sailing experience. Just because you've now gone to a larger boat doesn't change that. Enjoy the boat for enough time to understand what works best for you.

dj
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,691
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I frequently sail with a friend on his boat. He has an older but still modern suite of electronics. He doesn't care for electronics and really doesn't use them. He's a great sailor, way better than me - has a great feel for the boat, conditions, sail trim, weather, etc. Another friend, who I often race with, prefers to turn the electronics off, especially at night, as it helps him feel the boat better and he's not distracted by glowing screens.
I tried to turn off the electronics during a race. My wife was driving, because she's a better downwind driver, and it was not appreciated - to understate it.. Nevertheless I think for the driver to "Get his head out of the cockpit" is very advantageous." I think the instruments are distraction at times. Of course that was racing. Cruising or day sailing are different. But I still think tuning into your surroundings is more fun than messing around with your electronics.
 
May 17, 2004
5,779
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Nevertheless I think for the driver to "Get his head out of the cockpit" is very advantageous." I think the instruments are distraction at times.
I find I use my electronics quite a bit less when racing than when cruising or day sailing. When I’m racing I’m looking at the water for puffs, looking for traffic, and watching sail trim more closely. When I’m cruising or day sailing I watch the electronics for depth, navigation, wind plots for reefing decisions, and AIS for curiosity about passing ships.
 
Apr 25, 2024
693
Fuji 32 Bellingham
Lots of opinions on the subject and, not surprisingly, a lot of differing opinions.

I approach most boating-related questions with the follow-up, "What do you want to get out of it?" That is, you like being a technical sailor and constantly looking at data points, then the answer is very different from a person whose only real goal is to get the anchor down and margaritas up. So frequently, people give advice based on their preferences, goals, and values and not the preferences, goals, and values of the person they are advising.

With electronics, the question really needs to be, "What do you want your technology to do?" You can't possibly give good suggestions until knowing that.

So, I'll ask. @john6206, what do you want that your current equipment doesn't satisfy?

If you don't have a DSC VHF, then yes, you should probably do that upgrade. It is cheap and it could save your life. Not a magic amulet, but pretty good bang-for-buck in terms of safety and convenience.

Before thinking about a chartplotter or AIS (for example) assess whether or not EPIRBs are something you would value. Since budget is not unlimited, that is another area that could deliver a lot of value. (Of course, you need to assess whether or not this is valuable to you. Your sailing style might make EPIRBs a nice-to-have-but-almost-certainly-an-expensive-paperweight expenditure.)

To go down your list:
  • Chartplotter: We have a chartplotter and, yes we use it. But, I think it is silly that the chartplotter has become required equipment in many people's minds - especially when phones and tablets (which people already have) are more than up to the task. Sure ... integration and all that. And, if that is important to you, then that is important to you. But, answering the questions of, "Where am I?" and "What should my heading be?" and "How far is ___?" - these do not require an expensive chartplotter. (I have an older Garmin chartplotter in the cockpit and I still pull Navionics out of my pocket whenever I want to actually do some actual planning.)
  • AIS: If you sail in conditions with limited visibility and/or offshore, then this could be a good investment. Or, if the benefit of being connected/trackable is important to you, then this might be worth it. But, I would just ask yourself exactly what you might need AIS for. I see a lot of recreational boats installing AIS with no clear use case. Sure, it provides some safety, even without a clear use case, but safety against what ... exactly? I have asked people about this and they say they like the fact that ferries and cargo ships can see them. But, my follow-up is, "How often does one of these vessels strike a recreational vessel, around here?" (The answer is, so rarely as to be almost never.) There are good uses for AIS, but I would be introspective about what benefit AIS would have for you.
  • Wind: Again ... depends on what you want to get out of it. Knowing the wind direction doesn't require any instrument. A wind vane is handy. Knowing the wind speed number is, in my view, nearly useless unless you are a highly technical sailor. I do like to see TWS vs AWS, but only just to satisfy mild curiosity. If I want to understand the wind speed and direction, I stand in the cockpit, look at the water and look up at the sails and wind vane. That is not me being "old school". It is simply that the numbers, though interesting, don't tell me anything additional that would change my decisions. (The one exception to this is if we are motoring in light winds and I am wondering if we have enough wind to shut the motor off and sail.)
  • Autopilot: This is another one of those items that seems to have become standard must-have equipment, but which almost no one had until pretty recently. We sailed our first boat with tiller steering, a VHF, a wind vane, and a compass. Two of us sailed hundreds of miles, routinely, often 8-12 hour days. To be sure, 12 hours at the tiller, even with two people, is a long day. But, not exactly punishing. If you always have two people on board, autopilot is just a luxury - albeit a pretty nice luxury. Someone always needs to be on watch anyway. And, the boat should be reasonably trimmed so that helm input is pretty minimal for longer stretches. That said, we always have at least two people on board and I use our autopilot all the time when motoring - not as frequently under sail. Our boat came with AP and I love having it, but it has never been something I was likely spend money on.
In short, you have several projects and a finite budget. Don't be seduced by electronics. Spend money where that money brings you value in terms of enjoyment and/or safety. Nothing else matters.

