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Deep Keels Mean Deep Trouble

Discussion in 'Cruising Sailors' started by Muttondressedaslamb, Oct 3, 2017. Add this thread to a FAQ

  1. genec

    genec

    Joined Dec 30, 2010
    188 posts, 57 likes
    Pacific Seacraft Orion27
    US HP: San Diego, M: Anacortes
    I recall racing a J-105 (6+foot keel) in San Diego harbor and taking it damn close to some day marks and around some ammo docs out near the edge of Coronado. More than once I held my breath as the skipper took the boat beyond what I thought was safe. We might have barely scraped bottom a bit, but sure never managed to take off a keel. That skipper knew his "sailing environment," and I was proud to crew with him. :biggrin:
     


  2. BlowMeAway

    BlowMeAway

    Joined Nov 30, 2015
    1,133 posts, 620 likes
    Hunter 1978 H30 Cherubini
    US Cayuga Lake, Ithaca
    :hijack: What has happened to the OP titled thread? Deep Keels, Deep Trouble? Lots of unrelated sidebars here...but I'm curious about perception of fin keeled vessels relative to that of shoal and swing keeled vessels. Isn't it simply a matter of anticipated usage and choosing proper boat design for the waters you expect to sail on? I don't really see an argument develop here, but I do see a potential paranoiac rant without supporting evidence that deep trouble is associated with deep keels.

    As a refresher here's a good description of paranoia:

    Paranoid thoughts are to do with your ideas about other people and what they might do. It can be difficult to work out whether a suspicious thought is paranoid or not. People might disagree on what is a paranoid thought. Someone else (a friend, family member or doctor) might say your thoughts are paranoid when you don't think they are.

    People may think about risks in different ways and believe different things are good or bad evidence for suspicious thoughts. People might also believe different things based on the same evidence.

    Ultimately you have to decide for yourself.

    Suspicious thoughts are more likely to be paranoid if:
    • no one else shares the suspicious thought
    • there's no definite evidence for the suspicious thought
    • there is evidence against the suspicious thought
    • it's unlikely you would be singled out
    • you still have the suspicious thought despite reassurance from others
    • your suspicions are based on feelings and ambiguous events
    Fin keels work great in appropriately depthed bodies of water. A storm event is an accident, and not a cause for selecting less stable boating in deeper water. Navigation skills and a good depth sounder are really all that's needed to keep a deep keel trouble free...and yes I have a deep keel boat.
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  3. justsomeguy

    justsomeguy

    Joined Feb 20, 2011
    6,979 posts, 1,233 likes
    Island Packet 35
    US Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
    Ayup.
     


  4. DougM

    DougM

    Joined Jul 24, 2005
    1,681 posts, 219 likes
    Beneteau 323
    US Manistee, MI
    The only boat I have seen with a snapped off keel was a Beneteau 36.7 that got stuck on sand in a shoaled up channel that showed a 9 foot chart depth. The story on that was the tow boat operator attempted to pull the boat off sideways and the keel resisted. The skipper of the sailboat was not a local and did not know about. the shoaling. Most of the local sailors were aware and it was posted in the notice to mariners.
     


  5. Love and Luck

    Love and Luck

    Joined Sep 25, 2016
    88 posts, 41 likes
    Oday 22
    US Lake Arthur
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    Asking for trouble. Moreso after you read note D
     


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  6. Todd D

    Todd D

    Joined Jul 4, 2012
    26 posts, 18 likes
    Allied Princess
    US Southwest Harbor
    The attachment point of the keel may look small, but unless the boat was really cheaply built there is a substantial grid inside the hull that the keel is bolted to. The grid serves to spread the keel load over a quite large area of the hull.
     


  7. GregL564

    GregL564

    Joined Apr 4, 2013
    104 posts, 14 likes
    O'day 240
    US NY, NY (City Island)
    Does anyone have any specific details about what brand and model boat that is?
     


  8. JamesG161

    JamesG161

    Joined Feb 14, 2014
    3,766 posts, 1,422 likes
    Hunter 430
    US Waveland, MS
    After reading this thread I suddenly realized how this sailing term formed.

    "Shiver me Timbers"

    Also remembering Forrest Gump's words...

    "Stupid is as Stupid Does!"

    Jim...

    PS::cowbell:
     


  9. Johnb

    Johnb

    Joined Jan 22, 2008
    1,100 posts, 108 likes
    Hunter 37-cutter
    US Richmond CA

    Yeah, but just cos' you're paranoid does not mean they are'nt out to get you.
     


  10. BlowMeAway

    BlowMeAway

    Joined Nov 30, 2015
    1,133 posts, 620 likes
    Hunter 1978 H30 Cherubini
    US Cayuga Lake, Ithaca
    Wow, navigable, but tight. Not any place I would want to settle in for a storm. Thanks for sharing @Love and Luck.
     


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  11. Muttondressedaslamb

    Muttondressedaslamb

    Joined Nov 24, 2014
    70 posts, 15 likes
    Catalina 310
    US Staten Island
    I believe it is one of the Beneteau "first" series from the early 1980s
     


  12. GregL564

    GregL564

    Joined Apr 4, 2013
    104 posts, 14 likes
    O'day 240
    US NY, NY (City Island)
    Possible, but that gray hull and short keel stub looks to me like it's an O'day 302 or 322.
     


  13. Love and Luck

    Love and Luck

    Joined Sep 25, 2016
    88 posts, 41 likes
    Oday 22
    US Lake Arthur
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    agreed
     


  14. Jackdaw

    Jackdaw

    Joined Nov 8, 2010
    10,456 posts, 3,452 likes
    Beneteau First 36.7 & 260
    US Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
    Its an Oday.
     


  15. Davidasailor26

    Davidasailor26

    Joined May 17, 2004
    1,789 posts, 476 likes
    Beneteau Oceanis 37 LE
    US Havre de Grace
    I agree it looks like one. Assuming it is it’s not the first case of a 302 or 322 losing its keel. This is consistent with reports of the keel sump layup being thinner than spec’d on some production runs. Also if that is the model then it’s not really an inherent problem with “deep keels” as the title would suggest; More an issue with low manufacturing quality control as a company is headed toward bankruptcy.
     


  16. Tally Ho

    Tally Ho

    Joined Jan 7, 2011
    1,405 posts, 309 likes
    Oday 322
    US East Chicago, IN
    It certainly looks like an O302 or O322.
    If the Hydrokeel was stuck in the mud, that is a lot of surface area
    of force on the keel when they tried to pull it out. And that keel joint is a weak point on the boat.


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    Greg
     


  17. Muttondressedaslamb

    Muttondressedaslamb

    Joined Nov 24, 2014
    70 posts, 15 likes
    Catalina 310
    US Staten Island
    Maybe that point of land at the entrance to Great Kills Harbor was named Crookes Point after all the skippers who were robbed of their vessels after bottoming out:deadhorse:
     


  18. Parsons

    Parsons

    Joined Jul 12, 2011
    776 posts, 340 likes
    Catalina 36
    US Bay City, MI


  19. Love and Luck

    Love and Luck

    Joined Sep 25, 2016
    88 posts, 41 likes
    Oday 22
    US Lake Arthur
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    Don't spoil our fun!
     


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  20. Tally Ho

    Tally Ho

    Joined Jan 7, 2011
    1,405 posts, 309 likes
    Oday 322
    US East Chicago, IN
    Mine draws 4 1/2 feet. So yes, not really a deep draft.

    Greg
     




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