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  1. Don Guillette

    Don Guillette

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,883 posts, 52 likes
    Other Catalina 30
    US Tucson, AZ
    I saw this topic on one of the other forums and while it's not exactly a topic for the sail trim forum, it caught my attention.

    What do you guys think of them?? I installed a home made set on my Catalina 30, that was designed by a friend of mine named Skip Meisch. His design allowed the jacks to be folded up against the boom when not in use. I liked that aspect because I don't like stuff (topping lift, lazy jacks) flopping around -- it upsets my karma!! I really liked them while sailing single handed, which I was 95% of the time. A couple of times I really had to drop the sail quickly and it was a big improvement -- normally I would have had the mainsail all over the deck!!
     


  2. Justin_NSA

    Justin_NSA

    Joined Jul 7, 2004
    4,451 posts, 646 likes
    Hunter 30T
    US Cheney, KS
    Sounds like the Sail Cradle system at Sail Care. It folds up at the mast so you don't have to modify your sail cover. I like my Dutchman system but it requires sail and cover mods. Doesn't have the hangups of a lazyjack system though.
     


  3. Benny17441

    Benny17441

    Joined May 24, 2004
    5,318 posts, 293 likes
    CC 30
    US South Florida
    I currently have lazy jacks because the boat came with them and the large roach mainsail on the h320 would be a bear to handle by myself but I still hate them. For many years sailed without them and had the mainsail all over the cockpit perhaps 2-3 times during that time. It was hardly a frequency to prompt me to install them.
     


  4. Tally Ho

    Tally Ho

    Joined Jan 7, 2011
    935 posts, 113 likes
    Oday 322
    US East Chicago, IN
    I had them on my first boat (Hunter 280), and I added a Mack Pack with integral lazy jacks to my current boat (O'Day 322). I did not find the jacks to be overly troublesome , and they made dropping the sail when solo a whole lot easier.

    Unless I had a furling main, I would use lazy jacks.

    Greg
     


  5. Capt jgw

    Capt jgw

    Joined Feb 8, 2014
    981 posts, 52 likes
    Columbia 36
    US Muskegon
    I have a home-made lazy jacks and lazy bag (like a Stack Pack) on my Columbia 36. Battens occasionally hang up going up, but the sail always comes down smoothly and under control. I love it.
     


  6. Banooma

    Banooma

    Joined Nov 30, 2007
    212 posts, 4 likes
    Catalina 28 mkII
    US Harvey Cedars, NJ
    I've converted from the stock dutchman system to the North Sails version of a stack pack when I replaced my sail, and couldn't be happier. I appreciate the clean lines vibe, but the simplicity and efficiency
    of this design wins for me. The sails flake and are covered much easier than with the Dutchman or lazyjacks alone. In windier conditions, I can lower the main stress free, and zip up later. There's also less risk of the sail getting stuck than with a furling main system, in my estimation.
     


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  7. SG

    SG

    Joined Feb 11, 2017
    886 posts, 134 likes
    J/Boat J/160
    US Annapolis
    Harken makes a nice "kit". You might just buy it, or attempt to copy it.
    We had one on our Sabre 42 for eleven years. It worked well. Our current boat has a much larger main, and we use a Dutchman system (it works very well, too).

    As for whether you need it, that depends more on you and who you sail with. When we were first sailing, the main on a Santana 21' sailboat seemed like a lot. If you don't have full battens on the lower two battens, then I'm not sure it's that helpful. Then you have the issue of the twisting of the battens (i.e., then you'll need batt cars), etc., etc.
     


  8. Capt jgw

    Capt jgw

    Joined Feb 8, 2014
    981 posts, 52 likes
    Columbia 36
    US Muskegon
    If you want to make a Stack Pack, Sailrite has a kit and their instruction video is on YouTube. Easy build if you sew.
     


  9. SG

    SG

    Joined Feb 11, 2017
    886 posts, 134 likes
    J/Boat J/160
    US Annapolis
    JBW,

    Do you have one without full battens?
     


  10. Gunni

    Gunni

    Joined Mar 16, 2010
    4,913 posts, 860 likes
    Beneteau 411 Oceanis
    US Annapolis
    I have had them all. Lazy Jacks homemade and the Harken kit, Doyle stack pack, and a couple versions of the Neil Pryde Lazy Bag. Love the bag enhancement to the lazy jack concept and with a TidesMarine StrongTrack and full battens I can single hand drop my sail faster than a roller furler can. Moved the jack hang point up to the top spreaders and outboard - that opened the 'throat' and eliminated the need to stow them out of the way. Stay tensioned all the time unless I am on a long tack and want to dress things up.
     


    Last edited: Jun 10, 2017
  11. Roadking Larry

    Roadking Larry

    Joined Mar 30, 2013
    593 posts, 96 likes
    Allied Seawind MK II 32'
    US Oologah Lake, Oklahoma
    The TidesMarine track is great. I love it and if I ever buy another boat it will be installed ASAP.
    The Sailcare sail cradle system works, mostly but it is a PITA to use. My Cal came with a kit that I installed before I had the mast stepped and I never cared for it. I modified it into a lazy jack rig after the first season.
     


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  12. PAC3142

    PAC3142

    Joined Dec 18, 2012
    123 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37.5
    US Annapolis
    Good topic! I was going to ask about this. I have a Dutchman system that works well enough most of the time. The problem is that the sail hangs lower than the boom when folded, limiting the height of the bimini we plan to get (which is important when you are 6'5" tall). I've been thinking about getting a stack pack or equivalent because it seems that the sail flakes above the boom. Is that the case? Any downside to the stack pack and lazy jacks?
     


  13. SG

    SG

    Joined Feb 11, 2017
    886 posts, 134 likes
    J/Boat J/160
    US Annapolis
    I think so because RI tend to make the foot of the sail to tough to take advantage of.

    If you let the boom ride up with a topping lift or hard bang, you should keep it off the Bimini?
     


  14. PAC3142

    PAC3142

    Joined Dec 18, 2012
    123 posts, 7 likes
    Hunter 37.5
    US Annapolis
    SG, It would be awkward because I want a high dodger also because of the high and long companionway bridge deck on my boat. The boom would have to be angled up at an unreasonable angle, and aesthetics are important, even on an old Hunter.
    I get your comment on the lower main, but I assume I can still fly it loose footed to control draft.
     


  15. Dave Groshong

    Dave Groshong SBO Staff Staff Member

    Joined Jan 25, 2007
    1,243 posts, 63 likes
    Catalina 22
    US Seattle
    I love the Dutchman system, dislike lazyjacks. On a heavier boat with a full batten mainsail, the Tides system is super nice.
     


  16. SG

    SG

    Joined Feb 11, 2017
    886 posts, 134 likes
    J/Boat J/160
    US Annapolis
    In light air, the boats that I've sailed with a stack pack (which was what I was referring to) seem to have their ability to create an effective shape for the roach reduced.

    We had a Dutchman system with a loose footed main, we like it a lot -- but we have well over a 900 SF main. On our Sabre 42 (a while ago), we had a simple Harken lazy jack system, full battens, and batt cars. We didn't have a loose footed main, it seemed to work fine.

    I'm not sure how much higher you want the dodger? I know the issue is "ducking" under dodgers on some vessels.
     



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