As for the question of an upgrade strategy - like is it possible to upgrade one box at a time without unfortunate compromises - yes, it is possible and not particularly difficult. The easiest way is to try to stay within a single manufacturer's ecosystem. That is no guarantee that you will have a clear upgrade/expansion path in the future, but without really going into the weeds on technical specifics, that is the safest strategy.

But, again, ask yourself if that is even important to you. If you don't really care about a fully integrated system, then simply get those instruments that best suit their designated purpose and your budget, for the task at hand. NMEA 2K makes integration pretty straightforward and relatively future-proofed, even across manufacturers. I would tend to avoid SeaTalk NG, as this is proprietary. Conversion is possible, though.

In my experience, radar data (such as piping a radar overlay to a chartplotter) is the one sticking point if the radar and chartplotter of from different manufacturers and/or decades.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,320
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
Hi John! It's easy to get over-enthusiastic about new electronics until the price tags start to become apparent! I'm in the same camp as @marcham , @BarryL , & @Davidasailor26 and would encourage you to strive for a fully-integrated network. But, only you can decide for yourself, the actual priority. Like myself, you appear to be finding a whole host of issues with a boat that is in that 20 to 30 year age range that you want to address. I'm right there with you with these experiences and I'm still addressing issues even after owning the boat for 6 seasons now. Since we have the same boat, I'll try to talk about some specifics. Also note that I am not shy at all about making modifications to my boat where I want to change manufacturers' installations that I don't particularly like. There are pros and cons to this attitude that I have.

Autopilot: you didn't mention anything about what you may or may not have (maybe I missed it from previous posts). You should have an autopilot and I would make that a high priority. Below decks are very expensive and our structure below the deck will not accommodate a new installation without significant structural work around the rudder post underneath. Practically speaking, you are limited to a wheel pilot. The CPT was recommended as a good stand-alone unit at reasonable cost. The current Raymarine wheelpilot is also reasonably priced (but not as low as CPT) and is the only wheelpilot that you can buy that can be networked with ANY NMEA 2000 network. More importantly, you can install it initially as a stand-alone wheelpilot and include it in your network (just plug it in - no complications later) after you decide what you want for an electronics package later. You can choose any chartplotter later - Garmin, B&G, Raymarine - it doesn't matter. They are all NMEA 2000.

I would absolutely choose a Raymarine wheelpilot over the CPT. The CPT may even function a bit more robustly, but I think they look too clunky and I would not want a wheel pilot that can't be networked. Obviously, that is a personal choice, but that would be my 1st priority for electronics if I were in your shoes.

VHF fixed-mount radio: I have all B&G products and I would recommend the V60 with AIS reciever (or similar model from other maker). This can also be initially installed as a stand-alone unit. It doesn't have internal GPS but in my opinion, the VHF doesn't need internal GPS when it gets GPS from a networked source. However, the alarm that periodically beeps when a GPS source is not connected can be annoying (and I'm not sure if the alarm can be disabled). The alarm goes off at intervals and can be interrupted by pressing any button on the radio.

You won't have AIS or GPS functioning until you are networked. You can install an external GPS antennae to make the radio fully functional. The external GPS antennae can be purchased separately or it will be included in a Triton instrument package that I will discuss later.

With any radio you buy, you will need to determine where the disconnection may be for the masthead antennae. You should look under the compression post (remove the floor board) and trace the antennae cable from inside the boat to the radio. Most likely, the fault may lie within your mast. I'm guessing that you may have a few reasons to take the mast down this winter. Try to get all issues related to the mast organized if you are taking the mast down.

Instruments - Depth, Wind, Speed: B&G, via Defender Marine, sells various Triton instrument packages to get you set up fully for these displays. I recommend the 2-display package. It comes with the external GPS antennae mentioned above. I did not resolve the issue I had with the transducer cable the only time that I took my mast down, so I bought the wireless wind transducer option. It wasn't without complications. I had a dead battery after the 1st season that had to be replaced (very simple but it's replaced in the transducer at the top of the mast) and then I also had a bad transducer that had to be replaced under warranty. I've had 2 seasons trouble-free now. The wireless option requires that a Bluetooth antennae (included in the package) be mounted on the boat to receive the signal. I mounted both the GPS antennae and the Bluetooth antennae on the bimini frame just above the helm station. The network cables from both antennae follow the frame to a thru-deck passage below to link into the network.

These multi-function instruments are far superior over the old types that have specialized displays. On my boat, the original 3 displays were mounted in a NAVPOD instrument panel on the wheel pedestal with a Garmin GPS. This didn't work for me because the instruments weren't visible except from directly behind the wheel, where I try not to spend all my time. Our boat doesn't accommodate instrument displays forward in the cockpit where they can be visible to helmsman and crew. So, I made my own bridge over the leading edge of the companionway as shown below.

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I had to run 2 cables thru the deck above the galley. I made trim to hide the cables on the inside. It wasn't an easy installation and hiding the cables was not the cleanest, but I love the location of these 2 displays. With 16 different pages (8 pages per display that can be displayed in any order that you like) displayed on these 2 instruments combined, the information that can be displayed is virtually limitless.

Chartplotter: You can get a B&G Vulcan chartplotter for about half the price of a B&G Zeus chartplotter and I've had a 7" Vulcan on my previous boat and found it to be an excellent model. However, I wanted the extra functionality that the Zeus provides for my current boat. I bought a 12" screen because I thought I was getting a great deal for it. It had a manufacturing defect and I had to upgrade to the latest model by paying extra to receive a replacement, which I did with great satisfaction so far. However, if I knew I was ultimately going to pay full price, I would have bought a 9" model. For our boat, I think the 12" screen is overkill and the 7" screen would be too small. I think the 9" screen would be a suitable size for our boats. You will want to really scrutinize the screen size because it will affect your mounting options and there is a significant price differential between the screen sizes. Below is the Navpod for a 12" Zeus model that also has room for another Triton display and the autopilot display. My brother is 6' tall behind the helm in this photo so you can see how much the Navpod obstructs visibility forward. I also replaced the pedestal guard so it won't look exactly like yours. The upside down Navpod under the chartplotter is exclusively for engine controls because i was dissatisfied with the original control panel underneath the wheel.

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BTW, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Vulcan model at far less cost if you can live with touch screen alone. That's basically the only difference between Zeus & Vulcan. There are some screen refreshing speed differences and maybe some screen visibility differences that I couldn't notice.

AIS Transponder: I don't have one so I don't have much to add. However, it has been posted that it is better to have a separate transponder with dedicated antennae rather than a VHF with receiver and transponder, sharing the antennae with the VHF. Transmitting AIS with a shared VHF antennae could be a recipe for damaging the VHF. For that reason, I will add the transponder with a separate antennae at a later time, if I ever do.

Radar: I don't have one. This would be my last priority if I ever felt like it would be useful to me.

I pretty-much listed these items in order of my priority of needs if I were in your shoes. Obviously, your priorities could differ.

One thing I didn't mention is forward-looking sonar. If I was thinking about cruising in the upper Great Lakes where underwater rock outcroppings are common, I would definitely include this in my instrument package. My other thought is that B&G / Defender includes C-Map for the included chart mapping. I like it very much and have not considered purchasing Navionics for my chartplotter as I previously thought that I would. Navionics is expensive and I think unnecessary for my applications. I do have Navionics subscription on my phone. I'm not sure why you can get a Navionics subscription for phone and tablet applicatiion at far less cost than the chart plotter application (purchasing the chip). Maybe I'm misunderstanding something ... :huh:
 
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Jun 9, 2008
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Oh my. Lots of opinions above. Some even answered your initial question. Simply put, if you want to buy new electronics, then I have had a lot of success and recommend Garmin products. I find them super intuitive where you don't have to pour through a manual to figure out how to use it and you can get all the information you want in one screen display (depth, speed, charts, radar, wind, etc.). There are various sizes of screens from which to select. It's a matter of space and money. You don't have to get all of their products at once, but you do have to get the right read out display to accommodate all the functions you wish to enjoy as you build so you don't waste money. And, if you get all of what I mentioned above, there is a box where you can plug in all of the cables needed that feed to the readout. So, you just need to buy the right components so you don't waste money on the wrong stuff. That sounds complicated, but it really isn't. And, the best part, is everything is plug and play. The cables and sockets are super easy to connect and communication between the various functions is seamless. I have just installed Garmin on one of my boats to include chart plotter, radar and depth sounder. The chart plotter gives you speed, navigation functions and a host of other information. You have to have a compatible depth transducer, of course. Any brand or even Garmin model won't work. And, if you want two displays, you just get a network cable to go between the two, but that gets expensive. I find radar a valuable piece of equipment if you are sailing off shore for passage making or night sailing. You can see weather, look through fog and misty rain that you can't see with your bare eyes. But, otherwise, radar is the last on my list.
I have used RayMarine in the past and had to pour through the book to figure out the functions. And, had to keep plugging in different charts going any distance. In fairness to them, that was a while back and maybe they have improved. But, I've been using Garmin products for a good 35 years now and can't say enough good about their products.
 
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Jan 7, 2011
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Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
When I bought Tally Ho, most of her system ps worked, but they were not networked.
She came with:
a Garmin GPSMaps 740 Chart plotter with N2K and 0183 networks but nothing was networked.
A tactic wireless wind instrument and control head. it wasn’t networked with anything.
A VHF radio - Basic with no other functions and no RAM at the helm.
A Raymarine Wheel Pilot auto pilot - not networked to any thing.
A very old depth/ speed log. No networking capability.
She was somewhat functional, but just barely !

When the radio crapped out, the first thing I purchased was a DSC-equipped radio, with N2K networking capability. It has AIS receiving capability, but it didn’t have a built in GPS. So, I created a small N2K network between my chart plotter and the new VHF. All of a sudden, I could see other ships in the area on my chart plotter, and my VHV coukd send out my in an emergency since it was getting them from the CP.

Later, I was determined to figure out how to get my wind info onto the network. A helpful hand from someone on this forum led me to a Raymarine wireless interface, which could read my wireless wind data and put it on my network. All of a sudden I could use the “wind screen” on my chart plotter to see true and apparent wind, on a nice, big screen. Oh, and now the AP could steer to a wind angle because the wind info was available on the network.

My point to the OP is you have some basic stuff already. If you want to start over and spend the money, jump in and replace it all. But I didn’t want to spend thousands of dollars. I sailed Tally Ho and learned what worked and what didn’t. I upgraded things when I had to, or when I found a good deal on something…like when I found a new “old stock“ a Raymarine 6002+ autopilot, with rudder sensor on an eBay auction. But I have done it piece by piece and haven’t spent a ton of money doing it.

Greg
 
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Feb 26, 2004
23,110
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I completely disagree with this.

Autopilot: This is another one of those items that seems to have become standard must-have equipment, but which almost no one had until pretty recently.
I bought my 1981 Catalina 25 in 1987 and learned to use John Letcher's mainsheet to tiller system soon after. In a year or two I bought a Navico AP. I have had APs on that and our C34 and would not be without one.

On our trip north from SF to BC in 2016, our AP died coming out of Newport, OR. The rest of that trip was challenging for the two of us, and steering all day under power for 10 - 13 hours was a PITA.

Get an AP and free up your life on the water. If you can see around you and/or are familiar with where you sail, all the rest of the electronics are actually unnecessary. An AP is not one of them.

I also personally see no need for networking, since APs should require confirmation for course changes anyway.
 
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Feb 19, 2008
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Thanks for the advice everyone, I feel like I need a spreadsheet!
I think I need to schedule a night to sit down with my wife and crunch numbers.

Oddly, she seems more willing to spend big than I am.

So … my thinking so far (and I have plenty more learning to do):

I think priority 1 is to update my VHF. The guys in the marinas told me it was pretty hard to hear me on the fixed or the handheld. Fixed VHF is 30 years old and handheld probably 20. Don't think either was top shelf in it’s day.

Since they are going to have to take the mast down (won’t they???) to install the VHF, we should have the rigging inspected and check the other systems that are not getting data, I suspect corrosion - no idea when the mast was last lowered.

The rest of the electronics I see kind of as fun toys and luxury items. On a 50 mile leg of a cruise it would be nice to have an autopilot, less so for day sailing. I’m relatively content with Navionics on my iPad, but a dedicated chart plotter would be super nice, etc.
 
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I think priority 1 is to update my VHF. The guys in the marinas told me it was pretty hard to hear me on the fixed or the handheld. Fixed VHF is 30 years old and handheld probably 20. Don't think either was top shelf in it’s day.

Since they are going to have to take the mast down (won’t they???) to install the VHF, we should have the rigging inspected and check the other systems that are not getting data, I suspect corrosion - no idea when the mast was last lowered.

The rest of the electronics I see kind of as fun toys and luxury items. On a 50 mile leg of a cruise it would be nice to have an autopilot, less so for day sailing. I’m relatively content with Navionics on my iPad, but a dedicated chart plotter would be super nice, etc.
A working VHF is important, so your plan makes sense. You don’t necessarily need to drop the mast to install a new antenna and wire. But if you do, excellent idea to have the rigging inspected. Even if you don’t drop the mast, a rigger can inspect the rigging. If your boat has always been in fresh water, you can probably get more life out of your rigging than a salt water boat.

Don’t under value a working AP. Unless your spouse is willing to spell you at the helm, you will be “stuck” there for the duration of your sail. I sail single-handed most of the time (and my wife hasn’t taken the helm once in 15 years). I use my AP often even on day sails.

Greg